Canadian PR

[nayr69sg]

Are you sure you are a landed ********? They don't call PRs PR over there

And yes, it is possible for foreign doctors to practice there. I know of two (back to back) who were offered a job when they did their 1 year sub-specialisation in Toronto.

You may be right about the ulu doctor thing being a myth though.

yes I am a landed immigrant lah.

Of course it is possible for foreign doctors to practice here. But only after going through all the hoops.

Offered a job? Are you talking about those Singapore doctors who go to Canada on HMDP? Most of them never take it up. For them, finishing the HMDP, they return to be associate consultants, some full consultants. Too much invested already up to that point. Plus there is a bond to pay up if they break it.

Personally, BEFORE I actually started going about trying to migrate, I always thought that doctors had skills that were in demand and should have little problems migrating and practising medicine. I even had all these young consultants coming back from Canada telling how they were "offered" a job in Canada and could migrate to Canada and practise there anytime they wanted.

How WRONG I was! All those young consultants were just dreaming of "what ifs". Little wonder we don't hear of specialists migrating in numbers.

Anyway it didn't deter me. If it meant having to give up practising medicine, so be it. I gave up my specialization training right after I applied for PR so that I ensured that I would not get caught in that trap. As it is most of my contemporaries are now doing their HMDP in North America.

For some reason people just like to continue perpetuating this myth about foreign doctors being able to practice medicine straight away if they go to ulu areas. Canada is not Australia. And Australia doesn't give PR to the foreign doctors. They just get them in to practice on temp visas first. After you go through hoops then get PR. Which is why I am not in Australia but in Canada! I rather have my PR in hand first.

 

[cass888]

Offered a job? Are you talking about those Singapore doctors who go to Canada on HMDP? Most of them never take it up. For them, finishing the HMDP, they return to be associate consultants, some full consultants. Too much invested already up to that point. Plus there is a bond to pay up if they break it.

Yes, they were offered during the HMDP. Don't know if they were offered landed but both were assured that they would have no problems with registration. Both were already AC before HMDP. Don't remember whether they were offered consultant status there though.

 

[nayr69sg]

Yes, they were offered during the HMDP. Don't know if they were offered landed but both were assured that they would have no problems with registration. Both were already AC before HMDP. Don't remember whether they were offered consultant status there though.

It is always the same story. It sounds SO GOOD!

Truth be told I was also offered a family physician position in Frankston (Melbourne) back in 2004, I accepted the position, signed on the dotted line, was told there would be "no problems" with registration and Victoria State Medical Board came back with a "NO" reply.

If you look at the black and white on how foreign doctors have to qualify to be fully licensed you wonder what "no problems" actually means. Maybe it is the same as what everyone tells me when they say I should have "no problems" getting my licence here too. In fact people still say that "Doctor from Singapore, should have 'no problems'". But then these people have no clue about the actual process. The irony is some of these people are doctors in Canada! But you can't blame them because they have no need to know how a foreign doctor has to qualify for a full license.

It is like if you asked me how does a foreign doctor qualify to work in Singapore I would say there would be "no problems" getting a license but have frankly absolutely no idea how to go about it.

I think maybe the real reason why Singapore medical specialists don't migrate is because they just love Singapore! Real patriotic fellas.

I asked one psychiatrist who was in Toronto on HMDP whether he didn't move because he hated Toronto? And he said he loved Toronto. But Singapore is "home".

 

[cass888]

It is always the same story. It sounds SO GOOD!

Truth be told I was also offered a family physician position in Frankston (Melbourne) back in 2004, I accepted the position, signed on the dotted line, was told there would be "no problems" with registration and Victoria State Medical Board came back with a "NO" reply.

Could it be that they have already been working for a year in the hospital already? Would it make a difference that they're specialists and you're not (no offence intended)? Perhaps the Canadians recognised the FRCS and not the MBBS?

If you look at the black and white on how foreign doctors have to qualify to be fully licensed you wonder what "no problems" actually means. Maybe it is the same as what everyone tells me when they say I should have "no problems" getting my licence here too. In fact people still say that "Doctor from Singapore, should have 'no problems'". But then these people have no clue about the actual process. The irony is some of these people are doctors in Canada! But you can't blame them because they have no need to know how a foreign doctor has to qualify for a full license.

The person making the offer was the head of the hospital. Do not know why but both were invited back to back.

I think maybe the real reason why Singapore medical specialists don't migrate is because they just love Singapore! Real patriotic fellas.

The real reason is that Canadian doctors can't make the kind of money the Singapore doctors can make. I believe there's some stupid rule that you cannot charge a patient more or cannot give him a priority or something like that. An OHIP patient and a megamillionaire is treated the same.

