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PAP in Town Council Scandal

kingrant

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Little wonder the PAP always think that the Opp is out to frustrate their efforts because their own little small minds are cast in that way in the first place. Talk about being gracious in victory! How will PAP Ministers and MPs ever able to become ambassadors of grace, honour, kindness, and courtesy when they resort to such low-life shenanigans? How dare they preach same values to us? Ptui! (sideways).


PS. kukubird - pls report back to yr masters.
 
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kingrant

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This type of software probably chum change - the type one can develop with an Excel spreadsheet. More importantly, were records destroyed? Becos if they were, then it is criminal. And were there arrears before handingover? If there were and these were destroyed or removed , it is also criminal. Did PAP TC settle all debts? Or removed evidence?
 

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Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

SINGAPORE: A disagreement between Aljunied-Hougang Town Council (AHTC) and a company that used to provide its computer and financial systems continues.

In a letter to the media, Action Information Management Pte Ltd (AIM) said AHTC Chairman Sylvia Lim's allegation that a service extension with AIM had to be "fought for" was inaccurate.

AIM said two service extensions were granted - in August and September 2011 - before the contract lapsed.

AIM also said it would have agreed to a further extension if the AHTC had asked for it.

As AHTC did not do so, the contract was allowed to lapse.

AIM Chairman S Chandra Das said the company's current directors, three former People's Action Party (PAP) MPs, namely himself, Chew Heng Ching, and Lau Ping Sum do not receive directors' fees or any other benefits.

In a separate letter, PAP Town Councils said its Town Councils Management System (TCMS) was sold to AIM through an open tender, and their contract was in accordance with the Town Councils' Financial Regulations.

Ms Lim had earlier asked why PAP Town Councils (TCs) had transferred ownership of its computer software to a third party, and questioned the AIM's contract with the PAP TCs.

Coordinating Chairman of 14 PAP TCs Dr Teo Ho Pin said the TCMS owned and used by them was developed by National Computer Services Pte Ltd.

In 2010, PAP TCs called an open tender to sell the ownership of the developed application software.

Dr Teo said although five companies collected the tender agreement, the sole bid was submitted by AIM, a company fully owned by the PAP.

AIM offered to buy the software for S$140,000 and manage the system for a monthly fee of S$785 per TC, for an initial term ending 31 October 2011.

Dr Teo said after the 2011 general election, AIM decided to end the contract with AHTC.

AIM only owns the rights to the software, so all computer hardware belong to the respective TCs and these remained with AHTC when its contract with AIM ended.

Dr Teo also said the handover by AIM to AHTC took place from 27 May to 9 September, and during the transition, AIM had promptly handed over all data and information to AHTC in accordance with the TC's preferred format.

- CNA/xq
 

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On mis-Aiming and Low Blows

On mis-Aiming and Low Blows
by Wah June Hwang on Monday, 24 December 2012 at 01:59 ·


I'd like to share some of my thoughts on the recent discussions on the sale of accounting software developed by PAP Town Councils to a private company (AIM), and subsequent claims that this caused Aljunid-Hougang Town Council to be unable to submit its financial reports for audit.

What This Is Not

First things first. This is hardly an elaborate PAP scheme to screw up the Opposition. The software was sold to AIM well before GE 11, when PAP lost Aljunid GRC to WP. They could not have anticipated the loss of a GRC to the Opposition. If they were so prescient, they would have moved some of the key people out of Aljunid GRC first!

Another was claim that the company the software was sold to was a dormant $2 company, and the allusion that therefore the deal was somehow shady. This is indeed a sneaky low blow. Anyone who has done business will know that to set up a company, one can go to an accounting firm. The accounting firm has already created a number of $2 companies that can be readily transferred to the entreprenuer, with default corporate structures. This method is fast and efficient. It also explains why the company was dormant when the sale of software was made. A quick check with ACRA will show that the company is not dormant since (having filed its accounts in Dec 11) and had its last AGM on 25 May 12.

