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Yah. I guess so. But marrying a poor guy also can't escape from the fact totally. No guys want to remain poor anyway. And with wealth comes greed.
A wise women once told me....'nan ren shi xu yao yi dian zai de'. Man need a little bit of debts...(to keep him focus?
)1) Yeah i personally know of women doing this.... Somemore some are rich. Husband is MD SEA of reputable company too....
2) Yes quality and reliability is very important
2) Yes quality and reliability is very important
Look around in your office, how many married females having secret affair with their bosses, colleagues or clients?
I like blue wave because the quality is generally reliable.!
If wife not in town/go party/go visit friends/ ownself cooking is not a good option
Better eat outside
Better eat outside
To each his/her own.
If not married, then there is no home cooked food.
i have a strange feeling you know a lot about chionging considering that you know or are an expert on every other topic.
it would be very strange if you really are not aware....
Maybe u rather humbly say you dunno....
it would be very strange if you really are not aware....
Maybe u rather humbly say you dunno....
i have a strange feeling you know a lot about chionging considering that you know or are an expert on every other topic.
it would be very strange if you really are not aware....
Maybe u rather humbly say you dunno....
Still waters run deep
it would be very strange if you really are not aware....
Maybe u rather humbly say you dunno....
Still waters run deep
Share with wife? Good luck to you dude.... Hope your wife tolerates it... He he....
I know of a doctor friend who buys his wife a rolex (6k) every month. earns about 20k plus a month. just a gp only.
so wife closes one eye and allows him to do whatever....
Does the wife really love him?
Where got genuine love? Only amongst tribals and in the villages... not in the cities...
I know of a doctor friend who buys his wife a rolex (6k) every month. earns about 20k plus a month. just a gp only.
so wife closes one eye and allows him to do whatever....
Does the wife really love him?
Where got genuine love? Only amongst tribals and in the villages... not in the cities...
Bro InformedHH, i am no saint by any definition but if no chionging or never going for paid sex = Saint then some people i know will be saints even for someone like me.
Bro AP, seriously i know where as i have chionging friends but i don't really go there. I have tonnes of games, sporting equipment, hobbies that i don't have time for plus my work is really taxing. Worked in SG from 8 to 5.45pm, went back, still worked until 4am in the morning. Woke up before 8am and continued working. This has been my schedule for some time. I do need a good massage now and then but above the waistline mostly.
Bro AP, seriously i know where as i have chionging friends but i don't really go there. I have tonnes of games, sporting equipment, hobbies that i don't have time for plus my work is really taxing. Worked in SG from 8 to 5.45pm, went back, still worked until 4am in the morning. Woke up before 8am and continued working. This has been my schedule for some time. I do need a good massage now and then but above the waistline mostly.
i dunno about married prcs doing it.
i know single prcs doing it.
i know of married singaporean women doing it...
and i know of married singaporean men doing it big time with the Phillipine Foreign Talent (Waitresses/Clerks/Nurses/Accountants etc)
i know single prcs doing it.
i know of married singaporean women doing it...
and i know of married singaporean men doing it big time with the Phillipine Foreign Talent (Waitresses/Clerks/Nurses/Accountants etc)
Actually you are right about the tribals, even near here at Taman Laguna area, got to know an orang asli guy, he told my dad he has 6wives, all sleeping together. Hats off to him, my dad told me luckily he didn't have no. 7 as at least he can rest on Sunday!
u really covet and treasure marriage... Salutations...
Now what happens if a Singapore man begets a kid with a FT. Does the kid gain citizenship...
Now what happens if a Singapore man begets a kid with a FT. Does the kid gain citizenship...
Railway will first move to woodlands on 1 Jul 11. Whether it will move out of spore to JB is a qn mark.Seems like RTS (malaysia's new rapid transit system) will run to woodlands station to connect with Thomson line. Got to wait for more details . . .
