• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by War

botakboon

Alfrescian
Loyal
http://mil.sohu.com/20160125/n435692364.shtml


罗援少将:台独没戏 罕见亮对台“武统”底线


正文
我来说两句(人参与)

扫描到手机
2016-01-25 07:07:10
来源:环球时报 作者:罗援

手机看新闻
保存到博客

原标题:罗援:统一,是绝不动摇的钢铁意志
第1页 :罗援少将称台独没戏
[提要]  台湾问题不管如何风云变幻,一条铁律不可违逆,就是必须顺应历史的潮流。不管出现什么样的曲折,与祖国统一是任何人和任何力量都不能阻挡的历史潮流。我们曾经承诺“中国人不打中国人”,但如果“台独”分子把我们逼入墙角,我们别无选择,只有“武统”。
资料图:蔡英文胜选后召开国际记者会。
  台湾是选举政治,政党轮替已经常态化,但不管谁执政都改变不了两岸关系大盘。大陆2015年GDP为67.67万亿人民币(约10.28万亿美元),台湾地区预计约为5500亿美元。两岸目前都在同步裁减军队员额。解放军总人数即将裁减到200万;台军总人数即将裁减到17万-19万。资料图:蔡英文胜选后召开国际记者会。


  台湾问题不管如何风云变幻,潮起潮落,一条铁律不可违逆,就是必须顺应历史的潮流。什么是历史的潮流?孙中山认为,“中国眼前一时不能统一,是暂时的乱象”,但统一是中国历史发展的必然趋势,正如“长江、黄河的流水一样,流到最后一定是向东的,无论是怎么样都阻止不住的”。台湾问题亦如此。不管出现什么样的曲折,与祖国统一是任何人和任何力量都不能阻挡的历史潮流。



  我们会尊重民意,但民意有大民意和小民意之分。在国家统一的问题上,只能听从全体国民的大民意,而不能听任一个地区民众的小民意。古今中外,概莫能外。台湾的统独选项只能由包括台湾人民在内的13亿中国人民来共同决定。

  我们会权衡利弊,但利弊有大利弊与小利弊之分。国家统一,兹事体大。再大的成本代价,也大不过统一的价值。根据台湾方面的统计,2015年1-10月,两岸(含大陆地区和香港地区,)贸易总额为1296.4亿美元,其中,台湾自大陆入超(出口超过进口)542.2亿美元。2014年两岸人员往来总量941.1万人次,同比增加16.52%,再创历史新高。其中,台湾居民来大陆536.6万人次,大陆居民赴台404.6万人次。大陆居民赴台旅游达到322万人次,同比增加47%。如果台湾走向独立,两岸的这些和平红利将化为泡影。孰轻孰重,明眼人一目了然。

  延伸阅读:

  美媒:中国为收复最后失地不惜动武 美或放弃

  解放军中将:若蔡英文当选 绝不姑息养奸
 

botakboon

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

http://www.cnqiang.com/junshi/zhanlue/201510/01252749.html

大选!蔡英文或将创造大陆武统台湾机会
2015-10-18 08:40
来源:强网论坛 有23人参与
  2016台湾地区领导人大选在即,国民党的大佬们终于忍耐不住启动了换柱程序。

  理由有二,一是洪秀柱支持率低迷胜选无望。洪秀柱之所以成为国民党的唯一参选人是因为国民党输掉九合一选举后竞争地区领导人无望,各路大佬如王金平、朱立伦、吴敦义之流惧败不敢参选的产物。

  自洪秀柱披挂上阵之后换柱之声不绝于耳,国民党各路人马口头力挺桌底下飞脚不断,哪里会有什么高支持率?就凭洪秀柱在国民党一片哀嚎之中挺身而出的勇气也羞煞那些所谓须眉,谁能胜?

点击图片 进入下一页>>

  凭借洪秀柱清晰的两岸政策,为两岸找到一条永续和平发展的路,国民党上下同心奋死一搏尚有一点胜算希望。如今让一头猪代替柱参选,国民党立马沦丧。

  二是洪秀柱两岸政策与国民党有落差。落差在哪里?无论马英九还是朱立伦都是挂着九二共识的羊头,向大陆予取予求博取经济好处,卖着台独的狗肉。

点击图片 进入下一页>>

  和平发展国民党要,就是闭口不谈政治议题,要两岸实质上走向分裂。洪秀柱坚持九二共识还要启动政治协商,实现两岸分治而不分裂,签署两岸军事互信及和平协议,最终一统,是真正的中国国民党,符合中华民族利益,但并不符合投机分子马朱之流的利益。

  所谓的台湾主流民意是什么?就是攫取大陆的好处,不敢独怕挨打。不能统要暗独。用民粹销蚀台湾人的中国心。国民党不统要暗独,民进党要台独,民众要民粹逢中必反,2300万人要决定中国台湾的命运。


 去中国化的流毒已经毒害了台湾的年青一代,反服贸、反课纲微调,为日本殖民者唱赞歌,哭爹叫娘地说其祖母做慰安妇自愿……简直是一帮猪狗不如的畜生!