Why Sell Software?

Let's come back to the sale/lease-back of Town Council software to AIM from the Town Councils. Why do something like that? Actually, this is a common mechanism in commercial sector. The most obvious reason is for the Town Councils to recover cash tied up in the development of the software. The second, is to separate usage of the software from its original ownership. As such, other PAP constituencies which did not contribute to the original development can also benefit from the software, by paying a licensing fee. Also, if a better software came around, the Town Councils can migrate to the new system.

Contract Clauses

Ms Sylvia Lim pointed to one particular clause in the lease-back contract and asked, "How is it in the public interest to have such a thing?" A contract is a collection of many clauses. I do not know for a fact, but I'd bet there is a recipocral clause in it that allowed the Town Council to terminate as well. Might as well point in isolation to the clause that says the Town Council must pay a fee to the contractor and ask "How is it in public interest to have such a thing?"

If No AIM Contract, Will Everything Be Fine?

Even if the software was not licensed to AIM, has it ever occurred to anyone that the new Aljunid-Hougang Town Council could not still not have continued using the system? Yes, since Hougang SMC has not paid for the development of the software, how is it equitable for it use the system? In this instance, the new Aljunid GRC has benefited from the transfer (at least it got its money back), although I do not think it was the intention of the former Aljunid Town Council.

A Smokescreen?

AHTC's contract with AIM was extended from Aug and Sep. AHTC did not ask for a further extension of the contract because they did not think AIM would agree. It would not cost WP anything to pick up the phone or to send an email to AIM to check, but they did not do so. If the software were so important to the running of the Town Council, how, in Ms Lim's own words, is it in public interest to do such a thing? Or perhaps, they never had the intention to continue using the thing, and this issue only came up as an excuse after the bad Town Council report (which incidentally also included lowest banding for management of arrears and conservancy charges)?

The Main Point

Let us not lose sight of the main issue. It has been 20 months since WP won Aljunid in GE May 11, and a whole 16 months since termination of the lease of AIM contract. Perhaps the AIM system has many bells and whistles, but once AHTC has accepted that it cannot continue using AIM's system in Aug 11, should it not take the effort to put at least a working accounting system in place? To claim this as the cause of their not able to produce accounts for audit in 2012 is disingenious at best. We are talking about an accounting system, not building a nuclear bomb! Surely Hougang SMC had a working system that can be adapted?
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

Only an idiot would trust the words of Chandra Das, both a snake and a lackey of the PAP establishment.
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

Only an idiot would trust the words of Chandra Das, both a snake and a lackey of the PAP establishment.

This chap was investigated by the CPIB in the 90s. Managed to 'escape'. GCT was behind him. Was he corrupt? 100%! Let me expose him ok? He used to get nightclub bills when he wasn't entertaining to make claims. My info 100% accurate.
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

... In a letter to the media, Action Information Management Pte Ltd (AIM) said AHTC Chairman Sylvia Lim's allegation that a service extension with AIM had to be "fought for" was inaccurate.

AIM said two service extensions were granted - in August and September 2011 - before the contract lapsed.

AIM also said it would have agreed to a further extension if the AHTC had asked for it ...
wat kind of doing biz is tis? ... ur clients haf 2 beg u 4 xtension? ... ur biz so goot can hang up n sel, ah? ... u shud juz close ur f**kin shop! ...
 
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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

only in asians societies we have this kind of narrow mindedness playing partisan interests in a non political organisation.

PAP party politics as infiltrated to so many non political organisation which will take generations to purge.

if this were to happen in free press angmo countries, people like him will be exposed until resign.
 
