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North Korea Kim Jong Il passed away. He was 69.

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A woman and her son cry as North Koreans gather after learning death of their leader Kim Jong Il on Monday, Dec. 19, 2011 in Pyongyang, North Korea. Kim died on Saturday, Dec. 17, North Korean state media announced Monday.​

In the olden days, there was a profession called the ' hao lam ' in hokkien. ' Hao lam ' are the professional mourners employed in funerals to create an atmosphere of extreme bereavement.
 

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Happy Crying ??? Machiam all wayang crying siah.... :biggrin:

[video=youtube;9Xy2InXXIkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xy2InXXIkk[/video]


dun laugh at them ok, if you dun act sad, your whole family will go to concentration camp, and die there.
if i were them, i will cry like i just lost all my money too.
 

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dun laugh at them ok, if you dun act sad, your whole family will go to concentration camp, and die there.
if i were them, i will cry like i just lost all my money too.

And they say mankind is the most intelligent species on earth....:rolleyes:
 

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And they say mankind is the most intelligent species on earth....:rolleyes:

in north korea, when the camera point at your face, you dun act sad and cry, man, you going to suffer later big.
it is the smart one that break down and cry, the more sad, the better.

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In the olden days, there was a profession called the ' hao lam ' in hokkien. ' Hao lam ' are the professional mourners employed in funerals to create an atmosphere of extreme bereavement.

No worries, these hao lam will reappear when the Old Fart of Spore dies. Akan Datang in 2012 approx. Many cry babies will surface at Oxley, Istana & the funeral route. Masses will even ululate & genuflect along the procession route. All these will come true mind you. I will even go to the extent of stating that some nutjobs will proclaim that you need to wear black armbands during the mourning period.

One thing I know for sure is I will not be in town as I will be hotfooting it to Bangkok. Damn the Old Fart!
 
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North Korea depends a lot on China aids so the Chinese will naturally have a strong influence over NK internal affairs. any Pyongyang leaders have to cement a close relationship with Beijing. the new NK regime might look favorably towards South Korea and USA but it's unlikely to be on their immediate radar for now.

i'm not sure if China will be sorry to see the collapse of North Korea regime. NK as an important buffer state is a thing of the past. NK now seems more of a burden to China than anything else. China don't need the NK issue to play off the Taiwan issue with USA. China are never interested in immediate reunification with Taiwan. the Taiwanese under whichever political party are not going to declare formal independence. the Taiwan issue from China position is "already settled."

u see chinese communist too up liao. NK only pay lip service to the chinese, if the chinese set too many conditions to it aids to NK, NK would rather NK citizens starve than accepts conditions that were unacceptable to the NK. u think the chinese like the idea of a nuclear power NK who even the chinese have no idea who calling the shots in NK. A nuclear tip missile may only take less than 1 hour to fly to beijing (i no idea of NK missile speed), not something the chinese politburo keen to live under.

chinese always perviced that they were being surrounded by enemies, either the russian or the american. The fact it entire northern border with russia is heavily militarised. and the south have a billion kelings on the other side so PRC like to use burma and pakistan to counter india. Then when vietnam follow the russian line of communism, the chinese throw its weight to the khmer rouge. The chinese have been supplying small arms to the khmer rouge to support khmer rouge claim to the mekong delta which of course result in the counter invasion of the cambodia by vietnam. likewise, the chinese would rather give a token supply of grain and fuel to prop up the NK regime than have american troops and its allies across yalu jiang.

by the way, trade between the two nations not exactly smooth, there are claims of both sides trying to cheat the other on the border towns. even normal citizens of both side of the borders dont trust each other. pop over to dandong to see for yourself, u be surprise to see both side not exactly the "brothers" the media protray them to be.
 

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Hi sleaguepunter,

Given the number of times Kim Jong Il visited China before his death, you sure the China-NK relationship is between equals?
 

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u see chinese communist too up liao. NK only pay lip service to the chinese, if the chinese set too many conditions to it aids to NK, NK would rather NK citizens starve than accepts conditions that were unacceptable to the NK. u think the chinese like the idea of a nuclear power NK who even the chinese have no idea who calling the shots in NK. A nuclear tip missile may only take less than 1 hour to fly to beijing (i no idea of NK missile speed), not something the chinese politburo keen to live under.

chinese always perviced that they were being surrounded by enemies, either the russian or the american. The fact it entire northern border with russia is heavily militarised. and the south have a billion kelings on the other side so PRC like to use burma and pakistan to counter india. Then when vietnam follow the russian line of communism, the chinese throw its weight to the khmer rouge. The chinese have been supplying small arms to the khmer rouge to support khmer rouge claim to the mekong delta which of course result in the counter invasion of the cambodia by vietnam. likewise, the chinese would rather give a token supply of grain and fuel to prop up the NK regime than have american troops and its allies across yalu jiang.

by the way, trade between the two nations not exactly smooth, there are claims of both sides trying to cheat the other on the border towns. even normal citizens of both side of the borders dont trust each other. pop over to dandong to see for yourself, u be surprise to see both side not exactly the "brothers" the media protray them to be.

