• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Koran's Science: The Earth is FLAT

duluxe

Alfrescian
Loyal
A Saudi Arabian cleric has claimed that the Earth does not orbit the sun and is in fact stationary, making the opposite true.
Sheikh Bandar al-Khaibari stunned students at a university in the United Arab Emirates on Sunday by telling them the Earth is “stationary and does not move”, Al Arabiya reported.

A video of the Muslim cleric’s lecture showed him using a cup of water in an attempt to debunk the theory that the world rotates as it orbits the sun.



“Focus with me, this is Earth;” he said, holding the cup.
“If you say that it rotates, if we leave Sharjah airport (in the UAE) on an international flight to China, the earth is rotating, right?

“So if the plane stops still on air, wouldn't China be coming towards it? True or not?”
Waving the cup and his hand round in a circle, he went on to claim: “If the earth rotates in the other direction, the plane will not be able to get to China because China is also rotating.”

The Earth's rotation does not affect flight times because the atmosphere moves with it, scientists say
Sheikh al-Khaibari has previously claimed astronauts never went to the moon, dismissing Nasa’s moon landing footage as a Hollywood fake, Al Arabiya reported.
The video of him discussing the Earth’s rotation emerged on the birthday of 16th Century Italian astronomer Galileo Galilei, famed for his support for the long-proven Copernican theory that the planets orbit the sun.



He also employed other clerics’ statements and religious texts to support his latest theory but it was not enough to convince critics on Twitter.
The hashtag #داعية_ينفي_دوران_الأرض, meaning #cleric_rejects_rotation_of_Earth briefly trended after the speech.
 

duluxe

Alfrescian
Loyal
In this analysis, we look at direct references to the shape of the Earth in the Qur'an. Verse 88:20 is particularly worth highlighting for its use of a word that was deeply associated with flat surfaces.

Arabic word definitions in English are from Lane's Lexicon of classical Arabic (not to be confused with modern Arabic). Note that the Arabic word al-ard can mean the land or the Earth. However, it is perfectly obvious from the context that in the verses below al-ard means the entire Earth, not a local area of land.

The section after this one discusses indirect evidence that the Qur'an supports a flat Earth model, and perhaps contains even stronger evidence than the direct statements below.

Qur'an 2:22 - firashan (thing spread to sit or lie upon)
ٱلَّذِى جَعَلَ لَكُمُ ٱلْأَرْضَ فِرَٰشًاوَٱلسَّمَآءَ بِنَآءً وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مَآءً فَأَخْرَجَ بِهِۦ مِنَ ٱلثَّمَرَٰتِ رِزْقًا لَّكُمْ ۖ فَلَا تَجْعَلُوا۟ لِلَّهِ أَندَادًا وَأَنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ
Allathee jaAAala lakumu alarda firashan
[He] who made for you the earth a bed [spread out] and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know [that there is nothing similar to Him].
Quran 2:22
فِرَٰشًا = firashan = a thing that is spread upon the ground, a thing that is spread for one to sit or lie upon.[4]

Qur'an 15:19 - madad (extend, stretch out)
والارض مددناهاوالقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل شئ موزون
Waal-arda madadnaha waalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli shay-in mawzoonin
And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
Quran 15:19
مَدَدْ = madad = extend by drawing or pulling, stretch out, expand[5]

Qur'an 20:53 - mahdan (bed)
الذي جعل لكم الارض مهداوسلك لكم فيها سبلا وانزل من السماء ماء فاخرجنا به ازواجا من نبات شتى
Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda mahdan wasalaka lakum feeha subulan waanzala mina alssama-imaan faakhrajna bihi azwajan min nabatinshatta
He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
Quran 20:53
مَهْدًا = mahdan = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse[6]

Qur'an 43:10 - mahdan (bed)
الذي جعل لكم الارض مهداوجعل لكم فيها سبلا لعلكم تهتدون
Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda mahdan wajaAAala lakum feeha subulan laAAallakum tahtadoona
(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);
Quran 43:10
مَهْدًا = mahdan = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse[7]

Qur'an 50:7 - madad (expand, stretch out)
والارض مددناهاوالقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل زوج بهيج
Waal-arda madadnaha waalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli zawjin baheejin
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
Quran 50:7
مَدَدْ = madad = extend by drawing or pulling, stretch out, expand[8]

