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Letter to Minister George Yeo

ChaoPappyPoodle

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The real solid Indian talents are in the US... they typically go there to do post grad studies and end up working and staying there...

Everybody knows that. The same goes to those from China and the Philippines. Only the crap that can't make it to North America will come here and hope to make it there some day.

The PAP knows that but it doesn't give a damn. As long as its GLCs and minion companies get projects in these countries, it will sell out their citizens.

No other country in the world has a government that sells out its citizens in the manner that the fascist PAP has. Can you imagine guaranteeing jobs to foreigners instead of your own citizens.

This is how farked up can fascist pigs can be. :oIo:
 

kojakbt

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The Indian Programmer Myth

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ogrammer/articleshow/msid-1633868,curpg-1.cms


Most software professionals in India are not programmers, they are mere coders,” says a senior executive from a global consultancy firm, who has helped Nasscom in researching its industry reports.

In industry parlance, coders are akin to smart assembly line workers as opposed to programmers who are plant engineers. Programmers are the brains, the glorious visionaries who create things. Large software programmes that often run into billions of lines are designed and developed by a handful of programmers.

Coders follow instructions to write, evaluate and test small components of the large program. As a computer science student in IIT Mumbai puts it if programming requires a post graduate level of knowledge of complex algorithms and programming methods, coding requires only high school knowledge of the subject.

Coding is also the grime job. It is repetitive and monotonous. Coders know that. They feel stuck in their jobs. They have fallen into the trap of the software hype and now realise that though their status is glorified in the society, intellectually they are stranded.
 

Ramseth

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Forget IIT and IIM. Those are Johnny-come-latelys. I say we should concentrate on the graduates from Universities like the University of Bombay - Real Universities.

The dips. and bachs. and masters (from wherever, not only India) are the real threats to the jobs Singaporeans want, can do and need to survive on. Ironically, what's needed are not foreign "talents" real or not but foreigh "trash," uneducated workers willing and able to work in essential industries and services for low wages to keep general living costs low, lowering the pressure on the economic livelihoods of Singaporeans.

Let me ask anyone middle class earning, say S$3k to 5k p.m. You want an FT to come and offer S$2k to 4k to take over your job or an FW to come here to be your maid for a few hundred dollars, clean up your hawker centres and neighbourhoods for a few hundred dollars?

Why does government want FTs here to compete for jobs with you citizens? The only reason I can guess is to keep the wages down and reliance on government high. Only some trusted and privileged few are allowed to get rich and become financially independent enough to challenge government politics, but most of them won't since they're already in that circle. The vast majority middle class must be kept on toes, hands-to-mouths.
 

cass888

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Of course you will be out of here. Scums like you can only survive by scavenging on others wealth. You can't create anything of value on your own!

You and your fascist ideals cannot survive in a true democracy based on capitalist ideals. You need fascists to rule and for you to feed on te crumbs that your fascist masters throw on the floor for you and your family to pick up and you call that wealth.

Learn to have some dignity. Your posts show the worm-like nature of your being and existence.

Don't worry buar (boy, in case you don't understand). I am quite happy in any true blue capitalist system. It is when governments start playing Robin Hood, or start chasing away the real entrepreneurs that I worry.

You're the one who needs dignity. You are crying out for handouts. I am happy with any system which lets the fittest survive. You're just a worm who is unhappy at being left behind. :biggrin:
 

kojakbt

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From TR forum:

<cite class="fn">OMG:</cite>September 27, 2010 at 11:20 pm
@Parent:
September 27, 2010 at 4:19 pm
I got three India indian neighbours since early this year and I can tell you every day I got 3 to 4 types of stinking smell coming from their HDB flat. Their curry smell is so thick and intense that its like they put tonnes of onion and garlic into it. The put their laundry along corridor and it smells stink!
@Indian workers are a potential time bomb for Singapore:
September 27, 2010 at 8:20 pm
India only has few percentage who are real good ones. They are already being employed at home or in developed
western countries. The rest are not good and mostly unemployed and unfortunately they are the ones who come to Singapore.
They are going to drive down productivity and quality of our IT services – both Software development and Operation & Support.
Time bomb (problematic softwares) is already building up in some critical systems as banking system. More clients will
complain about their software or web sites developed/supported by these cheaters. The media is not going to report the
problems but you can read it from the Internet.
I won’t be surprised more than 80% of their degrees are not in government list of recognised universities.
Singapore may be forced by India to recognise some of the average India universities for whatever reasons.
Because they are not humble in nature, they tend to be irritating. Not surprised they are beaten in Australia in a place
where people are more racist than british.
 

kojakbt

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From TR Forum:

Want some cheese with that Whine?:
September 27, 2010 at 3:01 pm

My parents were from India who came to Singapore a long time ago. My dad was working with Philips in India, and was one of the best electronics engineers there, and during a time when most universities did not even have engineering courses (mid 60’s), he was one of the first in the country to embark on this field. He was brought to Singapore by Philips not because he was ‘cheap’ (he was making $6-7k in 1990, by no means a small amount) but because he was ‘valuable’. Twenty years later we are all Singapore citizens, all of his sons (three of us) did NS except my dad who was too old to serve (although he wanted to as a PR, and even went to CMPB but he, at 46, was beyond enlistment age).

This report scares us for this reason:

I am an MOE trained teacher teaching at a private school. Already 80% of the teachers here are from India who are obviously not ‘talent’. Most of them don’t even have teaching qualifications. They earn far less than MOE teachers but because of them, anyone wanting to leave MOE is looking at a paycut of anything between $1000-$1500 with 5 years of teaching experience. Worse, my own job is going to go away because they have found another teacher from India who is willing to come here for 2/3 of what I am getting.

I am not worried about my situation, as I plan on leaving classroom teaching anyway, but I feel for all those teachers here who are working with the sword of Damocles hanging over their heads. Most teachers from India who come here have no teaching qualifications. They have basic degrees from average to good universities there and are not bad people personally, but do we really need them here? Our own teachers in MOE are being subjected to ridiculous amounts of pressure and stress. Most of them can’t find work elsewhere because teaching is not seen as a transferable skill in the private world, and the last thing someone who is 30 with a family can do is take entry leve lpay all over again in a private company hoping to rise in the corporate world. It used to be that they could switch to a less stressful, and comparable pay job in the private education sector but not any more. The industry is overrun by people from India and China. They depress wages to an insane level and we don’t even get job security as a tradeoff for low wages. When leaving MOE I explored a couple of schools as options and one of them even asked if I will work fulltime for $2.5k! (Remember, no bonuses, no overtime pay, no performance bonus, insane work hours..)

Do we really need MORE of them from India when there are so many young Singaporeans who are jobless? My brother runs a photography company. He got tired of applying for jobs after graduating and getting rejected each time without even a second look or interview in favour of people from PRC and India. As an environmental engineer he was promised a bright future in an emerging field, but all that was simply bullshit. Now he is making good money as a photographer but he is one of the few lucky Singaporeans who had something to fall back on. His company employs a few talented photographers from his school, and he actually employs Singaporeans, prefering them over PRCs and Indians. He tells me of his friends who are STILL job hunting (4 years after graduating), or doing things like selling insurance, trying to sell property, doing things they obviously have no interest in just to make some money.. and they want to bring MORE people here?!

Do we really need more CHEFS?!

Do we really need more physiotherapists when there are so many graduating out of our polytechnics?!

Do we really need more ENTERTAINMENT?!

Strange, how Singapore has changed in the 20 years. From a country where hard work was almost guaranteed with some level of success, it has become a situation where your race, citizenship and connections matter. The very things my father came here 20 years ago to avoid.

