This quotation function is so time consuming. This will be my last post before bed.
JA: Oh is it? From the way you were describing things you were actually justifying why the chinese deserved to be discriminated. I trust that wasn't your intention after all.
MO: No, not at all. I am simply saying that if a Chinese Malaysian says he is being discriminated, I would believe him. A Chinese Singaporean, not so. (not unless we throw FTs into the equation).
JA: Oh i see so a singaporean chinese isn't an individual but belongs to a collective now. So that is to say a poor chinese singaporean cannot be discriminated because the big tow kays and politicians are chinese.
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JA: Btw who says discrimination of the chinese isn't felt? If a company owned by a malay discriminates its chinese employees it's felt by the chinese employees. What you're trying to do is indicate all because there are more chinese in higher positions of power and numerical superiority in sg somehow these chinese employees deserve to be discriminated.
MO: I don't feel it, but then again I haven't worked directly for a Malay boss. Neither do I know of many holding middle or upper management roles in SG.
JA: I didn't know you need to work for a malay boss to actually recognize discrimination. Then again it must suck not being able to retort anything back with logic but still needing to reply back even with BS.
I said it is impossible for Chinese Singaporeans ("CS") to be systematically discriminated on the basis of race in Singapore because there are bound to be other CS in the same industry. For example, a CS working in the IT industry may be discriminated in one company. But because there are so many CS in other companies, he cannot therefore say he is disadvantaged for being ethnic Chinese.
I gave you a very obvious hint, that if you can name one, just one industry that makes it difficult for him to find work elsewhere, then you have a case. Easy peasy. But you refuse to name that one example. If you can't, you have to concede this point.
JA: You also have communist tendencies and are all for affirmative action but short of actually admitting it.
MO: You are a sharp one. Yes, I am for affirmative action people of this group if they want to assimilate, but I do not insist they become a melting pot Singaporean by being less Malay. They are Malay Singaporean by birth.[/COLOR]
JA: Pray tell in what manner are malays in sg less assimilated? By not holding high positions of power that they did not attain thru their own merit? Who is insisting that malay singaporeans become less malay? Why are you making up shit? My my so you have admitted you want affirmative action for malays. It's such a joke i had to squeeze it out of you while you were going one whole round refusing to simply say it out.
Assimilation was never part of the initial premise of my argument. I was merely telling you my point of view since you are so keen to know. You made wild claims that I have communist tendencies, and even claimed I said CS were more successful because of unfair policies. Those are serious allegations! You got to back it up!
JA: You try to make it seem like chinese ppl dominate almost all sections of higher learning due to unfair policies
MO: I did not. I simply explained the rationale for why I think Chinese Singaporeans have economic advantage over their Malay counterparts. I would have said they probably don't think it is important.
JA: Well when you get better grades in school when you work hard at your job i suppose you would earn more money and in short you would have an economic advantage. It's just simply the laws of nature. Does someone that worked harder in school somehow deserve to be treated in a less fair manner by the law or society simply because he has accomplished more? No of course not.
Also i tot everyone is their own individual? Why would chinese having more economic advantage over malays matter? After all there are many poor chinese too.
So you agree CS have economic advantage.
There can be many reasons why CS are over-represented in higher learning, which gives that economic advantage. One reason could be the ineffective teaching in school, leading to parents having to supplant school teachers by finding tutors for their children. A child in an economically disadvantaged family, regardless of race, may not be able to afford tutors to help them, thus a vicious cycle can occur for the community if society does not lend a helping hand.
Ah but did I say people who worked hard should be disadvantaged? You "ownself" by creating a straw man to be put down and claimed that I said that. Can see the quote or not?
JA: Lastly i don't ever boast about chinese achievements but rather most of my "silly" rants are to show case discrimination on chinese ppl.
MO: I might have missed it, but how were you discriminated as a Chinese Singaporean? Did macik give you less rice for your padang, or smaller chicken wings?[/COLOR]
JA: Oh yes it comes back to personal experience again right? You see the problem is you are trying to mock me for some supposed personal discrimination that i experienced. I have noticed ppl like you before. When a malay gets discriminated and he is supposedly being discriminated because there are more rich chinese around he has every right to be racist and complain about chinese ppl but if a chinese does that oh yes he probably got discriminated by some malay but it's a big joke that he got discriminated.
Well in any case you don't have anything of worth to retort but just a bunch of juvenile replies laced with a few poorly aimed insults. It's so sad to see someone that actually attempts to engage in intelligent discourse now being reduced to a troll.
Ok bro, I feel you. We need to go back and consult the dictionary.
According to the*United Nations*Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on*race, colour,*descent, or national or*ethnic*origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of*human rights*and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
Let's not get personal. The definition is already very broad. Does any of your perceived injustice fall into the categories stated above?
I also wonder what one has to say about someone that says society ought to discriminate a certain group because they apparently hold economic advantages even if they are a minority in another country. It would figure that such individuals must have little achievements leading to low self worth and esteem so much so they subscribe to a communist mentality of making everyone equal by way of pulling down the high achievers to their lvl so to speak. *wink* *wink* thus actually justifying on their own twisted terms why some groups or races of ppl deserve discrimination rather than following the notion that laws of the land should be fair for everyone based on the principles that laws and standards should be impartial.
