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Another Jinx Whore's Loss

Merl Haggard

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http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=1398.HK#symbol=1398.hk;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;


Three days after paying HK5.50 for ICBC, it has now plunged down to HK4.44.

There goes more of your CPF money!




Temasek Increases Stake in ICBC as Goldman Ends Holding


By Bloomberg News - May 22, 2013



Temasek Holdings Pte (TMSK), Singapore’s state-owned investment company, boosted its stake in Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd for the third time in a year as Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) exited its seven-year-old investment.

Temasek bought 280 million shares in the world’s largest bank by market value at an average price of HK$5.50 a share, or a total of HK$1.54 billion ($198 million), according to a Hong Kong stock exchange statement yesterday. Goldman Sachs raised $1.1 billion by selling 1.58 billion shares in ICBC on the same day, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The purchase underscores Temasek’s interest in China’s largest state-controlled banks, leading it to accumulate $21 billion of holdings in Beijing-based ICBC, China Construction Bank Corp and Bank of China Ltd over the past two years. Global firms including Goldman Sachs and Bank of America Corp (BAC) have divested holdings as new capital rules known as Basel III make it more expensive to hold minority stakes in banks.

“Temasek has a different strategy and timetable for the investments, and it will probably hold these stakes for longer,” said Wilson Li, a Shenzhen-based analyst at Guotai Junan Securities Co. “Temasek is different from Goldman Sachs and other investors because it is not subject to the capital requirement which basically forced all those global banks to get rid of non-core businesses.”

China Appetite

Temasek bought 3.55 billion ICBC shares at HK$5.05 apiece from Goldman Sachs in April last year and then disclosed the purchase of a further 83.7 million shares in the Chinese lender the following month. Yesterday’s purchase boosted its total holding to 7.04 percent of ICBC’s Hong Kong-listed shares from 6.71 percent, according to the filing.

Global financial firms including Temasek have invested $33 billion in Chinese lenders from 2001 to 2009, according to regulatory data. They still own at least $45 billion of stakes in the local banks, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

The Singapore company, which managed S$198 billion of assets as of March 2012, also owns 7.4 percent of Construction Bank shares traded in Hong Kong, valued at $14.9 billion, and 3.7 percent of Bank of China’s Hong Kong-listed shares worth about $1.5 billion, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Jeffrey Fang, a spokesman for Temasek in Singapore, confirmed the latest investment and declined to comment further.

Capital Constraints

Goldman Sachs joins Citigroup Inc (C) and Bank of America in cutting holdings in China as new rules set by the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision require punitive capital deductions for holding minority investments in other financial institutions. New York-based Goldman Sachs has reaped about $12 billion in sales proceeds and dividends from its $2.58 billion investment in ICBC, calculations by Macquarie Capital Securities Ltd. showed.

Goldman Sachs (GS) and its client funds offloaded ICBC shares at least five times before the latest transaction after first investing in ICBC in 2006.

The Chinese lender, which is the world’s most profitable bank, last month reported a 12 percent increase in first-quarter profit, defying a sluggish domestic economy to boost lending.

ICBC rose 0.2 percent to close at HK$5.53 in Hong Kong. Construction Bank fell 0.2 percent while Bank of China lost 0.8 percent.

The opening of Hong Kong’s exchange was delayed today after the city issued a “black” rainstorm warning because of rainfall expected to exceed 70 millimeters an hour.

China’s biggest banks are trading near record-low valuations on concern that profit growth may slow as loans sour and the government deregulates interest rates. ICBC trades at about six times estimated 2013 earnings, down from a high of 21 times in early 2008, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

Temasek isn’t the only Singapore financial company to expand in the region to tap growth outside its home market. DBS Group Holdings Ltd, Southeast Asia’s largest lender, yesterday won approval from Indonesia’s central bank to acquire a $2.75 billion stake in PT Bank Danamon Indonesia.
 

laksaboy

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Dear Ho Ching....


[video=youtube;HeHUQAnzpF0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeHUQAnzpF0[/video]
 

halsey02

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LONG TERM INVESTMENTS...why are you guys making so much noise...LOOOOONNGGGG TTTTTEERRRRM!
 

chootchiew

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I guessed she probably lose till numb liao..same like me when punt horse and ball keep losing, the next lost and next lost becomes no feeling like deadwood .$ doesn't matter anymore is just a pieces of papers like tat.
 

Narong Wongwan

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You all kpkb she loss....
She smiling about big kickback pocketed. Another contribution to leegime run road fund.
FIL and wife pinky said good job.
 
