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[jw5]

Electronic games will have electronic payouts. Which means payouts can be triggered.

If dealer gets Ace, never double down.
If dealer gets a 10, double down only when you have 11. Most people choose not to double.

In MBS, dealer will issue 2 cards to players for each hole and dealer only reveal 1 card. Only when all the players have finished their turns, dealer will start to draw his 2nd card onwards till he hits 17 or above.

I can't recall any casinos I've been to where the dealer reveals both his cards.
It's always 2 cards revealed for the players and 1 for the dealer, until all player cards are dealt.
Which casino is different?

 

[silverfox@]

I can't recall any casinos I've been to where the dealer reveals both his cards.
It's always 2 cards revealed for the players and 1 for the dealer, until all player cards are dealt.
Which casino is different?

Reveal both cards no.

But overseas have whereby dealer will draw 2 cards. I ever seen it on online overseas casino sites. They will distribute all the cards including dealer having 2 cards. 1 revealed, 1 face down.

 

[jw5]

Reveal both cards no.

But overseas have whereby dealer will draw 2 cards. I ever seen it on online overseas casino sites. They will distribute all the cards including dealer having 2 cards. 1 revealed, 1 face down.

Is there any difference for the players between this and if the dealer only draws one card?
I don't see any, but perhaps you have another view.

 

[silverfox@]

Is there any difference for the players between this and if the dealer only draws one card?
I don't see any, but perhaps you have another view.

Actually to some people they may think it makes a difference, like the flow of the cards. It's like what some people say, why the last player draw that card, if he didn't draw it, dealer would have bust.
But its as if everyone will know what's the next card that is coming out. If anyone of us knew, we can be superman.

To me it doesn't make a difference. Because the dealer would still have to draw to 17. :p

Actually the most important part of blackjack is upon knowing what card the dealer has vs the cards that we have, we have to leverage our chances of winning and decide whether to split, double, hit, stand, surrender.

It's like why hit when you can double?
Why stand when you can surrender?
Why split when you can stand?

So on days when dealer cards are very strong, keep getting, 9, 10s, Ace, very hard to win also. So is to think how to lose less by weighing the chances. Then go back another day when dealer keep getting 3,4,5,6s, just whack as hard as possible to get the wins.

On days like this, even when my 1st 2 cards get only 6 points, and dealer has a 10, I will surrender to get back half first.

Against Dealer 10,

6pts getting 10,J,Q,K is 16points (highest failure rate)
6pts getting 9 is 15points (highest failure rate)
6pts getting 8 is 14points (also high failure rate)
6pts getting 7 is 13points (also high failure rate)
6pts getting 6 is 12 points (no man's land)

8 chances gone, left 5 chances.

6pts getting 5 is 11 (good chance to have 21)
6pts getting 4 is 10 (equally good chance to have 20. 21pts outsider)
6pts getting 3 is 9 (good chance to hit 19, but 19 may just stand off against dealer)
6pts getting 2 is 8 (getting 8pts has a high tendency to get only 18points max. and from 8 points, 8,7,6,5 cards are cards which delivers 13-16)

6pts getting Ace is 7 or 17. (I don't understand why people will stand. It's a pair of condemned values. 17 vs dealer 10 is another killer)

In such situations, having a 6pts against dealer 10 is not a good thing either. Once a 3rd card is taken and the situation turns bad, there is no way to surrender already.

 

[Robert Half]

Last evening Power Baccarat 98 tournament kick off MBS hired those tall girls (black dress) to do public relation there. Quite interesting as I saw those faces of regulars, professionals & Paiza members partcipating these games and they rolled dices there. The dealers & supervisors are wearing orange polo t-shirts.