I find some of the comments made by posters against Indians and PRCs disconcerting. They are not bad people, and they are here just to get a better life for them and their families, but why is our government so openly courting them? Are we that desperate for people? Our own people are jobless and we want to get more people here to compete with us?! It makes no sense to me.

I was always told by my parents that we have to be vigilant against complacency, but now it seems that we have to be perpetually scared of losing our livelihoods and future simply because someone somewhere decided to send more people here. Is this any way to live?!
 

silverfox@

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The dips. and bachs. and masters (from wherever, not only India) are the real threats to the jobs Singaporeans want, can do and need to survive on. Ironically, what's needed are not foreign "talents" real or not but foreigh "trash," uneducated workers willing and able to work in essential industries and services for low wages to keep general living costs low, lowering the pressure on the economic livelihoods of Singaporeans.

We don't want Foreign "Talents" but want Foreign "Trash". Hmmm, how to bring this across to the Ministers? :p
 

kojakbt

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Many doctors in India with fake degrees... hope they don't come to Singapore...


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Beware of quacks even in pvt hospitals

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/95637/India/Beware+of+quacks+even+in+pvt+hospitals.html

The menace of quackery appears to have spread to reputed nursing homes and large corporate hospitals all over the city, investigations by Delhi's medical regulatory authority have revealed.

A drive launched by the Delhi Medical Council (DMC) found quacks with fake degrees and fake licences working in leading corporate hospitals.

The hospitals include Max Balaji Hospital, Dharamshila Cancer Hospital, Batra Hospital, Rockland Hospital as well as other private hospitals - Mata Chanan Devi, Sant Parmanand, Sundar Lal Jain, Sri Action Balaji Medical Institute, Jeevan Mala, Ayushman, Shanti Mukund, Deepak Memorial and Jeevan Anmol.

This is shocking because so far the presence of quacks was thought to be a problem only in slums and rural areas of Delhi, and restricted to privately run clinics or dispensaries. The fact that quacks have invaded even large corporate hospitals and some of the well known older hospitals could send shivers down spines of citizens.

In the past one year, about 25 quacks posing as doctors were found working in over one dozen private hospitals. All of them have been suspended by respective hospitals and FIRs have been registered in area police stations by DMC. Many of the cases are currently being heard in different courts.

"It only shows that the problem of quackery is much more serious than we would have thought," said council secretary Dr Girish Tyagi. " Now I suspect there could be more fake doctors working in the city's hospitals and nursing homes." Most of those caught in private hospitals were working as assistants to senior doctors or as Resident Medical Officers ( RMOs). Though junior in rank, RMOs handle important tasks in a hospital when patients are admitted in emergency and are the only doctors on night shifts.

They also maintain contact with patients in the absence of seniors and specialists.

The drive was launched last year after several cases of fake doctors came to light at a private hospital in east Delhi. In fact, the hospital - Shanti Mukund - approached the council on its own following suspicion about some of its medical staff. It sent certificates of registration of eight doctors to DMC for verification.

Seven of them were found to be forged. " The shocking aspect was that these people had forged DMC registration certificates," recalled Tyagi.

After this, the council wrote to all hospitals and nursing homes registered with the Delhi Health Services to get their doctors verified with it. Many hospitals complied and sent copies of registration certificates and licences of their doctors for verification.

A close scrutiny of these documents and searches in the DMC database - which contains details of about 45,000 doctors - led to the discovery of quacks in several corporate hospitals.

Most other big hospitals did not have any quacks on their rolls.

"The problem is that most hospitals, in a hurry to recruit doctors, don't even check original MBBS degrees before appointing doctors. It is a clear case of negligence on the part of these hospitals," Tyagi said. " If a fake doctor is operating from a hospital's premise, it points to illegal activity." He said the council is now planning to extend the drive to government hospitals as well.

