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Windsor

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I am still curious why govt did not legislate to stop drinking bottles that are non BPA free from being put on shelves here.


We do have a government that is leans more to fire fighting than prevention. CASE is toothless, Ministry of Trade and Industry could not care less about dangerous goods like cheap China toys flooding our market. If you have experienced buying those cheap toys that after opening them at home does not work forget about being able to exchange it. NEA is not that much better, Overall we consumers are at the mercy of unscrupulous traders, unfair trading practices and not uch protection from the government. I single out the mini-bond saga as an example.
 
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The Triangle Number Under Your Water Bottle
Are you guys aware that the triangle number under your water bottle actually means something? It tells us what type of material the plastic bottle was made of. And the recent studies suggested that the most popular hard, clear and durable plastic bottle that we used was made of Polycarbonate and one of the key components of this is the endocrine-disrupting bisphenol-A (BPA). BPA can leach into the liquid and making the water toxic and can cause breast cancer in women or prostate cancer in men and some other illnesses. This bottle has numbered (3), (6) or (7) in the triangle. So, I would advice all my friends and family members to stop using any water bottle that has a number (3,6,7) under the bottle. The most common plastic bottle that we have seen everywhere has a number (7) in the triangle. I just threw away mine, all six of them. I know this bottle looks nice but it can kill also!

I guess the best re-usable water bottle would be one made from stainless steel as they don't leach any chemicals. But it can be expensive. The other is aluminum as it is BPA free and very reasonably priced. Other alternative is to look for water bottles that contained number (2) (high-density polyethylene), (4) (low-density polyethylene) and (5) (polypropylene) if it is plastic made.

If not, just drink from the glass or coffee cup. Use glasses while at home and only use the plastic water bottles with number (2), (4) and (5) in the triangle while going out. Number (1) water plastic bottle is safe to use but it was not meant to be re-used.

For updated information, click here. Looks like water bottle number (1) is safe for one time and repeated use, as long as you wash it with soap and dry it nicely each time after use.

Hi, just found a water bottle with no. 7 inside the triangle but also indicated BPA-Free on the bottle. So no. 7 still okay as long as got indicate BPA free?
 

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actually, it is not advisable to drink from the tap. i was told by a friend who is working in pub that some pipes conveying water in certain parts of spore has turned rusty. boiling water can rid the water of chlorine and i know that our water contains small amount of chlorine which is a cancer causing agent, i ever email pub regarding this and was told that their research team find that this minimal amount of chlorine will do no harm to your body, still, i think better not play play...

Just a tip. Don't boil water. Not only is the PUB water safe but it helps build necessary immunity and resistance within the body system. If you know the concept of immunisation that begins in childhood you would understand this important principle. The vaccines don't come from soap and detergent companies. They are cultured germs introduced into the body to build resistance against the very same germs.

When I first began travelling in the course of my work, the colleagues who will fall sick are invaribly the hot water drinkers. Always catching cold and sniffles. Among friends and extended relatives, the ones who fall ill often are our cautious types. Must have sweater in aircon office, drink warm water etc etc etc.

Unless you are born with an allergy kids must begin to build resistance. Every heard of a sportman or fit young chap being fuzyy about food. The most fragile person will be ultra cautious and it becomes a vicious cycle.
 
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krafty

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the one i am using for the past year has UV cleansing besides the filtering. the water quality is very pure, no strange taste although it is still alkaline. i can pass you the contact if you are keen.

I'm looking for a new one to replace an older model. Looking at the Jupiter line
http://www.kemptrading.com/

I use a water ionizer for the health benefits. However they are not cheap, prices start at $1600+ but with more "foreign" bodies being found in Spores water, some might see it as an investment:smile:

FYI Best Denki carries a cheaper model $1300+ because they have fewer ionising plates. The more expensive Novita models are I think overpriced:smile:
 

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May be a good idea in places like Cambodia but unless it is 99+% effective I don't see it catching on elsewhere. In places like Indonesia people can already get drinking water from safe springs at minimal cost. In these countries the distribrution costs are quite low.

It's the cost of food, in particular rice that is more of a concern. That's why what the sister of Thaksin did by buying up the rice is going to cause hardship in this region.
 

johnny333

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the one i am using for the past year has UV cleansing besides the filtering. the water quality is very pure, no strange taste although it is still alkaline. i can pass you the contact if you are keen.


Do you know what filtration method your unit is using?

If you don't know just pass me the number & I'll can ask company directly.
 

johnny333

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actually, it is not advisable to drink from the tap. i was told by a friend who is working in pub that some pipes conveying water in certain parts of spore has turned rusty. boiling water can rid the water of chlorine and i know that our water contains small amount of chlorine which is a cancer causing agent, i ever email pub regarding this and was told that their research team find that this minimal amount of chlorine will do no harm to your body, still, i think better not play play...