Qur'an 51:48 - farasha (spread out) mahidoon (spreaders)
والارض فرشناها فنعم الماهدون
Waal-arda farashnaha faniAAma almahidoona
And the earth have We laid out, how gracious is the Spreader (thereof)!
Quran 51:48
فَرَشَْ = farasha (see also 2:22 above for the noun) = spread or expand, spread a bed or carpet[9]

الْمَهِدُونَ = mahidoon from مهد = make plain, even, smooth, spread a bed[10]

There is also a hadith in which the plural noun furushaat is used, meaning "beds":

It was narrated from Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “I see what you do not see, and I hear what you do not hear. The heaven is creaking and it should creak, for there is no space in it the width of four fingers but there is an angel there, prostrating to Allah. By Allah, if you knew what I know, you would laugh little and weep much, and you would never enjoy women in your beds (الْفُرُشَاتِ, al-furushaat), and you would go out in the streets, beseeching Allah.’”
Sunan Ibn Majah 5:37:4190
Qur'an 71:19 - bisaatan (carpet)
والله جعل لكم الارض بساطا
WaAllahu jaAAala lakumu al-arda bisatan
And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),
Quran 71:19
بِسَاطًا = bisaatan = A thing that is spread or spread out or forth, and particularly a carpet (from the same root we also have بَسَاطٌ = bisaatun = Land, expanded and even; and wide or spacious) [11]

This word is also used in a hadith in At-Tirmidhi:

... Then he came to hug the Prophet (s.a.w) and uttered that his father and mother should be ransomed for him. Then he went to grove of his and he spread out a mat for them (فَبَسَطَ لَهُمْ بِسَاطًا, fa-basata la-hum bisaatan, literally "and-(he)spread for-them a-mat"). Then he went to a date-palm and returned with a cluster of dates which he put down. ...
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2369
So the derived verb basata refers to spreading out (thus flattening) a carpet.

Qur'an 78:6-7 - mihadan (bed)
أَلَمْ نَجْعَلِ ٱلْأَرْضَ مِهَٰدًا وَٱلْجِبَالَ أَوْتَادًا
Alam najAAali al-arda mihadan Waaljibala awtadan
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs?
Quran 78:6-7
مِهَٰدًا (same as مَهْدًا mahdan) = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse[12]

Qur'an 79:30 - daha (spread out or ostrich egg?)
Many Islamist apologists attempt to deflect criticism that the Qur'an promotes the mistaken belief of a flat earth by the word دَحَىٰهَآ (dahaha) used in Qur'an 79:30, commonly translated as ‘He spread it’ or ‘He stretched it’.

Arabic:والارض بعد ذلك دحاها
Transliteration: Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha
Literal: And the earth/Planet Earth after that He stretched/spread it. [13]
Quran 79:30
Word by word:

In this analysis, we look at direct references to the shape of the Earth in the Qur'an. Verse 88:20 is particularly worth highlighting for its use of a word that was deeply associated with flat surfaces.

Arabic word definitions in English are from Lane's Lexicon of classical Arabic (not to be confused with modern Arabic). Note that the Arabic word al-ard can mean the land or the Earth. However, it is perfectly obvious from the context that in the verses below al-ard means the entire Earth, not a local area of land.

The section after this one discusses indirect evidence that the Qur'an supports a flat Earth model, and perhaps contains even stronger evidence than the direct statements below.

Qur'an 2:22 - firashan (thing spread to sit or lie upon)
ٱلَّذِى جَعَلَ لَكُمُ ٱلْأَرْضَ فِرَٰشًاوَٱلسَّمَآءَ بِنَآءً وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مَآءً فَأَخْرَجَ بِهِۦ مِنَ ٱلثَّمَرَٰتِ رِزْقًا لَّكُمْ ۖ فَلَا تَجْعَلُوا۟ لِلَّهِ أَندَادًا وَأَنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ
Allathee jaAAala lakumu alarda firashan
[He] who made for you the earth a bed [spread out] and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know [that there is nothing similar to Him].
Quran 2:22
فِرَٰشًا = firashan = a thing that is spread upon the ground, a thing that is spread for one to sit or lie upon.[4]

