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New rules to require employers to consider S'poreans fairly before hiring foreigners

red amoeba

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immediately i can beat the system. i advertise for job of IT managers, pay = 800 bucks. Work 7 days a week, 20 hrs a day.
i let the ad run for 4 mths. U reckon any sinkie will apply? then i happily hire some pinoys n then pay them 1000 (including housing allowance).
 

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Singaporeans have to learn to compete with foreigners.There is no doubt about this.

How to compete against foreigners? They live like cockroaches ...15 people to a flat, no need to pay CPF, no need to pay medisave and other fees. That's why they can survive on $3k a month.
 

winnipegjets

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It is a wayang. Implementation in Aug 2014, just before election in 2015. After election, PAP returns to power, everything back to normal.
 

goodtool

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HK is one place.

Not true. I used to in charged of our subsidiary in HK. It was 2003 and they already have the policy of hiring HK citizen first. The advertisement period is 3 months if I remember correctly
 

Logisex

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Sinkies expensive? Go ask your FT friends and I don't mean the blue collar ones.

All these are about protecting Sinkies and also because of the pressures from WP? Go ask your banker friends on what is happening in the banking/financial sector now esp on a few big foreign banks here. Its about protecting some sectors of our economy, not the people working in the sector.

The garment knows a whole lot more about all these monkey business than you think and the issues/underlying risks go much deeper and wider than you can imagine. This is how serious the problem is now.
 

Scrooball (clone)

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Lame ass move. They need to tighten the foreign manpower intake quota much more!
 

klkang

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is it fair to hire a more expensive sinkie, while cheaper younger FT exists to help company save money? business job is to make money, not to provide jobs for sinkie.

Yes it is fair to some extent, it is only fair that the flood gate not be open so wide that any and every TDH come here to snatch jobs from the local.
sily remark you made, obviously you are not a Singaporean.
 

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Dear Mr Tan Chin Juan

1. Thanks for revert and looking into the issues which many S'poreans (especially the sandwiched PMETs) are facing.

2. A suggestion is for MOM to adopt a more rigorous "competency-based" approach (CBA) in the MOM EP website and for the new proposed data bank. The current "descriptive" approach by job title and qualifcation is prone to abuses. An employer should list the job functions and along with the key competencies (eg: legislation, industry technical, product, IT skills, people skills, etc) required for the job and the incumbent.

3. To briefly illustrate, a relook based on an Indian "Foreign Talent" candidate's profile (in Linkedin) under the CBA will be:

a) Function: To advise on S'pore banking laws; Competency: Demo knowledge of Spore banking laws and regulations: No - Does not have licences or certs to prove so.
b) Function: To advise on Anti-Money Laundering matters; Competency: Relevant qualifcations for the job: No - Acounting background, no legal, compliance or AML qualifcations.
c) Function: Senior Bank Manager role; Competency: No relevant work experience - Background is in audit.
d) Function: To be liason between Chinese speaking staff and customers; Competency: Relevant language skill - No. Heavy accent Pundeklish spoken and written.
e) Criminal record: Indian pundeknadu authorities issue cert of good citizen (probably fake can be bought).

Evaluation: This is a VP position in a bank. The CBA shows that this is clearly not the most suitable or the best candidate (if you use a scoring system). Possible that a S'porean can do the job role? - Highly "Yes".

4. But under the current MOM EP descriptive approach:

a) Degree holder - Yes. A Indian university - Pundeknadu Uni.
b) Job title - Senior Bank Officer.
c) Min $3k - Yes

Evaluation: OK, passed. Another "Foreign Talent" into our overcrowded S'pore.


6. I hope the above shows how easy it is for one and loose the current MOM EP system is.

7. It is also prone to abuses by a HR manager or a foreigner (who is the hiring manager) to easily "recruit" someone else from the home country, other than a S'porean under the current system. Likewise, for EP2 and Q Passes on the lower job ends - Many S'poreans are "overlooked" and not given the opportunity. A CBA approach, would put more onus on the employers to be more transparent on the job hiring process, and allow MOM officers to better assess the job requirements and approve the work passes for the right candidate.
 
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enterprise2

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Dear Mr Tan Chin Juan

1. Thanks for revert and looking into the issues which many S'poreans (especially the sandwiched PMETs) are facing.

2. A suggestion is for MOM to adopt a more rigorous "competency-based" approach (CBA) in the MOM EP website and for the new proposed data bank. The current "descriptive" approach by job title and qualifcation is prone to abuses. An employer should list the job functions and along with the key competencies (eg: legislation, industry technical, product, IT skills, people skills, etc) required for the job and the incumbent.