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tioliaohuat

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

This chap was investigated by the CPIB in the 90s. Managed to 'escape'. GCT was behind him. Was he corrupt? 100%! Let me expose him ok? He used to get nightclub bills when he wasn't entertaining to make claims. My info 100% accurate.

okok, please tell us more...
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

town councils developed software how much?

sell to AIM at $140,000, charge $785/month per town council, 14 TC=10,990 per month, one year $131,880,,, wow,,,, return of investment 13 months,,,,,,,

and it is chandra daz,,,, members has benefits?
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

Don;t want to help just said so, no need to give all cock and bull shit. We can understand.
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

oh for bloody god's sake, stop playing politics and just tell the bloody truth....
im in an F5^*(( BAD AND STRESSED MOOD

so much could be achieve if people just old the F%^&*ING TRUTH

and flame away old man
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

hi there


1. aiyoh!
2. another can of worms inside a can of worms leh.
3. tcss!
 
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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

Thanks for the update. so now we know what actually happened. Sylvia Lim lied then.
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

Bro, this guy as Chairman of NTUC led the good life on overseas trip with his GM carrying his golf clubs. Overseas vendors would meet him and his GM at Airports, treat them well. Once you allow vendors to pick you up and treat you, you are obliged. I have no issue if it was his own company but it was NTUC.

This is the same guy that threatened Lam Soon Oil to withdraw all Knife brand cooking oil from NTUC shelves if Carrefour continued to sell the brand at a cheaper rate. Lam Soon had to give in. Again in this case, he is not interested in the customer.

All 3 clowns could not hack it in the real world. Lau had to go from OCBC and NTUC rescued him. Same with Das who started out at Intraco which is a GLC but bit player. Chew is basically operating a lobbying enterprise but starting or leading Industry groups exploiting his previous role as PAP Mp and deputy speaker. All 3 are beholden to PAP to the nth degree.



This chap was investigated by the CPIB in the 90s. Managed to 'escape'. GCT was behind him. Was he corrupt? 100%! Let me expose him ok? He used to get nightclub bills when he wasn't entertaining to make claims. My info 100% accurate.
 

laksaboy

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

only in asians societies we have this kind of narrow mindedness playing partisan interests in a non political organisation.

PAP party politics as infiltrated to so many non political organisation which will take generations to purge.

if this were to happen in free press angmo countries, people like him will be exposed until resign.

Summed up in this song:

[video=youtube;zKyvhQ5hC3o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKyvhQ5hC3o[/video]
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

Bro, this guy as Chairman of NTUC led the good life on overseas trip with his GM carrying his golf clubs. Overseas vendors would meet him and his GM at Airports, treat them well. Once you allow vendors to pick you up and treat you, you are obliged. I have no issue if it was his own company but it was NTUC.

This is the same guy that threatened Lam Soon Oil to withdraw all Knife brand cooking oil from NTUC shelves if Carrefour continued to sell the brand at a cheaper rate. Lam Soon had to give in. Again in this case, he is not interested in the customer.

All 3 clowns could not hack it in the real world. Lau had to go from OCBC and NTUC rescued him. Same with Das who started out at Intraco which is a GLC but bit player. Chew is basically operating a lobbying enterprise but starting or leading Industry groups exploiting his previous role as PAP Mp and deputy speaker. All 3 are beholden to PAP to the nth degree.

Thanks for the added info, bro. Not aware of the other two you mentioned but I know Chandra Das was trying to emulate Phey Yew Kok! He succeeded where PYK failed. Another point - while I have no evidence or didn't hear anything, I am pretty sure this CD chap was screwing around while he was in NTUC and as MP. Useless piece of shit.
 

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Re: Computer firm says town council's claim "inaccurate"

Dr Teo said although five companies collected the tender agreement, the sole bid was submitted by AIM, a company fully owned by the PAP.

I wonder why the other 4 companies after collecting the tender agreement did not bother to submit their bids. :confused:

Some knuckledusters called them up and tell them to bugger off? :*:

What kind of low down politics they are playing? Just imagine what will happen if they get voted out of office. They will pack up everything, including your CPF and run road? :confused: :*:

If that is the end game, might as well get it done as early as possible so the damaged be lessened rather than giving the 超级白 more time to systematically skim Singapore off. :mad: :mad:
 
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