  就是洪秀柱给了大陆人民一点希望,或许还能给台湾找到一条出路,如今洪秀柱出征未捷先被一帮猪弄死了,剩下的就是民进党蔡英文当选,国民党立委席位锐减至微不足道的少数,在台湾没有人或者什么党能够阻止民进党推行其台独党纲,纵然不敢宣布台独,但没有谁能够阻挡其去中国化走实质台独的路,台湾沦丧矣。

  失去了九二共识反台独的政治基础,试问两岸哪里来的和平发展?难道真如蔡英文所说,只要民进党当选大陆就不得不与民进党打交道?搞错没有哦!

点击图片 进入下一页>>

  失去了政治基础必定地动山摇,这是习总说的。纵不能立马武力攻台,也能够从经济上封杀台湾。

  挣大陆的钱回台搞台独的好事没有了,相反要让这帮孙子尝尝俄肚子的滋味。进一步封杀台湾所谓的国际生存空间,打破外交休兵的默契,把那些所谓台湾的邦交国拉到大陆来,中央政府有能力这样做。经常在海峡甚至是台湾东海岸演习放几个炮仗,让瘪独子们一日三惊时刻备战,消耗实力,也是不战而屈人之兵的好办法。

点击图片 进入下一页>>

  蔡英文们还未当选已经到美国出卖中国人民的利益了,如今在狗窝里又与安倍老鬼子勾结,谋求加入什么TPP,一旦当了岛主岂不更加有恃无恐?国民党做着岛主占着立法院的多数议席尚且不能奈何民进党,失去了岛主位子,立委多数的在野党又如何奈何民进党?所谓坚持九二共识和平发展的投机路线如何贯彻?

  民进党做中华民族崛起的绊脚石是做定了的,也只有在这个时候台湾们就开始了付出代价的不归路。台湾的前途从来都不是由台湾决定的,历来与中国休戚相关,是有13亿中国人民决定的。经济让利换不来台湾的中国心,那么不妨换一种思路,非常希望台湾问题在习大大任内解决,坚决支持解放台湾,实现中国的统一大业。

  两岸分治本来就是内战的产物,最终以内战的方式解决是中华民族的大不幸,但我们已经别无选择,只能用战争摧毁台湾的台独梦,这样的代价相较于中国的复兴我们应该勇于担当。机会来了希望解放军不辱使命解放台湾,中国13亿中华儿女将拭目以待。


 习近平的警告蔡英文会听吗? 看来明年民进党将重回执政宝座,让两岸关系增添了变数。过去陈水扁执政时,烽火外交,冲刺台独,现蔡英文主政将会走何种路线引起了关注。大陆称陈水扁是机会主义者,蔡英文是意识型态挂帅,因此认为蔡英文比陈水扁更可怕更危险。

  过去民进党执政其阴影至今未消,对于民进党将再度上台更是充满疑虑,更有人把民进党定位于台独政党,因之两岸间将水火不容。

  其实陈水扁是投机份子,没有原则,从向美承诺「四不一没有」,到四大皆空,两岸的关系跌落到了冰点。蔡英文应不至于如此的危险,与其说意识形态挂帅不 如说她是务实主义者,她非坚贞的民进党员,在民进党下台声势跌落谷底时,蔡英文在恐怖平衡中脱颖而出担任民进党主席,带领民进党经历一次次的战役而重新站 立起来,现已占据台湾的大半壁江山。

点击图片 进入下一页>>

  如果她是顽固的台独份子,民进党不会有今日的成绩。小英当党主席之后,带领民进党转型走出暴力政党的窠臼,而追求理性问政。今蔡英文的务实主义,她在可妥协之处妥协,原则上她坚持,她获得了党内的信任,而连任党主席。

  当然蔡英文当选后必面临承认九二共识的问题,习近平也警告不承认九二共识即基础不牢地动山摇,不过在选前要蔡英文转变不太可能,一是她必须保住深绿基 本盘,民进党胜券在握,加之她被誉为最能维护台湾主权之人,自无必要做选战的调整,自乱阵脚,但选后她就必需严肃面对两岸问题。

  政治是妥协的艺术,两岸应共同珍惜得之不易的和平发展成果。若北京以武力恫吓,台湾民众离心离德,民进党也就顽强对抗,对两岸来说是惨输的政策。


 蔡英文终将被抛弃!北京心中已有军事准备 台湾选战已经开启:洪秀柱、蔡英文、宋楚瑜上演“新三国”,局势胶着;宋是半路杀出的“程咬金”,有媒体形容其是“搅屎棍”;现在又传说国民党的大佬王金平可能转而辅选宋,而宋又放言亲民党有联合执政的打算,其联合民进党可能性更大。
  
  而台湾现存的多股新旧台独势力,正准备摒弃前嫌、团结一致力捧蔡英文……这林林总总让台湾选情扑朔迷离;目前民意调查蔡英文暂时领先;对于台湾2016大选,笔者大胆预测:蔡英文最终被抛弃!
  