No way to escape from this just as there is no guarantee in life. Someone once said this to me, rich marry me will screw me, poor marry me will also screw me. I might as well let the rich one get me.
This was what someone said to me along time ago when i was young, poor and penniless. In the end, i married her friend.
One cannot guarantee anything in life, the so called rich man at that time, his dad business went bust, subsequently downgraded from terrace to HDB.
What privilege did i get? i am not the man of yore who experienced whatever privileges....
I think many Spore women expect too much and end up making their men sissies....
Men need to feel like men... Hence they will do what makes them feel like a man...
I think many Spore women expect too much and end up making their men sissies....
Men need to feel like men... Hence they will do what makes them feel like a man...
ST article yday. Now however said Spore women are saints?
Any wonder the men behave the way they do?
Money talks when S'pore women say 'I love you'
Survey finding may be a reason for low birth rate, as materialistic people value family less
By Theresa Tan
BLAME the material girl for Singapore's baby woes.
Cupid and the stork had no luck last year, with the number of marriages and babies born dipping to yet another record low.
New research by Singapore Management University (SMU) psychology professor Norman Li could shed some light on Singapore's ever-shrinking birth rate. His study, published earlier this year, shows that Singaporean women are 'significantly' more materialistic than their American peers.
When it comes to looking for a potential spouse, the top criterion for Singaporean women is a man's social status. Next on the list is kindness, followed by a lively personality. In contrast, American women value kindness the most, followed by looks, then a man's social standing.
Prof Li did not ask his subjects for their reasons but said he is not surprised by the finding. 'Maybe Singaporean women are just being realistic. Here, you need a lot of money to survive and afford an affluent lifestyle. Maybe they are just being practical,' he said.
He and his associates surveyed about 400 psychology students aged between 19 and 21, studying at the SMU and the Northern Illinois University near Chicago in the United States, on their attitudes towards marriage, children and preferences when it comes to choosing a partner.
The study found no major differences when it comes to men: Both American and Singaporean men went for looks first. The second most important trait in a spouse for men was kindness and the third was a lively personality.
'Men are wired to go for looks,' he explained, adding that a woman's physical attractiveness is a visual cue for fertility. Features such as 'soft skin, full-looking lips and colourful cheeks' are not just attractive, but also associated with youth, which indicates a woman's fertility. That is why men tend to go for younger women, he explained.
Prof Li, a 45-year-old American-born Chinese, knows this first-hand. His American wife, Ruth, is 21 years his junior. Mrs Li, now a housewife, was his student when he was lecturing at the University of Texas at Austin before he came to Singapore in 2008. They have a two-year-old son, Jasper.
His research also showed that the pursuit of material success is at odds with the desire to settle down and have babies. 'Lots of past research have shown that the more materialistic you are, the less you place value on having friends and family,' he said.
It's a simple trade-off, he added. We have only so much time and energy, and chasing one goal means giving up another ideal.
Another possible factor has to do with one's source for fulfilment, whether it is strong family ties or material success. He said: 'If you have good relationships, you may not need to value material things because you already feel good.'
However, he noted that research has not determined which comes first: 'Do people pursue material goals and then abandon friends and family, or is it because they are no good at having friends and family and so they make up for it by grabbing onto material things?'
He said he decided to study Singapore's baby woes from a psychological perspective after learning that it was an utmost national concern. By and large, he noted, wealthier countries tend to have lower birth rates. Yet 'significant differences' still occur among countries which enjoy similar levels of economic development, he said.
That is why he decided to compare Singapore and the US. Singapore ranks ninth out of 229 countries, while the US takes the 10th place, in terms of per capita gross domestic product, according to the Central Intelligence Agency World Factbook.
Yet the US' total fertility rate (TFR) at 2.05 in 2009 was almost double Singapore's rate of 1.22. Last year, Singapore's TFR, which measures the average number of children a woman will bear in her lifetime, sank to a historic low of 1.16.