 

[CoffeeMe]

Greetings All Bros and Sis,

Just want to share my experience in both IRs. I have visited more then 20 times of levy without realizing that 2K would be able to pay for a year, 365 days. These few months played slots & roulette. Catching loses is already out of my mind. As it is too late for me to turn back, unless i have the same sums of money that i have lost. Have seen all the threads by Bro Silverfox, about bacarrat. Also have tried it for few times. I would say, yes, we can win 3-5 times if we only bet on Banker. The problem is; back to square; How do we stop when we are winning? last monday 9pm, I visited MBS again for some luck. My target is easy, 3-5 times of my betting. yes, i won. The following Tuesday-because of my levy valid till 9pm, I decided to go again with the same target. I lost both my winnings on monday night and my capital. Player was dragon for 11 times. What makes me disappointed is it was happen at 8.50pm when i thought i should be going soon!
What I learn from this experience; do not play when time is almost up. All because of $100 levy, i have to leave with heavy heart.
I am planning to go for 2k levy for a year. with a target of 3-5time of wining each day. 30mnts to 1 hour a day. if within a year, i can win 3-5 times, my lost will be covered by half. And that will be my target of going to casino.
Seeking a little advise from bros here, should i do it or not?
I am single, not married and never borrow money for gamble. I love my day job, however, I love gambling too....

Thanks in advance for your kind advises...

 

[silverfox@]

Greetings All Bros and Sis,

Just want to share my experience in both IRs. I have visited more then 20 times of levy without realizing that 2K would be able to pay for a year, 365 days. These few months played slots & roulette. Catching loses is already out of my mind. As it is too late for me to turn back, unless i have the same sums of money that i have lost. Have seen all the threads by Bro Silverfox, about bacarrat. Also have tried it for few times. I would say, yes, we can win 3-5 times if we only bet on Banker. The problem is; back to square; How do we stop when we are winning? last monday 9pm, I visited MBS again for some luck. My target is easy, 3-5 times of my betting. yes, i won. The following Tuesday-because of my levy valid till 9pm, I decided to go again with the same target. I lost both my winnings on monday night and my capital. Player was dragon for 11 times. What makes me disappointed is it was happen at 8.50pm when i thought i should be going soon!
What I learn from this experience; do not play when time is almost up. All because of $100 levy, i have to leave with heavy heart.
I am planning to go for 2k levy for a year. with a target of 3-5time of wining each day. 30mnts to 1 hour a day. if within a year, i can win 3-5 times, my lost will be covered by half. And that will be my target of going to casino.
Seeking a little advise from bros here, should i do it or not?
I am single, not married and never borrow money for gamble. I love my day job, however, I love gambling too....

Thanks in advance for your kind advises...

The levy is the key.

Imagine you pay $100 levy and lets say you bet $25, Give anyone a good edge to win 4 units each time they go casino. So that makes it $100 winnings, after minus levy left with $0, so go casino for what? Earn levy for govt is it?

Let's say bet $50 each time, can win $200 minus levy left $100 to bring home.

Imagine if you pay a $2000 levy, you go twice a week, total 100 times in a calendar year. Each time you enter the casino for only $20.

Win $100 can go home already. Because minus $20 levy, win $80 can go home.

Most people who lose lots of money is because they want to fight to win back the $100 levy even when they have won a $100.

Let's say win $200 per day, minus $20. is $180.

When buy a $2000 levy, don't think about the levy when go in casino. It's very easy to win $100-$200 per trip in casino. But the problem is many people are not happy with winning $100-$200, that's why when play longer, will lose back.

My retired uncle just bought a $2000 levy recently. He went 4 times a week. Every trip he win avg $200 per trip within 1 hour he go home. When he bought the $100 levy, he said every time lose money when come out from casino but ever since he bought the annual one, he wins $200 per trip, out of 10 trips he lose 3 times. Sometimes lose $100, after 1 hour, he also go home. Because there is no time limit compared to a daily levy.

 

[CoffeeMe]

Thanks Bro Silverfox for your advise. Cheers...

 

[jjcc88]

Imagine if you pay a $2000 levy, you go twice a week, total 100 times in a calendar year. Each time you enter the casino for only $20.

Win $100 can go home already. Because minus $20 levy, win $80 can go home.

Most people who lose lots of money is because they want to fight to win back the $100 levy even when they have won a $100.

Let's say win $200 per day, minus $20. is $180.