  中国大陆不看好蔡英文!对于台湾2016大选,中国大陆绝不会袖手旁观:台湾不独是根本的根本,是绝不能退让的底线,大陆绝不能容忍一个有着明显台独倾向的政党、一个口口声声说着“维持现状”,却连九二共识都不愿承认的蔡英文执掌台湾。
  

点击图片 进入下一页>>

  有国外智库、媒体甚至揣测,为应对台湾2016大选发生不测,中国大陆已经做好了各种预案,包括军事上的准备,不惜一战,不得已时只有选择武力统一。
  
  美国的战略考量,不放心蔡英文:现在美国智库、媒体已经在提醒美国执政当局,必须检讨对台政策,如果任由台独势力做强做大,统领台湾,就难免激怒大陆,发生台海战争。
  

点击图片 进入下一页>>

  要么台湾直接被大陆武力统一,要么美国逼迫拖入参战(也难以阻止中国的最终统一),而却让美国成炮灰,劳民伤财,说不定就此沦为世界二流国家,得不偿失。
  
  美国最希望台湾维持“不独、不武、不统”的现状,让两岸既保持适可而止的亲密亲近,又充斥着一定对立烈度,符合美国的战略利益。
 

congo9

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

If you need to force a war to take back what is supposedly yours, I think it not a unification war. It's more like olden days when the Emporer needs to put down a renegade province , subduing rebels.

In the end, these Rebels has to be put death. A civil war will ensues.
 

Leroy

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

Reunification by Force :rolleyes:
 

tonychat

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

Taiwan is doing very fine without China... Taiwan is more advanced politically than China in YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

steffychun

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

Launch your SLBMs and LCBMs China!
 

Devil Within

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

It's about time for Taiwan to take back China from the Communist crooks.
 

istana_pest

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

Tsai Ing-wen & Aung San = World Sinking. Hillery Clinton some more. Someone better assassinate them all.
 

The_Hypocrite

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

No force necessary,,,the Fuckians being the cowards that they are will surrender without even the ah tiongs mobilising,,,No Taiwan empire have survived,,,during the end of the ming dynasty they surrendered to the Qing forces,,,so I don't see the difference now,,,,

Reunification by Force :rolleyes:
 

syed putra

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

Taiwan belongs to the orang Asli. all Chinese get out!
The Dutch and Portuguese who landed on Formosa 500 years ago did not find a single chinaman in the island.that was why it was called the beautiful island. Once the Chinese migrated there, it became ugly and dirty. Until the Japanese took control.
The Japanese managed to instill mannerism and civility into the Chinese just like what UMNO did. And that continues till today.
 

Ambulance

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

Taiwan belongs to the orang Asli. all Chinese get out!
The Dutch and Portuguese who landed on Formosa 500 years ago did not find a single chinaman in the island.that was why it was called the beautiful island. Once the Chinese migrated there, it became ugly and dirty. Until the Japanese took control.
The Japanese managed to instill mannerism and civility into the Chinese just like what UMNO did. And that continues till today.

halo deh lee sia sway lin lau zhor gong si boh
 

carnage

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

No force necessary,,,the Fuckians being the cowards that they are will surrender without even the ah tiongs mobilising,,,No Taiwan empire have survived,,,during the end of the ming dynasty they surrendered to the Qing forces,,,so I don't see the difference now,,,,

Force not necessary, but carnage is most crucial thing that move earth forward and drive all progress. Especially at a time that civilization is wrongly over-populated and short of resources, every selfish bastards thinks they had Rights and Freedom and refuse to die, demands to use more and more resources. Yeah? Force not necessary then WMD global cleansing is necessary.
 

war is best form of peace

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

If Xijinping is prepared to bleed USA, reunification is a project shorter than 1 month:

1. Declaration of War, warn USA to stay out of business or prepare to get millions of civilian casualties in their own homeland.

2. Missile Taiwan, knock out radars, satellite, fiber optics, power supply stations, ports, airport, political offices, party HQ, fuel depots. Within 3~4hours.

3. USA fleets will be lured towards Taiwan, sink 75% of them within same 2hrs, deprive all rescue chances. Missile on continental USA cities, minimum 10 cities, penetrate missile defense, US will no longer be able to interfere Taiwan business, White House either have all out full destruction war with China or bite the bullet and put own fist into own asshole.