Only 37,967 babies were born last year, the lowest number since 2005 when Singapore saw 37,492 births, despite the surge in the number of new citizens and permanent residents in recent years. And only 24,363 couples tied the knot last year - the lowest since 2007, when 23,966 couples wed.
In a Family Research Network forum presentation on singlehood at the National University of Singapore last month, Prof Li pointed out that Singaporeans - both men and women - are 'significantly' less satisfied with life than Americans.
Americans scored an average of five, while Singaporeans came in at 4.38 in his study. The closer the score is to seven, the more satisfied with life the respondents are. Singaporean women were also found to be 'significantly' more materialistic than American women. They polled an average of 3.98, compared to the American women's score of 3.74. The closer the score is to five, the more materialistic one is deemed to be.
While the study did not ask respondents for the reasons behind their answers, Prof Li feels that the relentless rat race and high cost of living are possible reasons Singaporeans are less happy with life and are more inclined to go after money and success.
While it is expensive to live in major US cities such as New York or Los Angeles, there are plenty of places in the US to 'live comfortably' for a lot less money than in Singapore. 'It's not that hard to buy a house and car in the US,' he said.
Besides, with the globalised economy and outsourcing, Singaporeans are vulnerable to losing their jobs to a foreigner any time. 'People can't really relax. Can you really get to the point where you feel comfortable? People just don't get to that point any more,' he noted.
Also, Singaporeans, like other Asians, tend to worry more about life than Westerners, who are 'more relaxed' and more comfortable with facing the unknown.
'I think you have to work really hard and succeed before you can relax here,' he said. 'On average, people in the West are able to enjoy life as they go along. They are not going to kill themselves to succeed.'
So what is the bottom line?
He pronounced: 'Materialism is a double-edged sword.' While materialistic values spur the economy to greater heights, they dampens people's desire for family and children.
His research shows that people who are less satisfied with life and value material success more are less likely to view marriage and procreation 'favourably'. For career-minded women, having children - or more children for that matter - is a drain on their time and resources.
With more women taking on high-flying jobs and their expectations of their partners rising as their own earning power soars, he reckoned getting the dismal birth rate up will be 'very, very difficult' unless a shift in values away from materialism towards more pro-family values occurs.
But beyond saying that more monetary incentives are unlikely to spur the stork to visit more often, he refused to delve further into pro-natal incentives that will work, insisting that is not his area.
His research mainly explores 'what do people really look for in mates' and the science of attraction, love and lust in people, he maintained.
So has knowing all about women's psyche helped in his own pursuit of happiness? Prof Li is the first to admit he has had 'mixed success' and made 'lots of mistakes' in his love life, despite his vast research on the topic. His first marriage, to a former postgraduate course mate, broke down after four years due to 'different values'.
'There's a difference between knowing what you should do and doing it. Doing it is not always easy,' he said. 'I'm reasonably confident that I can tell when someone is interested in me. I can generally interest someone who might be interested in me but I could use more work in the relationship maintenance department.'
Any wonder the men behave the way they do?
Money talks when S'pore women say 'I love you'
Survey finding may be a reason for low birth rate, as materialistic people value family less
By Theresa Tan
BLAME the material girl for Singapore's baby woes.
Cupid and the stork had no luck last year, with the number of marriages and babies born dipping to yet another record low.
New research by Singapore Management University (SMU) psychology professor Norman Li could shed some light on Singapore's ever-shrinking birth rate. His study, published earlier this year, shows that Singaporean women are 'significantly' more materialistic than their American peers.
When it comes to looking for a potential spouse, the top criterion for Singaporean women is a man's social status. Next on the list is kindness, followed by a lively personality. In contrast, American women value kindness the most, followed by looks, then a man's social standing.
Prof Li did not ask his subjects for their reasons but said he is not surprised by the finding. 'Maybe Singaporean women are just being realistic. Here, you need a lot of money to survive and afford an affluent lifestyle. Maybe they are just being practical,' he said.
