u should try their Russian sourdough. teekee will love it.
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u should try their Russian sourdough. teekee will love it.
battle of moscow - winter of 1941
battle of stalingrad - sept 1942 to feb 1943
battle of kursk - summer of 1943
invasion of sicily - july 1943
i seriously dont think the allies invasion of sicily help russia from collapsing.
the land lease aid to the russian was the real different. allies weapons, aka sherman tanks were consider inferior to russian. best tank was the T34/85 can fight against the german tigers. the 75mm sherman round bounce off the tiger frontal armor. it the US trucks, logistic supplies, railway locomotives and spam that play a part to the russian victory.
you all don't like that leh. my god daughter is a ruskie leh.
russkies form half my customer base. who cares as long as they can show me the money.
russkies form half my customer base. who cares as long as they can show me the money.
Eh Bro..which part of your message which I quoted was miscomprehended? Or you're employing some type of unfathomable literary technique again?
LKY and his maggots in white insult Singkies all the time.
And yet Singkies kept head on the ground and backside up high to be screw and poked and fucked again and again
IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY FOR SINGKIES TO BE INSULTED.
ALL FTS SEEN THAT AND THEY ALL FOLLOWING LKY AND MAGGOTS
another historian wannabe spewing nonsense.
sherman tanks under the lend-lease act were shipped to the soviets in 1944, too late and barely enough to help win the war on the eastern front. the soviets already had the ubiquitous t-34 in most of their tank divisions, and they were a match for the german panther. soviet forces equipped with the m4 sherman were secondary units and did not spearhead or make any major impression in the east.
the germans were at the gates of moscow in 1941, months before the u.s. entered the war, and they were beaten back early 1942. get your timeline correct first before you debate history. the germans were already fighting a losing war in the east after the battle of stalingrad in 1942. the western allies only opened up the western front in june 1944 as progress in italy stalled in 1943. by 1944, the soviets were already rolling past the germans in eastern europe, taking the brunt of the german army and destroying it.
i have presented timelines of the 3 major battles for a reason. i didn't even bring out the battle of kursk. if you can't even get that right, might as well balik kampong.
oh yeah. when you get exposed for spewing shitty fiction, you activate your sidekick to defend indefensible nonsense with more nonsense. it's simply laughable that your version of history is deemed by yourself and sidekick as 100% purest form of fact, when in fact it's pure fiction.
please spew more historical nonsense. i love to debate ww2 history. let's see who is the fraud and fairy tale teller here?
only 2007 of the 75mm version and 2095 of the 76mm version were shipped. the 76mm were shipped only in 1944. and they were used not in frontline tank divisions but relegated to the 1st, 3rd and 9th guards mechanized corps. in other words, mechanized infantry, rearguard and mopping up operations.
even the 76mm was outgunned by the german 88mm. only the sherman firefly (not sure of its proper name) equipped with the brits 17pounder stand a chance. but the sherman armor cannot withstand even one shot by the high velocity round from the german 88.
even the allies weapons were shit, it cannot be denied that the lend lease supplied locomotives help to keep russian rail running throughout the war. and the 2.5t stubaker truck and willy jeep keep the russian frontline troops supplied, the tin spam keep the red army from hunger. some of the famed kaytusha rockets were even mounted on US lend lease trucks. even the russian ace flown the bell P39 fighter supplied under the lend lease program which was consider a piece of shit by the Allies.
which was why eisenhower didn't wish to provoke the soviets into an extension of ww2 or beginning of ww3 when both sides met in berlin. the allied supreme commander knew his combined forces wouldn't stand a chance against the soviets if ever a new hot war were to break out. in august 1945, an overwhelming 1.6m soviets crushed a massive 1.2m jap army in manchuria in less than 12 days with a fully mechanized army involving 26k arty guns, 1.8k mobile artillery, 5.5k tanks and 5.3k aircraft. and manchuria is thousands of miles from germany. the soviets could handle and win both european and siberian fronts at the same time. and they were at the apex of battle tried and hardened artillery, rocket, tank and armored fighting vehicle development and evolution at that time. plus the whole nation of tens of millions of men, women and children committed to and fighting in war for over 5 years. truman knew that. marshal knew that. ike knew that.
only clueless, ignorant historian wannabes who don't even read don't know that.
watchnig this.
salivating........
I am flabberghasted by the sheer idiocy of arguing about WW2 and Russia's misperceived victories.
That's the difference between seeing the forest and seeing the trees. Some fucking Slav insults you and NS and you end up arguing abt NS and the Russian army with the guy. Difference between a War and a series of battles is like painting with broad strokes and hair splitting the brush.
As said, in a straight fight between Germany and Russia, Russia is no match. If not for the Allies, esp. Britain, perpetually lurking in the Western front, and causing Hitler jitters as when and whether it will enter the war and divert his forces, a concentrated blow on Russia on the eastern front would no doubt have clinched early victory for germany. Germany should have whacked the blazes out of Russia in an early blitz on Moscow instead of taking a longwinded route from Caucasus and getting bogged down in the Russian bitter winters. Without the Allies' aid to relieve Russian logistics supply system, it would not have a chance against the mighty Germans.
Russia lost again in Afghanistan, the Cold War, the Cuban missile crisis..eventually crumbling to lose its world power status. If you want to talk about geopolitics, you must talk global theatres of war, not little battles in timelines.
But as said, the bastard insulted us and we should not stop fucking him and start quarreling among ourselves.