"Quackery is definitely not limited to slums. We have found quacks operating from posh localities such as Greater Kailash, and even advertising on television and on the internet," pointed out Dr Anil Bansal, head of the anti- quackery cell of the Indian Medical Association ( IMA), a top body of doctors. " Big hospitals also hire unqualified doctors and often with specialist degrees and diplomas which may not have been recognised by the

Medical Council of India." Bansal estimates that the number of quacks operating in the Delhi region would be close to 40,000 which is almost the same number as registered practitioners of allopathic, Ayurveda and homeopathic systems.

In some cases, the local police is found protecting quacks.

Among the hospitals that sent their staff's papers for verification was Munjal Maternity and Nursing Centre in Shashtri Nagar. It sent a list of eight doctors, but held back papers of one Darshan Kaur. The papers that were sent were all found to be in order. This gave rise to suspicion, following which the DMC registered a case against her in a local police station. A few days later, the police informed the council that since the lady in question was not traceable the case was being closed.

Then a DMC official called up the nursing home posing as a patient and sought an appointment with Kaur, who was said to be missing. An appointment was promptly given. Kaur was finally arrested after Tyagi informed the joint commissioner of police about the local cops shielding Kaur, who turned out to be wife of the doctor who owned the nursing home.

Along with the police, Tyagi said, the judiciary also needs to be sensitised about the issue.

"We have evolved procedures to simplify the executive and judicial process to book offenders. As a result many quacks are being denied bail," he said. A request has also been made to the Delhi High Court through the state government to appoint special magistrates for a speedy trial against quacks.
 

kojakbt

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Second-rung B-schools churning out 'unemployable' graduates?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nemployable-graduates/articleshow/6105359.cms

NOIDA/NEW DELHI: Gaurav Kapoor completed his MBA from a Greater Noida institute, but the two year diploma couldn't get him a job he wanted and he finally joined a BPO. He is among the thousands who are virtually "unemployable" as the second rung B-schools they studied in failed to impart the necessary soft skills.

A report from NASSCOM says only 10 percent of fresh graduates are actually employable. A similar survey of MBA and engineering graduates reveals only 25 percent of them are employable.
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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Don't worry buar (boy, in case you don't understand). I am quite happy in any true blue capitalist system. It is when governments start playing Robin Hood, or start chasing away the real entrepreneurs that I worry.

You're the one who needs dignity. You are crying out for handouts. I am happy with any system which lets the fittest survive. You're just a worm who is unhappy at being left behind. :biggrin:

I have made more than my fair share and without having to comprise on my principles.

People like you are only interested in gaining wealth from others misery. That is fascism and you are a fascist pig! You don't even understand what capitalism means. You have been embroiled in fascism and everything you say shows that fascist pig that is you. Don't give capitalism a bad name. Please promote your ideals as fascist ideals and not capitalism.

The best countries in the world are capitalist countries. You and your PAP fascist masters have created a mess of Singapore under the guise of democracy and capitalism.

The PAP is not democratic and neither is it a capitalist. It is a fascist political party through and through. What capitalism is there when the state owns so many large businesses? What capitalism is there when the state and its companies are the largest employer in the land?

You don't even know what the hell you're talking about. Go and learn some manners and gain some proper knowledge. It's bad enough that you are ignorant but do you really have to compound it with foolishness?
 

ivebert

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I rather George Yeo not reply to this and focus on important FA works!

Afterall we are paying him a few million a year. Replying to emails like this will make us lugi!
 

cass888

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The best countries in the world are capitalist countries. You and your PAP fascist masters have created a mess of Singapore under the guise of democracy and capitalism.

I don't think you have fucking clue about what you are talking about :oIo:

Ask you to name the countries and I suspect you will rattle off a string of socialist countries, almost bordering on communist :oIo:

You spew out communist bullshit and say you are capitalist? :oIo:

People like you are only interested in gaining wealth from others misery.

