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PAP government trying to shaft 10 million population down Sinkies' throats again

LITTLEREDDOT

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Shaft it down Sinkies' throats, or ram it up Sinkies' arse.


10m population not really a ridiculous number for S'pore to plan for: Liu Thai Ker​

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Singapore had increased its population by around 4 million in the past 55 years. ST PHOTO: LIM YAOHUI
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Justin Ong
Political Correspondent

Jan 11, 2022

SINGAPORE - Former chief city planner Liu Thai Ker on Tuesday (Jan 11) maintained that a population size of 10 million is "not really a ridiculous number" for Singapore to make plans to accommodate.
This is particularly so, given the city-state's needto ramp up economic growth to keep pace with neighbouring countries that are progressing faster than before.
The former chief executive officer of the Housing Board was responding to a question on whether Singapore was becoming too overcrowded, during a panel discussion that kicked off a yearly conference organised by the Institute of Policy Studies think-tank.
This is not the first time Dr Liu, who is now chairman of Morrow Architects and Planners, has floated a population figure.
A contentious topic that has provoked public uproar over the years, the 10-million figure was used by an opposition party as recently as during last year's election to suggest - falsely - that the Government plans to increase Singapore's population by bringing in foreigners.
Dr Liu, who on Tuesday reiterated that he was no longer in the Government and was speaking in his personal capacity, has clarified that the 10 million number was always a planning parameter and not a target.


He had first written about it in 2014, as a population size to plan for so that Singapore remains sustainable in the long term - a timeline he envisioned as stretching as far ahead as 2200.

The Government has said that Singapore's population is likely to be significantly below 6.9 million by 2030 - another number that drew consternation when first published as a projection in the Population White Paper of 2013.
On Tuesday, Dr Liu pointed to Singapore being located between China, India and Indonesia - three of the largest countries in the world now making tremendous progress.
His concern was that Singapore was sinking into complacency when it in fact needs an even sharper and more distinct "crisis mentality" today than it had in its early years of independence, in order to stay on par with or ahead of its Asian neighbours.
"We must be prepared for possibly faster economic growth to stand tall among them," said Dr Liu. "And to do so, we must accept population growth. And partly because of that, a few years ago, I said, 'Let's plan for 10 million people'.
He pointed out that Singapore had increased its population by around 4 million in the past 55 years.
But panel moderator and Ambassador-at-Large Chan Heng Chee, who is also a professor at the Lee Kuan Yew Centre for Innovative Cities housed within the Singapore University of Technology and Design, noted that pandemic conditions had shrunk Singapore's population by some 200,000 to 5.45 million as at June last year.
Fellow panellist George Yeo said he had some sympathy for Dr Liu's view.
"If you plan for more and we don't reach that number, then Singapore will be very spacious," the former foreign minister added. "Whereas if you plan for fewer, and because of the nature of things - not everything is within our control - the population grows more than we anticipated, then it will be very crowded."
 

laksaboy

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LOL, it's that Liu Thai Ker again. :biggrin:

The population will increase anyway, after they have shifted the ports in the Keppel area to Tuas, what do you think they are going to do with that nice piece of land? :wink:
 

Rogue Trader

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10m population not really a ridiculous number for S'pore to plan for: Liu Thai Ker​

Justin Ong
Political Correspondent

PUBLISHED
2 HOURS AGO

SINGAPORE - Former chief city planner Liu Thai Ker on Tuesday (Jan 11) maintained that a population size of 10 million is "not really a ridiculous number" for Singapore to make plans to accommodate.

This is particularly so, given the city-state's need to ramp up economic growth to keep pace with neighbouring countries that are progressing faster than before.

The former chief executive of the Housing Board was responding to a question on whether Singapore was becoming too overcrowded, during a panel discussion that kicked off a yearly conference organised by the Institute of Policy Studies think-tank.

This is not the first time Dr Liu, who is now chairman of Morrow Architects and Planners, has floated a population figure.

A contentious topic that has provoked public uproar over the years, the 10 million figure was used by an opposition party as recently as during 2020's election to suggest - falsely - that the Government plans to increase Singapore's population by bringing in foreigners.

Dr Liu, who on Tuesday reiterated that he was no longer in the Government and was speaking in his personal capacity, has clarified that the 10 million number was always a planning parameter and not a target.

He had first written about it in 2014, as a population size to plan for so that Singapore remains sustainable in the long term - a timeline he envisioned as stretching as far ahead as 2200.


The Government has said that Singapore's population is likely to be significantly below 6.9 million by 2030 - another number that drew consternation when first published as a projection in the Population White Paper of 2013.

On Tuesday, Dr Liu pointed to Singapore being located between China, India and Indonesia - three of the largest countries in the world now making tremendous progress.