I asked one psychiatrist who was in Toronto on HMDP whether he didn't move because he hated Toronto? And he said he loved Toronto. But Singapore is "home".

See above.

 

[nayr69sg]

You might be right about the MRCS (it's no longer called FRCS). But then again we also hear about the plight of Canadians who have studied in UK, finished their MRCS and training and still cannot practice in Canada.

Things are changing though. Specializing definitely helps. But it is a huge investment of time and effort not to mention lower pay over that 5 years to then pack up and start all over again with uncertainty with less funds to tide one through.

As to making money.....if the doctor's objective is to make money, then better stay in Singapore. In fact anyone who wants to make big money and is a professional would be better off staying in Singapore.

I still believe that it is possible for me to practice here in Canada though and will give it a try.

Personally I am actually a firm believer that medical services should be approached from a socialist point of view. In Singapore where you have the opposite, it is heart breaking for poor people to feel that they were unable to get the "best" treatment for their loved ones.

It is not exactly true that the Singapore system does not provide the best treatment for subsidized patients. Sometimes they do. But the presence of this unequal system seeds a lot of suspicion and doubt into the patients. This in turn creates a lot of problems with the doctor-patient relationship with a distinct lack of trust.

Doctors should be paid fairly to treat their patients regardless WHO they are. And it is a humbling experience to millionaires when they have to queue and wait just like everyone else for their treatments. We always say we want doctors to be fair and impartial and altruistic. Well you can't have it both ways.

 

[beta64]

nayr69sg,

Have you try Ontario? This is because Ontario has the largest number of foreign trained doctors practising, not sure if you have checked out the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario's website. The requirements are listed there.

http://www.cpso.on.ca/registration/requirements/default.aspx?id=1780

 

[nayr69sg]

nayr69sg,

Have you try Ontario? This is because Ontario has the largest number of foreign trained doctors practising, not sure if you have checked out the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario's website. The requirements are listed there.

http://www.cpso.on.ca/registration/requirements/default.aspx?id=1780

Thanks for the link. It is the same as for Alberta. Basically got to take the exams and apply for residency training.

 

[exSINgaporean]

Thanks for the link. It is the same as for Alberta. Basically got to take the exams and apply for residency training.

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Your children might want to try one time.
http://edmontonunderwaterhockey.com/

 

[nayr69sg]

Thanks for the link.

Never knew there was such a game?

My boys are not into water sports, neither am I. So I guess this sort of stuff not so much for us.

 

[maozedong]

pinoys discriminate against the chinese?

if by discrimination, u also mean 'looking down', that's hilarious.

we also have many pinoys here in the Bay Area (if u don't know the Bay Area, nevermind), and while many are very nice people, there are quite a number of slightly wealthier ones who are quite arrogant -- and some of them probably 'look down' on the chinese here. but that's ridiculous! most chinese here are smarter, wealthier and more successful than them. in fact, the ang mohs nowadays are more respectful of chinamen nowadays! in fact, even fearful!

yeah, the worst thing that can happen is when chinese discriminate against chinese -- that's the saddest thing about the chinese -- killing each other -- that's why one world war 2 japanese general said that the chinese are like a plate of loose sand. so sad. that's why we need more Bruce Lee's, Sun Yet Sen's and Maozedong's

The worst thing that can happen is when the chinese discriminate against chinese.

And these chinese treat the ang moh good but treat the chinese like shit.

Even worse is when the pinoys discriminate against the chinese.

And it cannot be avoided because you need the services and these services are staffed by these racists chinese or pinoys having a payback time.

Avoid Vancouver if you don't want to meet these racist chinese and pinoys.

 

[nayr69sg]

Well for Singaporeans, you don't need to go all the way to Vancouver to find Chinese discriminating against Chinese.

In Singapore, Singapore Chinese call PRC Chinese men, Chinamen.

The whole point is why should people "look down" on other people based on their race, wealth or social status?

I guess it is human nature but in some places it is more open than other places.

 

[wendypoh]

 

[wendypoh]

 

[chuckyworld]

Guess Australia, California are land without calamity nada natural disaters, such tranquility, land of milk and honey, and not forgetting Singapore a country without crimes eh!

Canada is really bad, we have so many crime and con artist.

The rest of the world are angel's compare to Canada, we have bitter cold winter, flooding and such.


It take the strong and brave to venture and live in the wild winter Canada, we call home.

 

[neddy]

Guess Australia, California are land without calamity nada natural disaters, such tranquility, land of milk and honey, and not forgetting Singapore a country without crimes eh!

Canada is really bad, we have so many crime and con artist.

The rest of the world are angel's compare to Canada, we have bitter cold winter, flooding and such.