Qur'an 15:19 - madad (extend, stretch out)
والارض مددناهاوالقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل شئ موزون
Waal-arda madadnaha waalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli shay-in mawzoonin
And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
Quran 15:19
مَدَدْ = madad = extend by drawing or pulling, stretch out, expand[5]

Qur'an 20:53 - mahdan (bed)
الذي جعل لكم الارض مهداوسلك لكم فيها سبلا وانزل من السماء ماء فاخرجنا به ازواجا من نبات شتى
Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda mahdan wasalaka lakum feeha subulan waanzala mina alssama-imaan faakhrajna bihi azwajan min nabatinshatta
He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
Quran 20:53
مَهْدًا = mahdan = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse[6]

Qur'an 43:10 - mahdan (bed)
الذي جعل لكم الارض مهداوجعل لكم فيها سبلا لعلكم تهتدون
Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda mahdan wajaAAala lakum feeha subulan laAAallakum tahtadoona
(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);
Quran 43:10
مَهْدًا = mahdan = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse[7]

Qur'an 50:7 - madad (expand, stretch out)
والارض مددناهاوالقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل زوج بهيج
Waal-arda madadnaha waalqayna feeha rawasiya waanbatnafeeha min kulli zawjin baheejin
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
Quran 50:7
مَدَدْ = madad = extend by drawing or pulling, stretch out, expand[8]

Qur'an 51:48 - farasha (spread out) mahidoon (spreaders)
والارض فرشناها فنعم الماهدون
Waal-arda farashnaha faniAAma almahidoona
And the earth have We laid out, how gracious is the Spreader (thereof)!
Quran 51:48
فَرَشَْ = farasha (see also 2:22 above for the noun) = spread or expand, spread a bed or carpet[9]

الْمَهِدُونَ = mahidoon from مهد = make plain, even, smooth, spread a bed[10]

There is also a hadith in which the plural noun furushaat is used, meaning "beds":

It was narrated from Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “I see what you do not see, and I hear what you do not hear. The heaven is creaking and it should creak, for there is no space in it the width of four fingers but there is an angel there, prostrating to Allah. By Allah, if you knew what I know, you would laugh little and weep much, and you would never enjoy women in your beds (الْفُرُشَاتِ, al-furushaat), and you would go out in the streets, beseeching Allah.’”
Sunan Ibn Majah 5:37:4190
Qur'an 71:19 - bisaatan (carpet)
والله جعل لكم الارض بساطا
WaAllahu jaAAala lakumu al-arda bisatan
And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),
Quran 71:19
بِسَاطًا = bisaatan = A thing that is spread or spread out or forth, and particularly a carpet (from the same root we also have بَسَاطٌ = bisaatun = Land, expanded and even; and wide or spacious) [11]

This word is also used in a hadith in At-Tirmidhi:

... Then he came to hug the Prophet (s.a.w) and uttered that his father and mother should be ransomed for him. Then he went to grove of his and he spread out a mat for them (فَبَسَطَ لَهُمْ بِسَاطًا, fa-basata la-hum bisaatan, literally "and-(he)spread for-them a-mat"). Then he went to a date-palm and returned with a cluster of dates which he put down. ...
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2369
So the derived verb basata refers to spreading out (thus flattening) a carpet.

Qur'an 78:6-7 - mihadan (bed)
أَلَمْ نَجْعَلِ ٱلْأَرْضَ مِهَٰدًا وَٱلْجِبَالَ أَوْتَادًا
Alam najAAali al-arda mihadan Waaljibala awtadan
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs?
Quran 78:6-7
مِهَٰدًا (same as مَهْدًا mahdan) = cradle or bed; a plain, even, or smooth expanse[12]

Qur'an 79:30 - daha (spread out or ostrich egg?)
Many Islamist apologists attempt to deflect criticism that the Qur'an promotes the mistaken belief of a flat earth by the word دَحَىٰهَآ (dahaha) used in Qur'an 79:30, commonly translated as ‘He spread it’ or ‘He stretched it’.