His concern was that Singapore was sinking into complacency when it in fact needs an even sharper and more distinct "crisis mentality" today than it had in its early years of independence, in order to stay on a par with or ahead of its Asian neighbours.

"We must be prepared for possibly faster economic growth to stand tall among them," said Dr Liu. "And to do so, we must accept population growth. And partly because of that, a few years ago, I said, 'Let's plan for 10 million people'.

He pointed out that Singapore had increased its population by around four million in the past 55 years.

But panel moderator and Ambassador-at-Large Chan Heng Chee, who is also a professor at the Lee Kuan Yew Centre for Innovative Cities housed within the Singapore University of Technology and Design, noted that pandemic conditions had shrunk Singapore's population by some 200,000 to 5.45 million as at June last year.

Fellow panellist George Yeo said he had some sympathy for Dr Liu's view.

"If you plan for more and we don't reach that number, then Singapore will be very spacious," the former foreign minister added. "Whereas if you plan for fewer, and because of the nature of things - not everything is within our control - the population grows more than we anticipated, then it will be very crowded."
 

glockman

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How are 10m people supposed to fit on the tiny island, and still have a reasonable quality of life? Yes, we can have 10m, but we need to annex Johor first. In the mean time, fuck him for saying it again.
 

laksaboy

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I think it'll be similar to the projected Covid cases, fear porn pre-emptively projects 5k or 15k but actually number slightly less than that, so the sheeple are grateful and relieved.

The PAP technocrats will eventually 'settle' for 7 mil or 8 mil after an 'extensive study'. Liu Thai Ker is the 'bad cop' and sounding board.

These fuckers are super predictable if you have observed them for some time.

Building infrastructure is the only way totalitarian regimes can grow the economy. And when they build infrastructure, it's definitely not for ghosts to use them. :wink:

New Bill will allow Govt to borrow up to $90b for long-term national infrastructure projects​

APR 6, 2021
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...overnment-to-borrow-up-to-90-billion-for-long
 

Rogue Trader

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How are 10m people supposed to fit on the tiny island, and still have a reasonable quality of life? Yes, we can have 10m, but we need to annex Johor first. In the mean time, fuck him for saying it again.
This wife stealing old fart has been talking about his 10 million population wet dream while living his privileged life in a bungalow house somewhere.

I'd say fuck him and throw his wrinkled old ass into a bangla workers dorm for the rest of his days
 

mahjongking

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already so stressful and crowded like fuck now,
fuck his mother cheebye 10 million times

hope his bedroom infested with 100 cobras
 
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eatshitndie

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liu fucker can’t find a more appropriate and convenient time to rehash and push his cherished theory of 10m when sg is still in the middle of a pandamic and sexperiencing a new wave of a new variant where social and sexual distancing plus masking and testing are becumming the new normal. someone in the inner circle has to shut this lao fucker up.
 

borom

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The so called elites with supposedly macro/world wide view always want more and more cheap labour to work fasterer,cheaperer and betterer.
What do you expect when you cobble together 3 pro PAP "thinkers " and ask for their opinions -more of the same PAP propaganda
 
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birdie69

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How are 10m people supposed to fit on the tiny island, and still have a reasonable quality of life? Yes, we can have 10m, but we need to annex Johor first. In the mean time, fuck him for saying it again.
I bet this dying old man Liu will be sent to 十八层地狱 when he died, 永不超生.
 

Hypocrite-The

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https://theindependent.sg/netizens-...0m-population-not-really-a-ridiculous-number/
Netizens dismayed that ex-chief planner thinks 10m population ‘not really a ridiculous number’ - The Independent Singapore News

January 13, 2022
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Singapore — When the country’s former Master Planner and CEO of the Urban Redevelopment Authority Liu Thai Ker said on Tuesday that a 10 million population in Singapore is “not really a ridiculous number” because of the country’s need to remain competitive many netizens were utterly dismayed.

And they said so in no uncertain terms, making it plain that the number is no less provocative than when he first uttered it in April 2013.

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At that forum nearly nine years ago now, which was organised by the Singapore Institute of Planners on the topic of planning for 2030, Dr Liu had suggested Singapore look even further ahead, possibly to 2100 when it might have 10 million people.

“The world doesn’t end in 2030 and population growth doesn’t end at 6.9 million,” he had said then. That 6.9 million figure mentioned in a government White Paper on Population was already enough to prompt a protest against opening the doors even wider to immigration.

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Dr Liu, 83, who was Singapore’s Master Planner from 1989 to 1992 when he left the public service, underlined on Tuesday that he was once again speaking in his personal capacity.

He repeated that 10 million figure at the annual conference organised by the Institute of Policy Studies when asked if Singapore was getting too overcrowded, The Straits Times reports.