Don't know if Spore still puts fluoride in its water?

Both fluoride & chlorine are suspected carcinogens.

I've switched to using toothpaste without fluoride. These tooth pastes are available at your local health stores.
 

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Don't know if Spore still puts fluoride in its water?

Both fluoride & chlorine are suspected carcinogens.

I've switched to using toothpaste without fluoride. These tooth pastes are available at your local health stores.

Here is something lifted from Wiki about flouride in the water:

Water fluoridation controversy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The water fluoridation controversy arises from moral, ethical, and safety concerns regarding the fluoridation of public water supplies. The controversy occurs mainly in English-speaking countries, as Continental Europe does not practice water fluoridation.[1]

Those opposed argue that water fluoridation imposes ethical issues,[2] may cause serious health problems[3][4][5] is not effective enough to justify the costs, and has a dosage that cannot be precisely controlled.[6][7][8] Compared with their healthier counterparts, senior citizens, people with calcium and magnesium deficiencies, and people with impaired renal clearance are more susceptible to the negative effects of fluoride.[9][10]

Opposition to fluoridation has existed since its initiation in the 1940s.[1] During the 1950s and 1960s, some opponents of water fluoridation suggested that fluoridation was a communist plot to undermine public health.[11] Sociologist Brian Martin states that sociologists have typically viewed opposition to water fluoridation as irrational, although critics of this position have argued that this rests on an uncritical attitude toward scientific knowledge.[1]

Personally I stopped using flouride toothpaste some time ago. Now using a Lion Brand "Systema" which do not have flouride. I don't see any reason to use toothpaste with flouride since our water already has flouride.
 

johnny333

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The water fluoridation controversy arises from moral, ethical, and safety concerns regarding the fluoridation of public water supplies. The controversy occurs mainly in English-speaking countries, as Continental Europe does not practice water fluoridation.[1]

I don't really care about the moral & ethics aspect. However what concerns me is the safety aspects. With age I have started worrying about my health & what I've read about fluoride is worrisome.

The situation now is that nutrition levels of food is not what it used to be. With intense farming methods, genetic modified foods, plenty of man made chemicals being used, ,... It leaves us vulnerable:(

http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/

Fluoridation / Fluoride
Toxic Chemicals In Your Water
Note: For more information on health-building techniques, please see the Holistic Healing Web Page.


Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation), toothpaste and supplement tablets (including some vitamins) were never tested for safety before approval. Recent independent research by scientists not associated with dental trade organizations has shown the following:

Neurotoxic and Lowers IQ
In 1995, neurotoxicologist and former Director of toxicology at Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix published research showing that fluoride built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels. Damage to the brain occured and the behavior patterns of the animals was adversely effected. Offspring of pregnant animals receiving relatively low doses of fluoride showed permanent effects to the brain which were seen as hyperactivity (ADD-like symptoms). Young animals and adult animals given fluoride experienced the opposite effect -- hypoactivity or sluggishness. The toxic effects of fluoride on the central nervous system was subsequently confirmed by previously-classified government research. Two new epidemiological studies which tend to confirm fluoride's neurotoxic effects on the brain have shown that children exposed to higher levels of fluoride had lower IQs.

A study published in Brain Research shows that rats drinking only 1 part per million fluoride (NaF) in water had histologic lesions in their brain similar to Alzheimer's disease and dementia. In addition, evidence was seen pointing to possible damage to the blood brain barrier from extended fluoride exposure. This study was the third in a series of papers published by Varner et al. Brain Research Vol. 784 No. 12 p 284-298 (1998). Results of this recent study and other studies showing significant dangers from low-level fluoride exposure were presented at a recent scientific symposium.

Causes Cancer
The Department of Health in New Jersey found that bone cancer in male children was between two and seven times greater in areas where water was fluoridated. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) researchers confirmed the bone cancer-causing effects of fluoride at low levels in an animal model. A new study has shown that fluoridation of water is linked to uterine cancer deaths.

Changes Bone Structure and Strength
Fluoride gradually builds up in the bones and causes adverse changes to the bone structure. Quite a few studies have shown that fluoridation leads to increases in hip fractures. The tensile strength of the hip is destroyed over time by fluoride ingestion.

Causes Birth Defects and Perinatal Deaths
A toxicologist in the United Kingdom recently found that perinatal deaths in a fluoridated area was 15% higher than in neighboring non-fluoridated areas. The fluoridated area had a higher socio-economic status and would have been expected to have less perinatal deaths. The fluoridated area also had a 30% higher rate of Down's Syndrome. Chile banned fluoridation because of research by the world-reknowned researcher, Dr Albert Schatz, which showed a link to infant deaths due to fluoridation.