Arabic:والارض بعد ذلك دحاها
Transliteration: Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha
Literal: And the earth/Planet Earth after that He stretched/spread it. [13]
Quran 79:30
Word by word:

  • وَٱلْأَرْضَ
    • وَ - wa - and
    • ٱلْ - al - the
    • أَرْضَ - ard- Earth
      • feminine in Arabic
  • بَعْدَ - ba'ada - after
  • ذَٰلِكَ - dhalika - that
  • دَحَىٰهَآ
    • دَحَىٰ - dahaa- (he) spread
    • هَآ - ha- her
      • or "it" in the English translation, referring to the Earth.
دَحَىٰهَآ is a verb with a suffixed pronoun, so it cannot mean a noun "ostrich egg". In the apologist interpretation the verb would have to mean "he made it in a shape of an ostrich egg". It is absurd to think that such a little word could mean something so complex.

The هَا (-ha) suffix pronoun meaning literally "her" is also repeated in the surrounding verses as a literary device:
 

winnipegjets

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
A Saudi Arabian cleric has claimed that the Earth does not orbit the sun and is in fact stationary, making the opposite true.
Sheikh Bandar al-Khaibari stunned students at a university in the United Arab Emirates on Sunday by telling them the Earth is “stationary and does not move”, Al Arabiya reported.

A video of the Muslim cleric’s lecture showed him using a cup of water in an attempt to debunk the theory that the world rotates as it orbits the sun.



“Focus with me, this is Earth;” he said, holding the cup.
“If you say that it rotates, if we leave Sharjah airport (in the UAE) on an international flight to China, the earth is rotating, right?

“So if the plane stops still on air, wouldn't China be coming towards it? True or not?”
Waving the cup and his hand round in a circle, he went on to claim: “If the earth rotates in the other direction, the plane will not be able to get to China because China is also rotating.”

The Earth's rotation does not affect flight times because the atmosphere moves with it, scientists say
Sheikh al-Khaibari has previously claimed astronauts never went to the moon, dismissing Nasa’s moon landing footage as a Hollywood fake, Al Arabiya reported.
The video of him discussing the Earth’s rotation emerged on the birthday of 16th Century Italian astronomer Galileo Galilei, famed for his support for the long-proven Copernican theory that the planets orbit the sun.



He also employed other clerics’ statements and religious texts to support his latest theory but it was not enough to convince critics on Twitter.
The hashtag #داعية_ينفي_دوران_الأرض, meaning #cleric_rejects_rotation_of_Earth briefly trended after the speech.

This Saudi cleric can be Trump's adviser. They think alike. That explains why Trump is so fond of Saudis. They have so many Trump-like thinkers over there.
 

ilovechinesegal

Alfrescian
Loyal
This Saudi cleric can be Trump's adviser. They think alike. That explains why Trump is so fond of Saudis. They have so many Trump-like thinkers over there.
The Saudi side US! Then which other ME side china? ME some side US some side China? I tot most hate US becos US invade Iraq!
 

Peiweh

Alfrescian
Loyal
This Saudi cleric can be Trump's adviser. They think alike. That explains why Trump is so fond of Saudis. They have so many Trump-like thinkers over there.

Ah I see Sammboy's own Steve Bannon has returned. Have you smooched your far right idols such as Hannity as yet? He and Trump are great friends you know.
 

Rogue Trader

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
There's no doubt the Earth is flat. The land mass we walk on floats on a thick layer of oil ... which is what the Saudis have been pumping out from the ground

Sometimes the oil and seawater start mixing beneath the Earth and that's why we have earthquakes

Allahu akbar!
 

syed putra

Alfrescian
Loyal
The Saudi side US! Then which other ME side china? ME some side US some side China? I tot most hate US becos US invade Iraq!
They were suppose to invade saudi because the 9/11 attackers were from there.but decided to invade Iraq instead just to teach Arabs a lesson not to blow up buildings using US passenger planes again. Till today, Iraq has not recovered. Nearly 20 years later.
 

ilovechinesegal

Alfrescian
Loyal
They were suppose to invade saudi because the 9/11 attackers were from there.but decided to invade Iraq instead just to teach Arabs a lesson not to blow up buildings using US passenger planes again. Till today, Iraq has not recovered. Nearly 20 years later.
Why they dont dare to attack saudi?
 

syed putra

Alfrescian
Loyal
Saudi was the world's largest oil producer. Invade Saudi would have costs the US dearly as the oil fields would have been destroyed by the Saudis. The US will always play nice with the Saudis; money talks loud.
US does not need Saudi oil anymore.
 
Top