3. To briefly illustrate, a relook on the Indian "Foreign Talent" candidate's profile (in Linkedin) under the CBA will be:

a) Function: To advise on S'pore banking laws; Competency: Demo knowledge of Spore banking laws and regulations: No - Does not have licences or certs to prove so.
b) Function: To advise on Anti-Money Laundering matters; Competency: Relevant qualifcations for the job: No - Acounting background, no legal, compliance or AML qualifcations.
c) Function: Senior Bank Manager role; Competency: No relevant work experience - Background is in audit.
d) Function: To be liason between Chinese speaking staff and customers; Competency: Relevant language skill - No. Heavy accent Pundeklish spoken and written.
e) Criminal record: Indian pundeknadu authorities issue cert of good citizen (probably fake can be bought).

Evaluation: This is a VP position in a bank. The CBA shows that this is clearly not the most suitable or the best candidate (if you use a scoring system). Possible that a S'porean can do the job role? - Highly "Yes".

4. But under the current MOM EP descriptive approach:

a) Degree holder - Yes. A Indian university - Pundeknadu Uni.
b) Job title - Senior Bank Officer.
c) Min $3k - Yes

Evaluation: OK, passed. Another "Foreign Talent" into our overcrowded S'pore.


6. I hope the above shows how easy it is for one and loose the current MOM EP system is.

7. It is also prone to abuses by a HR manager or a foreigner (who is the hiring manager) to easily "recruit" someone else from the home country, other than a S'porean under the current system. Likewise, for EP2 and Q Passes on the lower job ends - Many S'poreans are "overlooked" and not given the opportunity. A CBA approach, would put more onus on the employers to be more transparent on the job hiring process, and allow MOM officers to better assess the job requirement and approve the work passes for the right candidate.

Well!! They said they will use "a light touch"!!! That means process full of holes, easy to circumvent and no enforcement!!
 

Hans168

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It took more than 3 GEs for govt to take action.......... after GE in early 2000 MPs swear that their top priority is to create jobs! On hindsight they were probably right - create jobs for FTs
Middle class ie PMEs lost jobs got tossed aside to live on handouts by various govt schemes
Dun the fucktards realise that with small middle class this society is doom to fail?
 

Hans168

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At last!! Now they are changing course!! Keep on slapping them, WP!!

You think it was WP factor?
PAP is peeing in the pants........... at stake is 2016 no more fat hog paychecks n perks
 

soIsee

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It took more than 3 GEs for govt to take action.......... after GE in early 2000 MPs swear that their top priority is to create jobs! On hindsight they were probably right - create jobs for FTs
Middle class ie PMEs lost jobs got tossed aside to live on handouts by various govt schemes
Dun the fucktards realise that with small middle class this society is doom to fail?

Which society?

Yours?

The PAP and their rich counterpart Elites?

Or the down and out balless Sinkie , which you can hardly see when FTs are not overcrowding them? LOL
 
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Hans168

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Such measures are useless cosmetics ...its better than nothing but not effective.

Employers will find work-arounds easily so long as they can still hire foreigners. They simply reject Singaporeans for various reasons then say they cannot find any qualified Singaporeans.

MOM n NTUC must publish n demand a listing of EP holders in those companies hiring FTs with job details n compensations so that public can see whether the jobs awarded to fresh graduates from India are justifiable! There will be surprises which obviously the lazy HR Directors will hide.......... these bums are guilty of treason as for them to perform recruitment of EPs the easiest way is to palm off to labour contractors who will do everying for HR and make super profits out of it....... if it is Indian labour market, the persons employed also pay the contractors some of whom even share the grease with HR Directors............
I have heard enuf of these Indian shits.... bring in one Indian, he will bring in his kampung; they gang up to bash up Singaporeans incl sabotage.
What takes MOM so long? Even now they are putting on a gentle touch for an infestation gone terribly bad....... effective August 2014...... bah what shit is this?
 

Hans168

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Sinkies expensive? Go ask your FT friends and I don't mean the blue collar ones.

All these are about protecting Sinkies and also because of the pressures from WP? Go ask your banker friends on what is happening in the banking/financial sector now esp on a few big foreign banks here. Its about protecting some sectors of our economy, not the people working in the sector.

The garment knows a whole lot more about all these monkey business than you think and the issues/underlying risks go much deeper and wider than you can imagine. This is how serious the problem is now.

Citibank is one big culprit with legacy started by Ah Vikram Pandit....... the chief is booted out but the curry stench is still there esp in liberal Singapore

With so many banks here do we even need Citibank?
 

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Place ad for locals but employer still have choice to hire foreigners right? May I know which cocksucking scholar thought of this idea?
 
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