Proven Ineffective
Fluoride compounds in water and in supplements do not provide any significant cavity-protecting effects. All of the recent large-scale studies of water fluoridation have shown that there are no positive effects. That is why countries without fluoridation have shown an equal improvement in dental health as those with fluoridation. (See Research Item #5.) There is scientific evidence that excessive fluoride exposure leads to increased levels of caries. Even pro-fluoridation scientists admit that there is not any properly-conducted research showing that fluoride supplements help prevent cavities. (Note: check vitamins carefully to be sure they do not include fluoride.)

Impairs Immune System
Independent research has shown that fluoride impairs the functioning of the immune system. In the United States, where toxic fluoride compounds are regularly added to water and given to children since the 1960s and 1970s, we are beginning to see an overwhelming number of people of that generation who are developing chronic immune system disorders.

Causes Acute Adverse Reactions
Several double-blind studies have shown that fluoridated water can often cause acute adverse reactions (in addition to the chronic poisoning effects discussed below). Some of the effects seen in double-blind studies include: gastrointestinal symptoms, stomatitis, joint pains, polydipsia, headaches, visual disturbances, muscular weakness, and extreme tiredness. An enlightening review of a book by one famous and well-respected researcher from The Netherlands who found adverse reactions in double-blind experiments can be read here.

Causes Initial Stages of Skeletal Fluorosis
Fluoride can cause severe skeletal fluorosis at high levels. Chronic, long-term exposure to levels of fluoride commonly found in water and food in the U.S. can cause the beginning stages of skeletal fluorosis including: pains in bones and joints, sensations of burning, pricking, and tingling in the limbs, muscle weakness, chronic fatigue, gastrointestinal disorders, reduced appetite, backache, osteoarthritis, etc. In fact, decades of ingestion of fluoride from water and other common sources can be expected to cause these symptoms in large numbers of people based on calculations of fluoride intake and excretion. (Keep in mind that fluoride is a cumulative poison since it builds up in the body of years.) Very few healthcare practitioners are capable of diagnosing such a condition because healthcare practitioners are not trained to test for or recognize the effects chronic poisoning from fluoride.

Increases Lead and Arsenic Exposure
Fluoride compounds put into water are often contaminated with lead, arsenic and radio nuclides since the fluoride compounds are toxic waste byproducts which largely come from pollution scrubbers of fertilizer plants. A study published in 2000 showed that the dumping of toxic silicofluoride compounds into water ("fluoridation") causes an increase in blood lead levels in children.

Fluoride Causes Osteoarthritis
In a study published in Rhuematology International in 2001, researchers found a link between fluoride exposure and the development of osteoarthritis. The level of exposure that caused osteoarthritis is common in the United States.

Contributes to the Development of Repetitive Stress Injury
A clinical study in New Zealand showed that fluoride ingestion may be a contributing factor in the development of Repetative Stress Injury (RSI) since such ingestion may encourage the development of apatite crystal formation. Elimination of fluoride plus regular supplementation of magnesium appeared to help RSI patients considerably.

Causes Permanent Disfigurement of the Teeth in Many Children
A very large and increasing number of children are experiencing dental fluorosis which is a permanent adverse structural change to the teeth.

Inhibits Key Enzymes
As fluoride builds up in different parts of the body over decades it can disrupt the actions of many key enzymes. This fact has been known for a long time.

Supresses Thyroid Function
Fluoride was given at low levels during the early to mid 20th century as an effective way of supressing thyroid function and treating hyperthyroidism. Articles and research can be found on the Thyroid web page.

Causes Large Numbers of Acute Poisonings
Fluoride is an extremely poisonous substances at exceptionally low doses and has caused a large number of acute poisonings. This is why a poison warning is now required on fluoridated toothpastes sold in the U.S.

Independent Experts Oppose Dumping Fluoride Into Water
Over 1500 professionals at the US EPA, including toxicologists and risk assessment experts voted unanimously to oppose the fluoridation initiative in California because of the health risks involved. See summary or official EPA union statement. Even the Candian Dental Association Consultant and Researcher urged people to avoid drinking fluoridated water.

Unethical
Fluoridation amounts to forced medication of the water supply. Such practices demonstrate a complete lack of ethics on the part of its promoters. Studies as early the 1930s showed extreme hazards to man and the environment due to fluoride dumping and exposure. Companies and organizations involved used the promotion of "fluoridation" as a way to avoid lawsuits due to dumping toxic wastes and later for economic gain. Please read the short history of fluoridation for more detailed information.

Banned in Many Countries
Fluoridation is not legal or not used in the overwhelming number of countries including industrialized countries. Please see Fluoride Status of Countries web page.