It take the strong and brave to venture and live in the wild winter Canada, we call home.

Excuse me, but why bring in Australia.
You are not allowed to talk bad about us okay. Our newspapers only carry good news. We shoot messagers who blow whistles on bad news like crimes, con artists and disasters. Hail Chairwoman PM Julia Gillard, hope she last longer than Mr Harper. This message is brought to you by PAP Temasek Australia - We are a country of angels. No need police.

 

[chuckyworld]

Excuse me, but why bring in Australia.
You are not allowed to talk bad about us okay. Our newspapers only carry good news. We shoot messagers who blow whistles on bad news like crimes, con artists and disasters. Hail Chairwoman PM Julia Gillard, hope she last longer than Mr Harper. This message is brought to you by PAP Temasek Australia - We are a country of angels. No need police.

Did i mention anything bad about Aussie?,

Wendy wetty love Australia she mention it is the best place on earth other than California or Singapore.

Did i not agree!....take easy we all having eh!

 

[neddy]

Did i mention anything bad about Aussie?,

Wendy wetty love Australia she mention it is the best place on earth other than California or Singapore.

Did i not agree!....take easy we all having eh!

Just getting a bit worried when someone else try to put Australia together with Singapore.

I will be surprised if all Aussies became angels overnight. Because humans are not angels.

I have been to a certain country where the official mass media only broadcast good to incredible stories but the streets are full of corruption. This country is really good at giving excuses and when that does not work, jail the whistleblowers.

What happen when we hide problems ...

Just recently, HongKong govt has to announce that baby milk formula powder will be delivered to HK families because the supermarket shelves are emptied of milk formulas. Why, mainland Chinese has been purchasing them in bulk from HK despite assurances from Chinese authorities that Chinese milk is safe.

BTW, China jailed one of the guys who complain about tainted milk for instigating social unjustice.

Same problem in Holland. Look at this news.

Chinese traders are buying up large quantities of baby milk powder in Dutch shops and supermarkets. Outlets in some areas of the Netherlands have limited the amount that can be sold at one time, because the bulk buying is making it difficult for Dutch residents to get hold of milk powder for their babies. Why are the Chinese buying up Dutch supplies?

The bottle feeding of infants is important in China as it is everywhere else. Both this year and in 2009, cases hit the headlines of Chinese babies becoming ill and even dying because the toxic substance melamine had been added to milk powder manufactured domestically. The adverse publicity has caused many Chinese parents to buy baby milk produced abroad.

Empty shelves
Nutricia, a major Dutch manufacturer of milk powder has introduced measures to combat empty shelves in shops in the Netherlands.

“Parents being confronted by empty shelves: that’s something we don’t want in Dutch shops. So we’ve increased production in the Netherlands. Together with our customers, we’ve worked on measures designed to limit the export to China as much as possible,” explains a Nutricia spokesman.

Nutricia sells it products all over the world. It also manufactures them all over the world, and its Nutrilon milk powder is made in China as well as elsewhere. The contents of Chinese Nutrilon are exactly the same as those of the product manufactured in the Netherlands but the instructions on the packaging are in Chinese. However, people are suspicious of it, because it’s produced in China, and prefer to buy imported milk powder.

Risks
Nutricia finds it worrying that Nutrilon with Dutch-language packaging is being sold in China.

“Baby food is a sensitive issue. Breast feeding is best. If that’s not possible, parents have to switch to bottle feeding. We worry that people won’t be able to read the instructions any more. It’s important to follow the instructions on how to mix baby milk carefully. An infant needs differing amounts of nutrition, depending on its age. Not too little and not too much: there are risks.”

Ahold, the company behind the Albert Heijn supermarket and the Etos pharmacy chains in the Netherlands, says there are no longer any problems with domestic stocks. Nevertheless, there are still shops in the Netherlands which are limiting sales of baby milk to 2 or 3 cans per customer.


http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/chinese-buying-dutch-baby-milk-powder

 

[wendypoh]

Small quake felt around the South Coast

February 15, 2011
The Canadian Press

A small earthquake rattled residents along B.C.'s south coast Tuesday morning.

The Pacific Geoscience Centre in Victoria reports a 2.9 magnitude shaker occurred in the southern Georgia Strait at 6:47 a.m.

The quake was centred in the ocean off Galiano Island, 19 kilometres west of the Vancouver suburb of Tsawwassen. No damage is being reported. People felt it as far away as Richmond, Delta and Vancouver.

A 4.2 magnitude quake occurred last Tuesday, deep below the U.S. San Juan Islands, just south of the latest tremor, and was lightly felt across Greater Victoria and the southern Gulf Islands.

 

[wendypoh]

 

[wendypoh]