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Alamaking

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HOW TO EXPLAIN YOUNG MINDS STILL CAUGHT UP IN THIS KIND OF BULLSHIT?

you called this absurd? you should see this, Kong Hee said 上帝 in China is GOD, wtf.... so funny, everything he said 1 :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

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Lentor

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Furthermore, his father had an empire of business for him to take over in indonesia, which he rejected. bec of this, he didn't receive any financial help from rich father in jarkata who is angry with him.

from this crap sentence, i believe all of your knowledge of him are based on hearsay.
 

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If God knows what you need, why do you still want to pray to God for wealth? Shouldn't God already knows you need money?

It's part of the maintaining relationship with God...even He already knew what you need and He already prepared in advance, you must maintain relationship with him by talking to him and then you can truly see his glory when things finally happen.....:biggrin:
 

VIBGYOR

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The original ‘unknown’ god of China
An Ancient pictogram script points to the Bible
chinese_chart.jpg

First published:
Creation 20(3):50–53
June 1998

by Ethel Nelson

Mystery concerns the 450-year-old Temple of Heaven complex in Beijing, China. Why did the emperors sacrifice a bull on the great white marble Altar of Heaven at an annual ceremony, the year’s most important and colourful celebration, the so-called ‘Border Sacrifice’? This rite ended in 1911 when the last emperor was deposed. However, the sacrifice did not begin a mere 450 years ago. The ceremony goes back 4,000 years. One of the earliest accounts of the Border Sacrifice is found in the Shu Jing (Book of History), compiled by Confucius, where it is recorded of Emperor Shun (who ruled from about 2256 BC to 2205 BC when the first recorded dynasty began) that ‘he sacrificed to ShangDi.’ 1

Who is ShangDi? This name literally means ‘the Heavenly Ruler.’ By reviewing recitations used at the Border Sacrifice, recorded in the Statutes of the Ming Dynasty (AD 1368), one may begin to understand the ancient Chinese reverence for ShangDi. Participating in this rite, the emperor first meditated at the Temple of Heaven (the Imperial Vault), while costumed singers, accompanied by musicians, intoned:

‘To Thee, O mysteriously-working Maker, I look up in thought. … With the great ceremonies I reverently honor Thee. Thy servant, I am but a reed or willow; my heart is but that of an ant; yet have I received Thy favouring decree, appointing me to the government of the empire. I deeply cherish a sense of my ignorance and blindness, and am afraid, lest I prove unworthy of Thy great favours. Therefore will I observe all the rules and statutes, striving, insignificant as I am, to discharge my loyal duty. Far distant here, I look up to Thy heavenly palace. Come in Thy precious chariot to the altar. Thy servant, I bow my head to the earth reverently, expecting Thine abundant grace. … O that Thou wouldest vouchsafe to accept our offerings, and regard us, while thus we worship Thee, whose goodness is inexhaustible!’2

Thus we find the emperor worshipping ShangDi. Can we possible trace the original intention of this magnificent ceremony of antiquity? As the emperor took part in this annual service dedicated to ShangDi, the following words were recited, clearly showing that he considered ShangDi the Creator of the world:

‘Of old in the beginning, there was the great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements [planets] had not begun to revolve, nor the sun and moon to shine. You, O Spiritual Sovereign, first divided the grosser parts from the purer. You made heaven. You made earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being’ 3

For the Christian, the above recitation sounds strangely familiar. How closely it reads to the opening chapter of the biblical Genesis! Note the similarity with excerpts from the more detailed story as recorded in the Hebrew writings:

‘In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. …

‘And God said, “Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas. …

‘And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also. …

‘So God created man in His own image; …’ (Genesis 1:1-2, 9-10, 16, 27-28)


ShangDi, the Creator-God of the Chinese, surely appears to be one and the same as the Creator-God of the Hebrews. In fact, one of the Hebrew names for God is El Shaddai, which is phonetically similar to ShangDi. Even more similar is the Early Zhou pronunciation of ShangDi which is ‘djanh-tigh’ [Zhan-dai].4 Another name for their God which the ancient Chinese used interchangeable with ShangDi was Heaven (Tian). Zheng Xuan, a scholar of the early Han dynasty said, “ShangDi is another name for Heaven (Tian)”.5 The great philosopher Motze (408-382 BC) also thought of Heaven (Tian) as the Creator-God:

‘I know Heaven loves men dearly not without reason. Heaven ordered the sun, the moon, and the stars to enlighten and guide them. Heaven ordained the four seasons, Spring, Autumn, Winter, and Summer, to regulate them. Heaven sent down snow, frost, rain, and dew to grow the five grains and flax and silk so that the people could use and enjoy them. Heaven established the hills and river, ravines and valleys, and arranged many things to minister to man’s good or bring him evil.’ 6

How did ShangDi create all things? Here is one further recitation from the ancient Border Sacrifice rite:

‘When Te [ShangDi], the Lord, had so decreed, He called into existence [originated] heaven, earth, and man. Between heaven and earth He separately placed in order men and things, all overspread by the heavens.’ 7

Note that ShangDi ‘called into existence,’ or commanded heaven and earth to appear.

Compare this with the way the Hebrew text describes the method of creation by El Shaddai, who, we suspect, is identical with ShangDi, and the similarity in name and role would suggest:

‘… by the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. … For He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast’ (Psalm 33:6, 9).

We have not yet explained the reason for the emperors’ bull sacrifice to ShangDi. Let us compare this Chinese sacrifice with the instruction given by God to the Hebrews:

‘Take thee a young calf for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering, without blemish, and offer them before the LORD’ (Leviticus 9:2)—a practice which began in earliest times (Genesis 4:3,4; 8:20).

The origin of the Border Sacrifice would appear to be explained in the book, God’s Promise to the Chinese.8 The authors, Nelson, Broadberry, and Chock have analyzed the most ancient forms of the pictographic Chinese writing and found the foundational truths of Christianity. In these ideograms, which date from before the time of Moses—we have the entire story of creation, the temptation, and fall of man into sin, and God’s remedy for sin in the animal sacrifices, which pointed to the coming Savior, Jesus Christ. All the elements of the Genesis narrative are found recorded, and still in use, in the Chinese character-writing.

The associated box shows some startling realities about the written Chinese language, indicating that we are all related—and not so long ago. All people in the world, not just the Chinese, are descended from the inhabitants of Babel, the first civilization after the Flood. God first gave His promise of a coming saviour, the ‘Seed of the Woman,’ in Genesis (3:15). The foreshadowed sacrifice of the coming Lamb of God, Creator and Saviour, is as old as mankind.

Should a Chinese person tell you that Christianity is a ‘foreigner’s religion,’ you can explain that the Chinese in antiquity worshipped the same God as Christians do today. Like the Hebrews often did, the ancestors of today’s Chinese wandered off after false gods; the memory of who their original God was dimmed with time.9 The ancient Chinese script gives powerful evidence for the historical truth of Genesis.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/china.asp
 

elephanto

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Kong does not draw a salary from the church. ......the man is magnanimous.
Another one who has publicly declared he will take no pay is Mr Joseph Prince (Another reason why Singhs in Singapore are decreasingh according to another 3in1kopitiam thread) after CoC audits revealed his pay is half a million(a mth/a yr ?). He even told his congregation at NCC he felt great pain for his daughter not himself, that she has to endure taunts at her kindergarten from classmates (tall tale indeed). With his talent & proven track record to build a church, he can uproot any time to meet demand for his charisma in the West, so his followers cooed

At the bottom is a bunch of dumbfucks who peruse the church financial report and perpetuate the myth that no salary is drawn.
The supreme irony is that these DUMBFUCKS are high society/ upper class Elite Scholars/Professionals & whatnot Sporean Intelligentsia !

I know of a senior lawyer, after years of being staunchly taoist/buddhist is today a bible quoting CHC member, faithfully tithing 10% of her pay(income & investment gains) to God represented by Kong. So it goes for some Mt E senior consultant oncologists & the lists goes on.

Some years back, I visited CHC titanium white elephant premise in Jurong West. Suaku me, shocked to find ATM-like info-kiosk, where members can do funds transfer for tithe or even sign up GIRO.... super efficient.

Is all these talk anti-Christianity?

I honestly don't think so, just cannot cease to wonder at the profound power of 'religion' & 'faith' to direct human behaviour.

!@!%#!@#%@#%@$#$%^fghykfyyu()_, I shall end by typing in tongues here.

P.S. with regards to the original idea behind this thread, if City Care were to turn out like Touch Community Services (FCBC's 'non-affiliate' social service arm, Apostle Khong (PBM) also is head of TOUCH), then I suppose it's fine. Note: Touch has been around for 18 yrs.

After all, through schools & hospitals, the Roman Catholics have extended their benign soft power & influence that have benefitted many regardless of race or religion.
 
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