Many independent researchers, organizations, holistic healthcare experts and a growing number of dentists who avoid the use of toxic substances are warning their patients to avoid fluoridated water and fluoridated toothpaste and to definately not give children any fluoride since they appear to be more susceptible to the neurological toxicity from fluoride.

If your water department adds toxic fluoride compounds to the water, the best course of action is usually to drink and cook with bottled "spring" water. Carbon filters do not remove fluoride compounds to any significant extent. Avoid putting fluoridated water in humidifiers. Many non-organic juices have large amounts of fluoride from pesticide residues. It is best to juice your own vegetables and fruits from organic produce or go to a health food store to purchase organic juices.

Avoid toothpastes that have fluoride even if the manufacturers claim that the fluoride came from "natural" sources. Even though topical fluoride treatment may have an effect to help remineralize cavities at the early stages, the combination of a healthy diet, proper dental hygiene and saliva can have a similar effect. It is impossible to avoid swallowing some fluoride from fluoridated toothpaste. I have tried various toothpastes and current use the natural Weleda toothpaste with baking soda. I like that fact that it does not contain fluoride or the detergent, sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS).

More detailed information about fluoride and proper dental care:

Fluoridation Does Not Prevent Tooth Decay

Fluoride: Detailed General & Scientific Information

Fluoride: Journal of the International Society for Fluoride Research

Parents of Fluoride Poisoned Children: Main Page / Toxicological Profile / Thyroid Page

International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology Position Paper on Fluoridation (Click on Download Article)

Scientific Statement Signed By 1,500+ U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Scientists and Professionals

NoFluoride.com (Statements by Scientific and Medical Experts)

Fluoride Action Network

Fluoride Issues Web Page

Fluorides & Fluoridation: Evidence Based on Science?

Citizens for Safe Drinking Water

Fluoride: The Deadly Legacy by Gary Null

Book Review: The Fluoride Deception

History of Fluorine, Fluoride and Fluoridation

Article & Resources for Eliminating Dental Disease

Alternatives to Fluoridated Water

Preventive Dental Association

Dental Fluorosis Prevention Program

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I suspected PUB decided after donkey years to reduce the chlorine content as I recall during daily washing there strong chlorine odour was no longer detected. Cab anyone verify this? They change the use of chlorine to chloramine since 2005.

Fluoridation of our water does not take into account that the percentage amount does not differ between babies and adults. Effectively, babies drinking milk using boiled tap water is consuming the fluoridated water in larger amounts than an adult percentage-wise. Boiling the water does not remove fluoride.
 

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From water bottle become water issue.
Singapore water consider very clean. No need diamond filter. If worry just use the normal filter type is good enough to remove any big particle of rusty in the pipe.
Even if you buy high end product can filter all the thing. Will that mean you will not eat/drink outside from home.
Do you think restuarant/hawker/...................will have the pure water?
 

johnny333

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Fluoridation of our water does not take into account that the percentage amount does not differ between babies and adults. Effectively, babies drinking milk using boiled tap water is consuming the fluoridated water in larger amounts than an adult percentage-wise. Boiling the water does not remove fluoride.


I think distilling removes fluoride. I've seen small dstillers sold in Spore. The Novita NW 200 and NW-220
http://www.novita.com.sg/drink-200.html
http://www.novita.com.sg/drink-220.html

It uses alot more power but if you have a baby it might be worth the investment.

At the supermarket I see people buying distilled water obviously some people don't trust the water quality.
 

Windsor

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I think distilling removes fluoride. I've seen small dstillers sold in Spore. The Novita NW 200 and NW-220
http://www.novita.com.sg/drink-200.html
http://www.novita.com.sg/drink-220.html

It uses alot more power but if you have a baby it might be worth the investment.

At the supermarket I see people buying distilled water obviously some people don't trust the water quality.

Canadians Vote Against Fluoridated Water Supplies

http://www.cosmeticdentistryguide.co.uk/news/canadians-vote-against-fluoridated-water-supplies-4946
 

johnny333

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From water bottle become water issue.
Singapore water consider very clean. No need diamond filter. If worry just use the normal filter type is good enough to remove any big particle of rusty in the pipe.
Even if you buy high end product can filter all the thing. Will that mean you will not eat/drink outside from home.
Do you think restuarant/hawker/...................will have the pure water?

For me I'm looking at an ionizer because of the health aspect. Anyone who has ever used an ionizising sysem can tell you that the water tastes "better".
Drinking more alkaline water is supposed to be healthier.

People have different priorities e.g. for Gurmit Singh it's about getting a Lambo
For me it's investing in health products. :smile:

I remember reading that LKY only drinks Evian water:smile: He can of course afford to drink imported water but has anyone ever wondered why:confused:
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