He and his associates surveyed about 400 psychology students aged between 19 and 21, studying at the SMU and the Northern Illinois University near Chicago in the United States, on their attitudes towards marriage, children and preferences when it comes to choosing a partner.
The study found no major differences when it comes to men: Both American and Singaporean men went for looks first. The second most important trait in a spouse for men was kindness and the third was a lively personality.
'Men are wired to go for looks,' he explained, adding that a woman's physical attractiveness is a visual cue for fertility. Features such as 'soft skin, full-looking lips and colourful cheeks' are not just attractive, but also associated with youth, which indicates a woman's fertility. That is why men tend to go for younger women, he explained.
Prof Li, a 45-year-old American-born Chinese, knows this first-hand. His American wife, Ruth, is 21 years his junior. Mrs Li, now a housewife, was his student when he was lecturing at the University of Texas at Austin before he came to Singapore in 2008. They have a two-year-old son, Jasper.
His research also showed that the pursuit of material success is at odds with the desire to settle down and have babies. 'Lots of past research have shown that the more materialistic you are, the less you place value on having friends and family,' he said.
It's a simple trade-off, he added. We have only so much time and energy, and chasing one goal means giving up another ideal.
Another possible factor has to do with one's source for fulfilment, whether it is strong family ties or material success. He said: 'If you have good relationships, you may not need to value material things because you already feel good.'
However, he noted that research has not determined which comes first: 'Do people pursue material goals and then abandon friends and family, or is it because they are no good at having friends and family and so they make up for it by grabbing onto material things?'
He said he decided to study Singapore's baby woes from a psychological perspective after learning that it was an utmost national concern. By and large, he noted, wealthier countries tend to have lower birth rates. Yet 'significant differences' still occur among countries which enjoy similar levels of economic development, he said.
That is why he decided to compare Singapore and the US. Singapore ranks ninth out of 229 countries, while the US takes the 10th place, in terms of per capita gross domestic product, according to the Central Intelligence Agency World Factbook.
Yet the US' total fertility rate (TFR) at 2.05 in 2009 was almost double Singapore's rate of 1.22. Last year, Singapore's TFR, which measures the average number of children a woman will bear in her lifetime, sank to a historic low of 1.16.
Only 37,967 babies were born last year, the lowest number since 2005 when Singapore saw 37,492 births, despite the surge in the number of new citizens and permanent residents in recent years. And only 24,363 couples tied the knot last year - the lowest since 2007, when 23,966 couples wed.
In a Family Research Network forum presentation on singlehood at the National University of Singapore last month, Prof Li pointed out that Singaporeans - both men and women - are 'significantly' less satisfied with life than Americans.
Americans scored an average of five, while Singaporeans came in at 4.38 in his study. The closer the score is to seven, the more satisfied with life the respondents are. Singaporean women were also found to be 'significantly' more materialistic than American women. They polled an average of 3.98, compared to the American women's score of 3.74. The closer the score is to five, the more materialistic one is deemed to be.
While the study did not ask respondents for the reasons behind their answers, Prof Li feels that the relentless rat race and high cost of living are possible reasons Singaporeans are less happy with life and are more inclined to go after money and success.
While it is expensive to live in major US cities such as New York or Los Angeles, there are plenty of places in the US to 'live comfortably' for a lot less money than in Singapore. 'It's not that hard to buy a house and car in the US,' he said.
Besides, with the globalised economy and outsourcing, Singaporeans are vulnerable to losing their jobs to a foreigner any time. 'People can't really relax. Can you really get to the point where you feel comfortable? People just don't get to that point any more,' he noted.
Also, Singaporeans, like other Asians, tend to worry more about life than Westerners, who are 'more relaxed' and more comfortable with facing the unknown.
'I think you have to work really hard and succeed before you can relax here,' he said. 'On average, people in the West are able to enjoy life as they go along. They are not going to kill themselves to succeed.'
So what is the bottom line?