The theme of the IPS’ 2022 conference is “City”.

Dr Liu is the founder and chairman of Morrow Architects and Planners. But to many Singaporeans, he is still indelibly associated with the Housing and Development Board where he worked for 10 years, rising to CEO and chief planner before leaving in 1989 for the URA.

Clearly, there has to be a disconnect between the thinking of a master planner whose horizons must reach far ahead of how ordinary folk view their country.

At the conference on Tuesday, Dr Liu said “We must be prepared for possibly faster economic growth to stand tall among” China, India, and Indonesia.
“And to do so, we must accept population growth. And partly because of that, a few years ago, I said, ‘Let’s plan for 10 million people’.”
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FB screengrab: Institute of Policy Studies – IPS
The furore after the first mention of the 10 million figure in The Straits Times simmered down only to be re-energised in 2019 when it resurfaced in the course of a public dialogue with the then-Finance Minister Heng Swee Keat.

Then, during the 2020 General Elections, Singapore Democratic Party chief Chee Soon Juan made full use of that number, falsely claiming that the then Finance Minister Heng Swee Keat had said in an interview that Singapore should plan for this population size.

Dr Liu , who has been involved in the planning of some 50 cities, reiterated his point that preparation for a larger population is key, “If you don’t make preparations now, when you need more expressways and MRT lines, where will the land come from?”

In comments on The Straits Times Facebook page, netizens took issue anew with the prospect of 10,000,000 people living in Singapore.


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How are 10m people supposed to fit on the tiny island, and still have a reasonable quality of life? Yes, we can have 10m, but we need to annex Johor first. In the mean time, fuck him for saying it again.

The PAP has already worked things out. There'll be enough parks, green spaces and recreational facilities for 10 million people here.
 

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10m population not really a ridiculous number for S'pore to plan for: Liu Thai Ker​

Justin Ong
Political Correspondent

PUBLISHED
2 HOURS AGO

SINGAPORE - Former chief city planner Liu Thai Ker on Tuesday (Jan 11) maintained that a population size of 10 million is "not really a ridiculous number" for Singapore to make plans to accommodate.

This is particularly so, given the city-state's need to ramp up economic growth to keep pace with neighbouring countries that are progressing faster than before.

The former chief executive of the Housing Board was responding to a question on whether Singapore was becoming too overcrowded, during a panel discussion that kicked off a yearly conference organised by the Institute of Policy Studies think-tank.

This is not the first time Dr Liu, who is now chairman of Morrow Architects and Planners, has floated a population figure.

A contentious topic that has provoked public uproar over the years, the 10 million figure was used by an opposition party as recently as during 2020's election to suggest - falsely - that the Government plans to increase Singapore's population by bringing in foreigners.

Dr Liu, who on Tuesday reiterated that he was no longer in the Government and was speaking in his personal capacity, has clarified that the 10 million number was always a planning parameter and not a target.

He had first written about it in 2014, as a population size to plan for so that Singapore remains sustainable in the long term - a timeline he envisioned as stretching as far ahead as 2200.


The Government has said that Singapore's population is likely to be significantly below 6.9 million by 2030 - another number that drew consternation when first published as a projection in the Population White Paper of 2013.

On Tuesday, Dr Liu pointed to Singapore being located between China, India and Indonesia - three of the largest countries in the world now making tremendous progress.

His concern was that Singapore was sinking into complacency when it in fact needs an even sharper and more distinct "crisis mentality" today than it had in its early years of independence, in order to stay on a par with or ahead of its Asian neighbours.

"We must be prepared for possibly faster economic growth to stand tall among them," said Dr Liu. "And to do so, we must accept population growth. And partly because of that, a few years ago, I said, 'Let's plan for 10 million people'.

He pointed out that Singapore had increased its population by around four million in the past 55 years.

But panel moderator and Ambassador-at-Large Chan Heng Chee, who is also a professor at the Lee Kuan Yew Centre for Innovative Cities housed within the Singapore University of Technology and Design, noted that pandemic conditions had shrunk Singapore's population by some 200,000 to 5.45 million as at June last year.

Fellow panellist George Yeo said he had some sympathy for Dr Liu's view.

"If you plan for more and we don't reach that number, then Singapore will be very spacious," the former foreign minister added. "Whereas if you plan for fewer, and because of the nature of things - not everything is within our control - the population grows more than we anticipated, then it will be very crowded."
it is really a ridiculous number.
 

butoh6050

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10m will not always remain 10M
2045 probably like 13M and so on.
Then what? Stop at 2 policy come back?
Or maybe those male sinkies below 35 who opt for Sterilization gets a NTUC voucher?
 
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