Correction. People like me are only interested in gaining wealth, period. Why would I care if it is from others' misery?
 

rodent2005

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If i see an email with Temasek Review in it, i will thrash it away, LOL :biggrin::biggrin:

Please do what you damn well please and bo hiew feedback from Singaporeans but don't be caught by surprise (again) when you find yourself suddenly out of a job after the next election.
 

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Redrafted reply, from George Yeo to Kojakbt and Silverfox :

I'm puzzled why are you writing to me about this. For your information, I'm the Minister for Foreign Affairs, not for foreign workers. Please write to the Minister for Manpower. If you're concerned about how the ongoing FTA negotiation can affect this matter, it's under the purview of the Minister for Trade and Industry. Thanks. Yours.

The nitty gritty details are trashed out by MOM and MTI but ultimately the team is led by MFA.
 

Ramseth

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The nitty gritty details are trashed out by MOM and MTI but ultimately the team is led by MFA.

Redraft 2:

I'm puzzled why are you writing to me about this. For your information, I'm the Minister for Foreign Affairs, not for foreign workers. Please write to the Minister for Manpower. If you're concerned about how the ongoing FTA negotiation can affect this matter, it's under the purview of the Minister for Trade and Industry. My ministry leads the team for diplomatic protocol and formality only. For enquiries about the details, you still have to write to them. Thanks. Yours.
 

kojakbt

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Redraft 2:

I'm puzzled why are you writing to me about this. For your information, I'm the Minister for Foreign Affairs, not for foreign workers. Please write to the Minister for Manpower. If you're concerned about how the ongoing FTA negotiation can affect this matter, it's under the purview of the Minister for Trade and Industry. My ministry leads the team for diplomatic protocol and formality only. For enquiries about the details, you still have to write to them. Thanks. Yours.

Dear George,

Oh... in that case, may I ask what color shirt you would be wearing when you are negotiating with the Indian team?
 

kingrant

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Dear George,

You are the Minister for Foreigners' Accidents. What the fucks is the status of the extradition of Ionescu?

Redraft 2:

I'm puzzled why are you writing to me about this. For your information, I'm the Minister for Foreign Affairs, not for foreign workers. Please write to the Minister for Manpower. If you're concerned about how the ongoing FTA negotiation can affect this matter, it's under the purview of the Minister for Trade and Industry. My ministry leads the team for diplomatic protocol and formality only. For enquiries about the details, you still have to write to them. Thanks. Yours.
 

Ramseth

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Dear George,

Oh... in that case, may I ask what color shirt you would be wearing when you are negotiating with the Indian team?

Redraft 3:

I'm puzzled why are you writing to me about this. For your information, I'm the Minister for Foreign Affairs, not for foreign workers. Please write to the Minister for Manpower. If you're concerned about how the ongoing FTA negotiation can affect this matter, it's under the purview of the Minister for Trade and Industry. My ministry leads the team for diplomatic protocol and formality only. For enquiries about the details, you still have to write to them.

I'm also puzzled why you're concerned about what I wear during then negotiation. Firstly, I don't negotiate with them. MOM, MTI and if necessitated PMO (PM, SM or MM) do that. I sign whatever that's agreed upon according to protocol. Secondly, I usually wear my black Saville Row suit. However, if the political image consultant advises that I wear white Mumbai sarong or Punjab turban for the occasion, I shall consider. Thanks. Yours.
 

kojakbt

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George Yeo has replied on his facebook:

George Yeo wrote:

"Recognising foreign qualifications is a different matter from the control of overall numbers allowed into Singapore. Provided the standards are high, it is good to widen our sourcing; it gives us more choice. Govt does not intend to let in foreigners without control. However, we can only protect PMETs from international competition to a certain degree. Beyond that, companies will oursource or investments will flow elsewhere."
 

annexa

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George Yeo has replied on his facebook:

George Yeo wrote:

"Beyond that, companies will oursource or investments will flow elsewhere."

So all the cock and bull about having a world class government will attract investments and retain companies is fake?
 
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