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Merl Haggard

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It's going down further.

I'm a small timer and I know that China is having a credit squeeze/crisis.

How can this butch who draws 12m to 18m a year not know what's going on?
 

batman1

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We pray to see the day HJ will stand public trial televised worldwide and sentenced to jail for life until death same like Qiang Ching of Gang of Four.
 

Leongsam

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These are long term investments not speculative trading.

Over the long term, Temasek's performance is a dazzling 17% pa which is an excellent performance by any measure.
 

AhGuan

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These are long term investments not speculative trading.

Over the long term, Temasek's performance is a dazzling 17% pa which is an excellent performance by any measure.


" ...... long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead " - John Maynard Keynes
 

Leongsam

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" ...... long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead " - John Maynard Keynes

The fund is not for the benefit of individuals. It's part of the national reserves and Singapore will be around for the long term as long as the PAP is in charge.

Of course if the citizens do something dumb like voting them out of office, then you'll only have yourselves to blame if the country goes broke.
 

jw5

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on deck kapitan tells his two first mates with a sigh
recalls the day ship sailed and told his wife good bye
one last time dear, and don't keep asking why
the advice to her was not to sell low buy high
 

watchman8

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These are long term investments not speculative trading.

Over the long term, Temasek's performance is a dazzling 17% pa which is an excellent performance by any measure.
17% was pre-2008, and it was achieved mainly in the earlier years from cheap GLC shares gifted to temasick from MOF. To this day, MOF is still transferring national assets cheaply to Temasick, only for Temasick to sell these off at market price within a few short years.

http://www.powerseraya.com.sg/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=13

In the earlier days, the same "investment strategy" was deployed for DBS, Singtel, Keppel etc. whereby these national assets are gifted to temasek at low ball prices, and temasek subsequently listed these national entities on stock markets, thereby enjoying sudden inflation of net worth.
 

I_Hate_Pappies

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The fund is not for the benefit of individuals. It's part of the national reserves and Singapore will be around for the long term as long as the PAP is in charge.

Of course if the citizens do something dumb like voting them out of office, then you'll only have yourselves to blame if the country goes broke.

Sound exactly like what Lee Con You will say. :oIo::kma:
 

Leongsam

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17% was pre-2008, and it was achieved mainly in the earlier years from cheap GLC shares gifted to temasick from MOF. To this day, MOF is still transferring national assets cheaply to Temasick, only for Temasick to sell these off at market price within a few short years.

http://www.powerseraya.com.sg/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=13

In the earlier days, the same "investment strategy" was deployed for DBS, Singtel, Keppel etc. whereby these national assets are gifted to temasek at low ball prices, and temasek subsequently listed these national entities on stock markets, thereby enjoying sudden inflation of net worth.

Don't fall for lies and distortions of these sorts of articles written with an obvious anti PAP, anti Temasek agenda.

No fund has ever operated without incurring losses and acquisition disasters. It's part and parcel of the territory. Temasek has made some errors of judgement but that does not alter the fact that it is extremely profitable and is operated with integrity and foresight.
 

Merl Haggard

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These are long term investments not speculative trading.

Over the long term, Temasek's performance is a dazzling 17% pa which is an excellent performance by any measure.



After they spent US$7b to buy Merrill Lynch at US53$ a share in late 2007, lau-yeow-siew also came out to say it's for the long haul.

In 2009 after Merrill Lynch was forced to merge with Bank of America, the Whore cut loss at US$5 a share.

As a result of the above loss together with a few others, the Whore had to sell two crown jewels (power stations) to cover the losses.
 

Yingge

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Did you guys praise her last month when the price is HK 5.64???

The HSI down about 20% in 1 month...

They cannot buy and sell monthly like us... Hong Kong will ask them to go fark spider!!!

This is a long term investment...
 
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Leongsam

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After they spent US$7b to buy Merrill Lynch at US53$ a share in late 2007, lau-yeow-siew also came out to say it's for the long haul.

In 2009 after Merrill Lynch was forced to merge with Bank of America, the Whore cut loss at US$5 a share.

As a result of the above loss together with a few others, the Whore had to sell two crown jewels (power stations) to cover the losses.

I already said that you have to look at the overall performance of a fund you twit. No fund has 100% winners and no losses. You must be living in some sort of dreamland. :rolleyes:
 

AhGuan

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I already said that you have to look at the overall performance of a fund you twit. No fund has 100% winners and no losses. You must be living in some sort of dreamland. :rolleyes:

A monkey throwing darts at the board will perform better than her.
 
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