When buy a $2000 levy, don't think about the levy when go in casino. It's very easy to win $100-$200 per trip in casino. But the problem is many people are not happy with winning $100-$200, that's why when play longer, will lose back.

My retired uncle just bought a $2000 levy recently. He went 4 times a week. Every trip he win avg $200 per trip within 1 hour he go home. When he bought the $100 levy, he said every time lose money when come out from casino but ever since he bought the annual one, he wins $200 per trip, out of 10 trips he lose 3 times. Sometimes lose $100, after 1 hour, he also go home. Because there is no time limit compared to a daily levy.

Very logical thinking there - but being humans .....

Even when we do win that $100-200 [sometimes even more say $500+++], we are very reluctant to stop play [slots for me]
- I never ever think about the levy [whether 2k or $100] as that doesn't bother me at all

For me I guess it's more a case of EITHER :

1. Oh Great - I'm winning ..... see how much more I can increase that to etc; OR

2. Shit*$#@ - I'm losing .... let's see whether all the other slots/games are going to do the same here with me too .... grrrrr :p

3. Maybe also - I want to continue playing the slots for as long as possible [ie until lost all capital] ....


I guess we must really learn to :
- preserve our profits as much as possible
- lose as little of our capital as possible by leaving once we know it's one of those 'lousy days'
- be less stubborn - fighting against the tide etc .... sighzzzz

Maybe I should just tell myself : 2 or 3 hours ONLY - LEAVE after that
(but then my 'luckier hours' are during the awkward late night timings .... so there's this 'pulling factor' pushing me to stay beyond those hours too ....)

 

[silverfox@]

Very logical thinking there - but being humans .....

Even when we do win that $100-200 [sometimes even more say $500+++], we are very reluctant to stop play [slots for me]
- I never ever think about the levy [whether 2k or $100] as that doesn't bother me at all

I reiterate this point again. It is very very very easy to win $100-$200 per day, the problem is 90% of people will not be contented to win just $100-$200.

Those who pay the $100 levy compared to $2000 levy are at a more disadvantaged situation.

$100 is for casual patrons
$2000 is for frequent patrons.

The mindset on the gambling table is completely different for a $100 levy patron against a $2000 levy patron.

 

[CoffeeMe]

Thanks JJCC88 for your kind advise.

Well, I realized I tense to get emotional when playing slots. Especially when a long haul wait for a bonus. It could dry out all the energy..
Also cigarette, it can drive adrenalin unstable. (At least it is happen to me, not sure to others).

Last few weeks ago, I make a thinking and senses of patroning Casino. This is what i found,

Spending an hour or two daily in casino (TIME) + smoky area (HEALTH) + avoiding friends that know your habit of going to casino (SOCIAL LIFE)
would this be equal to:
winnings (MONEY) + control of emotion (MIND) ...?

Time + Health + Social = Money + Mind ?

I believe being greedy is just part of human character. So how could a person control his greed?
My weekly wish is going to casino as money making, spend more time with my friends & family, do some work out, and rest enough daily (7 hours), thus, my GREED is balance. Not sure if this could be achieve or not though...:P

 

[Robert Half]

Thanks JJCC88 for your kind advise.

Well, I realized I tense to get emotional when playing slots. Especially when a long haul wait for a bonus. It could dry out all the energy..
Also cigarette, it can drive adrenalin unstable. (At least it is happen to me, not sure to others).

Last few weeks ago, I make a thinking and senses of patroning Casino. This is what i found,

Spending an hour or two daily in casino (TIME) + smoky area (HEALTH) + avoiding friends that know your habit of going to casino (SOCIAL LIFE)
would this be equal to:
winnings (MONEY) + control of emotion (MIND) ...?

Time + Health + Social = Money + Mind ?

I believe being greedy is just part of human character. So how could a person control his greed?
My weekly wish is going to casino as money making, spend more time with my friends & family, do some work out, and rest enough daily (7 hours), thus, my GREED is balance. Not sure if this could be achieve or not though...:P

You should apply NCPG self-exclusion to save your future & assets

 

[jjcc88]

Thanks JJCC88 for your kind advise.