That's the difference between seeing the forest and seeing the trees. Some fucking Slav insults you and NS and you end up arguing abt NS and the Russian army with the guy. Difference between a War and a series of battles is like painting with broad strokes and hair splitting the brush.
As said, in a straight fight between Germany and Russia, Russia is no match. If not for the Allies, esp. Britain, perpetually lurking in the Western front, and causing Hitler jitters as when and whether it will enter the war and divert his forces, a concentrated blow on Russia on the eastern front would no doubt have clinched early victory for germany. Germany should have whacked the blazes out of Russia in an early blitz on Moscow instead of taking a longwinded route from Caucasus and getting bogged down in the Russian bitter winters. Without the Allies' aid to relieve Russian logistics supply system, it would not have a chance against the mighty Germans.
Russia lost again in Afghanistan, the Cold War, the Cuban missile crisis..eventually crumbling to lose its world power status. If you want to talk about geopolitics, you must talk global theatres of war, not little battles in timelines.
But as said, the bastard insulted us and we should not stop fucking him and start quarreling among ourselves.
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hahaha.....as expected....his nos.1 PLP will also cum in and further embarass himself......lol.another clueless historian wannabe who's talking gobbledygook thru' his arse. again.
let's use attack on pearl harbor by the japs as a reference point, i.e. u.s. entered the war. december 7, 1941.
battle of moscow - october 1941 to january 1942. counter offensive by soviets pushed back germans and almost surrounded 3 german armies. although the u.s. were supplying the soviets via convoys to the port of murmansk before entry in the war, u.s. supplies and arms had little to no material effect on the battle of moscow due to the relatively short duration and early end of the battle on january 7, 1942.
battle and siege of leningrad - september 1941 to january 1944. soviet defenders were isolated and held out in leningrad against all odds for over 2 years. the siege was lifted when soviet forces from the east pushed back german and finnish armies to the bay of vyborg and vuoksi river.
battle of stalingrad - august 1942 to february 1943. although august 1942 was 8 months after pearl harbor, the amount of men, machines and material assembled around stalingrad by the soviets were mostly of soviet origin, especially all the soldiers, including soviet women near the front and in thousands of factories that were moved further eastwards. any material aid by the u.s. were overhyped. in fact, the u.s. were not doing well against the japs in the pacific 6 months into the war. it was only in june 1942 that the tide in the pacific turned at the battle of midway. the u.s. was locked in life or death battles with the japs for most of 1942 until mid 1943 when up to 24 essex class aircraft carriers started to come off shipyards by the shiploads. at one time in 1943, the u.s. had only 1 carrier operational in the pacific. the soviets were alone fighting the germans and finnish on continental europe in 1942 and 1943, prior to the allied invasion of italy. even without d-day, june 1944, in normandy with a 2nd front in western europe, the soviets could have taken on the germans one on one after stalingrad, and won the war on her own, albeit with a much delayed victory. the normandy allied invasion was the west desperate attempt to save part of germany and western europe from total soviet domination.
go read up before you spew your nonsense.
Put in simple context.....the Germans were unable to conquer Russia in the early stage of WW2 because of the following reasons:
1. harsh Russian winter which the Germans were not prepared for...
2. vast expanse of Russia causing supply /logistical problems
3. Russians outnumber the Germans many time......
4. sheer willpower of the Russians to hold on to key cities against all odds....
Once Russia survive the initial setbacks.....the Germans is not going to win a war of attrition.
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What are you guys so obssessed with history? It has absolutely nothing to do with some insults from some not so talented FT. As long as anyone insult you at your home just kick his bloody arse out of the country, make it impossible for him to stay in this country. It does not matter that Russia are experts in launching rockets or their undernourished pussies make good fucks.
this is not about ww2 history, but if anyone wishes to make a point or premise, don't attempt to use one's command of bogus history to wag the proverbial finger to lecture others. because with history, especially ww2 history, someone will crack, expose and correct misrepresentations. and if facts and supporting arguments are wrong, they can discredit and derail a perfectly good summary or premise. the forest looks real good until a spoiler points out that the tree has no roots.
That is why I prefer to talk about present... much simpler
You shld have told that to that Russian idiot not to "use one's command of bogus history blah blah.." on our NS " to wag the proverbial finger blah blah.." The fact is, you were so blinded with yr disdain for Scroobal that you directed yr diatribe at him and later at me, instead of at the Russian.
Even now, I see no action to hantam the Russian idiot but yr just going on and on about ww2 history. Try not to explain forests and trees to us.
Even now, I see no action to hantam the Russian idiot but yr just going on and on about ww2 history. Try not to explain forests and trees to us.
this is not about ww2 history, but if anyone wishes to make a point or premise, don't attempt to use one's command of bogus history to wag the proverbial finger to lecture others. because with history, especially ww2 history, someone will crack, expose and correct misrepresentations. and if facts and supporting arguments are wrong, they can discredit and derail a perfectly good summary or premise. the forest looks real good until a spoiler points out that the tree has no roots.
Spot on! that's the point - the russian guy was insulting us and all he did was correct our history account.
As a true patriot, even if anyone's account is wrong, what is it compared to some alien insulting us? Do we stop the Gauls at the gates or quarrel among us as to what we have said is correct?
As a true patriot, even if anyone's account is wrong, what is it compared to some alien insulting us? Do we stop the Gauls at the gates or quarrel among us as to what we have said is correct?
Haha..another wanabe..dont wade into posts that are too difficult for you to follow.
You cant even grasp Singapore's history, stay away from world events.
You cant even grasp Singapore's history, stay away from world events.
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