imo North Korea is totally dependent on China for energy, raw materials and its economic lifeblood. the next Pyongyang leaders or regime would have to be approved or accepted by Beijing. if China threaten to turn off the tap, could North Korea give in to every Chinese demands unconditionally or as you have suggested NK will let their civilians starve, start a conflict in the Korean peninsula or even fire a nuclear missile to Beijing? i don't know.

i think China negotiating leverage over North Korea is strong. Pyongyang leverage over Beijing depends on how the Chinese evaluate the strategic value of North Korea in a broader context of international relations. the Chinese rising great power group of thinkers ( the specialists in international relations ) believe that it's time to transform China’s relations with North Korea from special relations to normal state-to-state relations. China should place emphasis on mutual benefits and cooperation with USA rather than conflict. North Korea is a strategic burden in their perspective. However the Chinese traditional thinkers who still direct China’s policies on the Korean peninsula still place great importance on the buffer zone role of North Korea for China in terms of geopolitics or ideological affinity respectively. in future China's foreign policy could change, North Korea's interests could be sacrificed depending on circumstances.

agree that the relationship between China and North Korea are not smooth as portrayed. there are many tough problematic issues like trade and NK nuclear program. the six-party talks have increased the level of mistrust between the two countries.
 

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Hi sleaguepunter,

Given the number of times Kim Jong Il visited China before his death, you sure the China-NK relationship is between equals?

No harm in building up a relation. while the relationship is not equal but it not one sided too. Koreans on the whole it a proud race. They cannot bear to be seen to be kowtow to anybody, especially the chinese and the japanese.
 

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Mao sent more than two million soldiers to help NK fight during the Korean War. 400,000 young men died and thousands injured. So whether NK is sharing same ideology or depending on China for food, energy or raw materials, they better be grateful and show respect to its giant neighbour.
 

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Mao sent more than two million soldiers to help NK fight during the Korean War. 400,000 young men died and thousands injured. So whether NK is sharing same ideology or depending on China for food, energy or raw materials, they better be grateful and show respect to its giant neighbour.

as much as NK grateful for what PRC had done in the past, it always who can do what for NK in the future that count.

it just the same as most of us is thankful what pap & lky had achieve since 1965 but we want to vote them out for our future.
 

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The front pages of selected Shanghai newpapers are seen reporting on the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il on December 20, 2011. China's state-run media urged a smooth transition of power in North Korea after the death of Kim plunged the nuclear-armed nation into a second dynastic succession.​
 

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Mao sent more than two million soldiers to help NK fight during the Korean War. 400,000 young men died and thousands injured. So whether NK is sharing same ideology or depending on China for food, energy or raw materials, they better be grateful and show respect to its giant neighbour.

North Korea played an important role in helping Mao Zedong win the Chinese civil war and create the People's Republic of China in 1949. at the request of Mao for direct involvement in the Chinese civil war, Kim II-sung provided the People's Liberation Army with military supplies for a million troops and sent 250K North Korean troops ( 1945-1949 ), who took part in the Manchuria victory and other parts of China.

Mao returned Kim this favor in the Korean War.
 

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Contrary to some who think that the outpouring of griefs are false, i think these tears and emotions are real. Having been shut out of the world and whose lives are centred in the cult of their leaders, they can feel a kind of desperate griefs and despair.

A friend who has live and visited both the North and south Koreas also observed that the Korean people have a tendency for emotional outburst and uniformity in behaviour. He observed that that mass hysterical outburst are very common in evangelist South korean churches , in young korean obession with Kpop stars with a often uniform hand or dance movement in South Korea which is very similar to those scenes in North Korea. He was therefore not surprised by what he saw in the news of the loud emotional griefs for the death of their leader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFCjKDKK6xY
 

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Security personnel stand guard outside North Korean Embassy in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Tuesday, Dec. 20, 2011

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North Koreans living in Malaysia arrive to pay respects to the late North Korean leader Kim Jong Il at North Korean Embassy in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Tuesday, Dec. 20, 2011.​
 

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China's President Hu Jintao (front L) shakes hands with an official as he expresses condolences on the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il, at the embassy of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) in Beijing in this December 20, 2011 photo distributed by the Xinhua News Agency. National People's Congress Chairman Wu Bangguo (2nd R), China's Politburo Standing Committee member Li Changchun (3rd L) and China's Vice President Xi Jinping (2nd L) accompanied Hu during the visit.

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China's President Hu Jintao (C) pays his respects to late North Korean leader Kim Jong-il at the North Korean embassy in Beijing in this still image taken from video footage December 20, 2011. China said on Tuesday it was open to a visit by new North Korean leader Kim Jong-un following the death of his father Kim Jong-il, as President Hu Jintao visited the hermit state's embassy in Beijing to express his condolences.​
 

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In this photo released by the Korean Central News Agency and distributed in Tokyo by the Korea News Service, the awards and medals of late North Korean leader Kim Jong Il are displayed beside his body, not in photo, in a memorial palace in Pyongyang, North Korea, Tuesday, Dec. 20, 2011. Kim died on Saturday, Dec. 17, North Korean state media announced Monday.

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