Well, I realized I tense to get emotional when playing slots. Especially when a long haul wait for a bonus. It could dry out all the energy..
Also cigarette, it can drive adrenalin unstable. (At least it is happen to me, not sure to others).

Last few weeks ago, I make a thinking and senses of patroning Casino. This is what i found,

Spending an hour or two daily in casino (TIME) + smoky area (HEALTH) + avoiding friends that know your habit of going to casino (SOCIAL LIFE)
would this be equal to:
winnings (MONEY) + control of emotion (MIND) ...?

Time + Health + Social = Money + Mind ?

I believe being greedy is just part of human character. So how could a person control his greed?
My weekly wish is going to casino as money making, spend more time with my friends & family, do some work out, and rest enough daily (7 hours), thus, my GREED is balance. Not sure if this could be achieve or not though...:P

Well I DON'T AGREE with you here
Going to casino : IF make money = BONUS [bc >90% of time is Lose Money !]
MY mindset is : Go casino for the sheer joy & fun of .. playing slots


I'm not sure whether my 'emotions/moods/etc' have something to do with my "losing play pattern" lately [besides the Non-Paying out Slots]
Lately at the new office, feel very 'demoralised' by the new regimented schemes they've forced on us - squeezing the max out of us etc .... :(
eg. unpopular staggered lunch hours & worst of all Late Appointment Duty Roster
[Really cheapening us - we're professionals mind you not some factory workers altho' the work-system IS somewhat like a factory-conveyor belt with the still-high volume ....]

For me especially since I was originally on a "2 PMs Off 'Flexi' Work 80% Scheme"
I really do feel the 'pain etc' here - I've ALREADY made my Reduced Pay sacrifices
How do you like it if the bosses use the "Don't be Calculative Argument" etc against ALL of us [without differentiating between the NORMAL 100% Full-Time Staff & the Flexi-Not Full Time Staff (80% now modified to 85% work-week on their request) like me]
Our office has got a couple of 'hated saka-tripod-sort champion mini-controller power-hungry types' who simply make our lives miserable in the office - sighzzzzz

Perhaps I play the slots 'like a demon' bc of my bad moods ???? :( :o

 

[theblackhole]

hi bros and sis,

thank you for sharing your experiences. i do agree with bro silverfox that it's very easy to win $200 and even $400 if we know when to run and quit the game...very easy...but GREED and LOSS of control will soon overwhelm us and the demon in us will take over resulting in our disastrous and painful LOSS...the problem here is are we willing to RUN when we are UP or when we are running a losing streak....

i also agree with JJcc that going into the casino is just not about making money...for me, it's a past-time and entertainment. i like to watch people playing..their queer behaviour and some theatricals too....very interesting people watching...some young and some old ...some uncles and some aunties..i even saw a punter chant desperately for the roulette ball to fall in the right slot!!!...her last chip!!!!!!!...very sad indeed....

and if you are in a bad mood or losing streak, better don't go into the casino...and i agree with KIA that it's better NOT to bring your ATM cards when you into the casino...lose your bankroll, just call it quits and fight another day...going to the ATMs repeatedly to fight a losing battle is really suicidal....the machine will eat you up and the ball in the roullette will knock him cold and empty...so if you lose your bankroll, just quit but leave enough for your taxi fare!!!!

if you really cannot control,better apply for self exclusion or ask someone in your family to bar you....it's very easy...

i see more and more singaporeans playing...less and less of tourists...in fact more than 80% are Singaporeans now in both IRs ( if I'm not wrong...Used to see many Malaysians...but now more uncles and aunties...and of course more young Singaporeans and of course the Foreign Workers!!!!....The outlook is bad...not good for Singapore in the long run....Retirees and pensioners losing their pants too....) I even saw a few wheel-chair bound punters and gamblers....with their maids and care-givers.....

Quite a sad scenario now....no wonder the Government is stepping in now....maybe too late liao...many are addicts and problems already...