4. Taiwan will surrender, any resistance, will be just 5% of tiny pocket resistance. Smoked out within 10 hours.

5. If US chosen all out war, it is something that Nuke Czar Putin had rubbed his hands awaiting for long time. He will open his best Vodka immediately:



 

war is best form of peace

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

There is nothing clearer than this: It 's just a matter of time China & Russian need to do something about USA, so that it will cease to Chee Bye around other countries political interest like Taiwan for China, Ukraine etc for Russia, plus a very long list. Be that WW3 or anything bigger. It has to be done inevitably and will be done. The sooner the better.



Good effective weapons had been made, and awaiting to be put to good uses. Don't waste tax payers monies! Spend on expensive nukes, use them don't waste them!



This video is double Bulava at one same launching drill, from the same sub.
 
Last edited:

JohnTan

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

USA is still relying on an obsolete WW2 strategy of aircraft carriers whereas the chinks and ivans are finding cheaper, better and faster way to sink the carriers with anti-ship missiles.
 

war is best form of peace

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

USA is still relying on an obsolete WW2 strategy of aircraft carriers whereas the chinks and ivans are finding cheaper, better and faster way to sink the carriers with anti-ship missiles.

Missile is the more visible way of sinking warships, but missile warheads are not as big and powerful as torpedoes. Torpedoes like Missiles can carry nuke warheads, they can also be fast, the Chinese and Russian has supercavitation torpedoes that can move some MACH3 speed under water. Torpedoes need not fight gravity with fuel so it carries warhead usually 2~4 the size and weight compared with anti-ship missiles. When detonated 200,000 tons warship gets lifted up from water by around 1 meter, and then slammed down within short time, usually fracture it's own keel and break into 2 parts before sinking.


pay attention to how entire warship got lifted up from water when Torpedoed, the center keel get lifted up instantly, bow and aft not much, so bending the entire warship's keel to break it, then slammed down back onto water, the blast throw water a hundred meter into the air. Fucking ship broke into 2 parts. Sure sink!



article-2178197-143179EA000005DC-303_964x587.jpg


article-2178197-14317A5E000005DC-504_964x600.jpg



There is more chance a hit warship survive from anti-ship missile:
ASMdestroysbowofsurfaceship.jpg


Because the damages are ABOVE WATER LINE, did not break into 2 parts and sink.
 

war is best form of peace

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

http://mil.sohu.com/20160127/n435968304.shtml

Quite in-line with what I said. Can reunify Taiwan even without landing troops on it.

If you sink enough US fleets and bleed USA badly, disembowel the military guts of USA, Taiwanese can be just forced to surrender.


中将回应“武统”台湾:不登岛就可拿下


正文
我来说两句(人参与)

扫描到手机
2016-01-27 07:41:25
来源:观察者网

手机看新闻
保存到博客

原标题:新加坡媒体:解放军将领再提武统台湾 大陆正制定对台新政策
第1页 :解放军对台政策大变
[提要]  中国人民解放军少将罗援25日通过官媒重提武力统一台湾。有关分析指出,针对倾向“台独”的民进党即将重新执政,大陆对台政策也面临调整。比罗援军阶更高的中国人民解放军南京军区原副司令王洪光中将警告说,甚至不必登岛作战,就可拿下台湾。
原文配图:解放军少将罗援。
  中国人民解放军少将罗援25日通过官媒重提武力统一台湾。有关分析指出,针对倾向“台独”的民进党即将重新执政,大陆对台政策也面临调整,包括军方在内的有关部门正制定新的对台预案。罗援强调“武统”代表的是大陆军方对“台独”的立场。原文配图:解放军少将罗援。


  据新加坡媒体1月26日报道,中国人民解放军少将罗援25日通过官媒重提武力统一台湾。有关分析指出,针对倾向“台独”的民进党即将重新执政,大陆对台政策也面临调整,包括军方在内的有关部门正制定新的对台预案。罗援强调“武统”代表的是大陆军方对“台独”的立场。



  解放军少将罗援:统则和独则战

  罗援昨天在人民日报社下属的《环球时报》上发表文章说,“我们曾经承诺‘中国人不打中国人’,但如果‘台独’分子把我们逼入墙角,我们别无选择,只有‘武统’。‘统则和,独则战’,独立与和平之间不能画等号。”

  这篇题为《统一是绝不动摇的钢铁意志》的文章称,在国家统一的问题上,只能听从全体国民的大民意,而不能听任一个地区民众的小民意。古今中外,概莫能外。“台湾的统独选项只能由包括台湾人民在内的13亿中国人民来共同决定。”

  延伸阅读:

  美媒:中国为收复最后失地不惜动武 美或放弃

  国防部回应"军演警告台独" 台湾听后放心
 

steffychun

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: Chinese Military to Taiwan DPP & Tsai Ing-wen, be ready to face Reunification by

X Files say to be warned of military-industrial complex
 
Top