He pronounced: 'Materialism is a double-edged sword.' While materialistic values spur the economy to greater heights, they dampens people's desire for family and children.
His research shows that people who are less satisfied with life and value material success more are less likely to view marriage and procreation 'favourably'. For career-minded women, having children - or more children for that matter - is a drain on their time and resources.
With more women taking on high-flying jobs and their expectations of their partners rising as their own earning power soars, he reckoned getting the dismal birth rate up will be 'very, very difficult' unless a shift in values away from materialism towards more pro-family values occurs.
But beyond saying that more monetary incentives are unlikely to spur the stork to visit more often, he refused to delve further into pro-natal incentives that will work, insisting that is not his area.
His research mainly explores 'what do people really look for in mates' and the science of attraction, love and lust in people, he maintained.
So has knowing all about women's psyche helped in his own pursuit of happiness? Prof Li is the first to admit he has had 'mixed success' and made 'lots of mistakes' in his love life, despite his vast research on the topic. His first marriage, to a former postgraduate course mate, broke down after four years due to 'different values'.
'There's a difference between knowing what you should do and doing it. Doing it is not always easy,' he said. 'I'm reasonably confident that I can tell when someone is interested in me. I can generally interest someone who might be interested in me but I could use more work in the relationship maintenance department.'
Yeah different cultures different morals. What a life right?
Some can have 4 wives, some can have many mistresses, some can play a lot... depends...
Regarding crossing the line:
1) iS IT ok then to finger her or get her to do a hj for you? or a bj/
2) is it ok to kiss fondle everywhere but no sex?
Some can have 4 wives, some can have many mistresses, some can play a lot... depends...
Regarding crossing the line:
1) iS IT ok then to finger her or get her to do a hj for you? or a bj/
2) is it ok to kiss fondle everywhere but no sex?
Bro not fair to paint us as extreme cases.... For all you know we may be doing the occassional straying too and maybe still would not want any other partner other than our wifes...
So why tar us?
Why mar our reputation....
Dun worry me not angry.....
What i am saying is that most Spore men in that 80-90% you talking off are doing it at one time or the other...
So why tar us?
Why mar our reputation....
Dun worry me not angry.....
What i am saying is that most Spore men in that 80-90% you talking off are doing it at one time or the other...
We all know that Singaporean men go Changi village for Ah Kua ??
Singapore men go Desker road for Thai ah kua
They go Orchard Towers for pinay/ahkua
they go KTVs
they go MPs
they go Music lounges like Da Lu / papaya garden / midnight lounge etc....
Even prc girls go hdb estates to capture the ah peks heart....
so are we kidding anyone here by saying that most singapore men are saints/
What about the pubs in tanjong pagar?
What about joo chiat that is now cleaned out?
What about paramount hotel bars?
What about Katong bars?
What about Chinatown side/
What about the huge number of Singapore cars that trawl geylang?
What about the Singapore men who overseas for sexcations or sex vacations?
Batam/thailand/malaysia etc
Hey comeon guys and girls who are we kidding?
Lets admit what is the truth....
all of the above opportunities are catered primarily to singapore men not foreignners. if bangla go geylang the pimp dun even accept him
Singapore men go Desker road for Thai ah kua
They go Orchard Towers for pinay/ahkua
they go KTVs
they go MPs
they go Music lounges like Da Lu / papaya garden / midnight lounge etc....
Even prc girls go hdb estates to capture the ah peks heart....
so are we kidding anyone here by saying that most singapore men are saints/
What about the pubs in tanjong pagar?
What about joo chiat that is now cleaned out?
What about paramount hotel bars?
What about Katong bars?
What about Chinatown side/
What about the huge number of Singapore cars that trawl geylang?
What about the Singapore men who overseas for sexcations or sex vacations?
Batam/thailand/malaysia etc
Hey comeon guys and girls who are we kidding?
Lets admit what is the truth....
all of the above opportunities are catered primarily to singapore men not foreignners. if bangla go geylang the pimp dun even accept him
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