 

[theblackhole]

the slots are still not paying...

played the silverain quickhits - again NOT a single BONUS!!!!!...this is really ridiculous!!!...i quit and went to play roulette....

made some peanuts and went home....maybe take a breather until things are better.

the slots are not paying at all....:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

 

[theblackhole]

dear jjcc,

some machines simply don't pay no matter how long and how big you play...

quit and move on to other slots...i lost a bomb before trying to beat the demon in the slot....learnt my lesson...never fight with the demon....the bonus teaser is always there...the big jackpot is always there to tease you and to entice you...don't fall for it..

i returned to my favourites - the cricket, the fruits progressives and the silverain quickhits...all not paying...i quit and went home....take leave until another day....don't get soaked in...and don't lose your emotions....that's when you're most vulnerable and you can lose everything: all your winnings plus your capital..

so be very careful...cheers and good luck!

 

[LauMeng]

dear jjcc,

some machines simply don't pay no matter how long and how big you play...

quit and move on to other slots...i lost a bomb before trying to beat the demon in the slot....learnt my lesson...never fight with the demon....the bonus teaser is always there...the big jackpot is always there to tease you and to entice you...don't fall for it..

i returned to my favourites - the cricket, the fruits progressives and the silverain quickhits...all not paying...i quit and went home....take leave until another day....don't get soaked in...and don't lose your emotions....that's when you're most vulnerable and you can lose everything: all your winnings plus your capital..

so be very careful...cheers and good luck!

some machines simply don't pay no matter how long and how big you play...


Your statement above is very true. But on the hand, if one is lucky, one does not need to play big or play for a long time to be rewarded with a big pay out.

I am also a slot player whenever I go to Genting, b’cos I am not familiar with those table games. Once I witnessed a big pay out of RM 101K plus (Major Jackpot) by a machine to a player who just sat down for less than a minute. Prior to this, it was a lady sitting and playing at the same machine, she stood up and this lucky man sat down, and he slotted in a RM50 note and started playing, he played 40 line x 1 credit at this 5-cents machine, each play costs him RM$2. The whole roll of 6 machines were all occupied, and I was just standing behind this lucky guy, after just 3 or 4 spins, his machine suddenly jammed and the wordings appeared - “ Play suspended, you have won a Major Jackpot of RM 101,XXX.XX.”. He was overjoyed and the next thing I see was a big crowds surrounded him and there came the slot attendant. The Manager of slot department later came with a technician with a laptop and the lucky guy was led to the office to receive his prize.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to one word - LUCK!!!

By the way, on my last trip to Genting, I was also playing at one the these machines , out of sudden, some wording appeared on the screen, and the next thing I saw my credit increased by RM$600 plus. Then I realized that I had strike a minor jackpot of $RM627 plus.

 

[CoffeeMe]

You should apply NCPG self-exclusion to save your future & assets

Thanks Bro Robert Half for your advise

 

[CoffeeMe]

Dear Bro Silverfox,

Do you mind to answer my questions below. Maybe just some advise? Really appreciate if you could answer it. Just want to be sure if my way of playing is "safe" or correct.

1. I read the earlier thread by you that you have made some analysis. do you think the rule "winning 20-30% of your bankrole" is still working nowadays?

2. Which is wiser;
A. bring 10 times target to win 3 times, lose 5 times take a break come back later, or;
B. bring 5 times target to win 2 times, lose all go home, come another day?
I believe to keep track of the losing is more important than winning my target.

Thanks in advance.

 

[CoffeeMe]

and if you are in a bad mood or losing streak, better don't go into the casino...and i agree with KIA that it's better NOT to bring your ATM cards when you into the casino...lose your bankroll, just call it quits and fight another day...going to the ATMs repeatedly to fight a losing battle is really suicidal....the machine will eat you up and the ball in the roullette will knock him cold and empty...so if you lose your bankroll, just quit but leave enough for your taxi fare!!!!

Yes, it is dangerous indeed to bring your ATMs card along. happened to me few times. The rush is really great when I was losing. Somehow my mind turned blank and i just run to ATM to withdraw more cash out. Then realize that I have lost winnings, capital + some more cash withdrawn afterward. Beware, this is really ridiculous way of gambling :(