read a government language survey dated years ago. 55% of Chinese kids below age 10 spoke English at home, 40% spoke Mandarin, and 5% dialects. even Mandarin's usage is declining sharply among the young generation in the last 10/15 years, a result of the PAP government's fucked-up Bilingual policy.
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all dialects are dead in singapore!!
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Sik Duk Mow Sai !:o
feeling quite amused this morning when i watched a 1/2 hour clip on the poor senior folks. it was mercifully generous that they slotted in some hokkien dialects here and there at a chinese docu at 10am.
just WTF the gahmen is trying to do? like doing a 50 shades of grey on the elderlies :(
just WTF the gahmen is trying to do? like doing a 50 shades of grey on the elderlies :(
Yow Cheong hoi loi hung !:o
see what i mean? not many will understand what u are trying to say
hence will u be able to use your dialect to communicate with the rest of the world?
you guys should thank the PAP for making english as the common language used in schools and society
hence will u be able to use your dialect to communicate with the rest of the world?
you guys should thank the PAP for making english as the common language used in schools and society
You are right. You can proceed to, sik see and also yum liu !!:o
sad ... tis shows u have lost ur roots in ur own dialect ...
I don't know about the others, but CJ Sunderesh is not a Tamil speaker; he's Malayalee.
I do thank the PAPzis for:
- making English the official language of administration and teaching it as a 1st language
- making Mandarin the language of Chinese instruction.
- that they sought to cleanse Singapore of all other Chinese languages
- and in so doing, robbed Chinese people of an anchor to their culture
- thus, taking away our confidence in ourselves
- and stunting our progress towards a Singaporean identity.
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[*]that they sought to cleanse Singapore of all other Chinese languages
how? by promoting the speak mandarin campaign and doing class in English?
cant you speak your dialect at home and with relatives?
and in so doing, robbed Chinese people of an anchor to their culture
how? by keeping/maintaining all these places?
have you not visit places like Chinatown Heritage Centre, Chinese Heritage Centre, Fuk Tak Chi Museum,
Jamae Mosque and the list goes on..
thus, taking away our confidence in ourselves
Do you lose your confidence just because of that? really say what material you are made from.
]and stunting our progress towards a Singaporean identity.
tell me how letting more people to speak your chinese dialect can help to achieve that?
it seems what you actually want is an Ah tiong identity more than not a Singapore ID
how? by promoting the speak mandarin campaign and doing class in English?
cant you speak your dialect at home and with relatives?
and in so doing, robbed Chinese people of an anchor to their culture
how? by keeping/maintaining all these places?
have you not visit places like Chinatown Heritage Centre, Chinese Heritage Centre, Fuk Tak Chi Museum,
Jamae Mosque and the list goes on..
thus, taking away our confidence in ourselves
Do you lose your confidence just because of that? really say what material you are made from.
]and stunting our progress towards a Singaporean identity.
tell me how letting more people to speak your chinese dialect can help to achieve that?
it seems what you actually want is an Ah tiong identity more than not a Singapore ID
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speak mandarin equal Singaporean.
speak dialect equal ah toing.
why PRCs on this island don't speak dialect but mandarin leh?
speak dialect equal ah toing.
why PRCs on this island don't speak dialect but mandarin leh?
I shall assume you are genuine and respond accordingly.
On linguistic cleansing, they did it by:
You were oddly astute when you mention the various museums; museums are places where we marvel at what has been lost. Much of the non-Mandarin culture in Singapore has been killed off and resides only in museums. I prefer to live and evolve it, rather than view its past form.
I will deal with the last 2 points together. Maybe many are not as 'strong' as you are but comfort in one's language and culture has always been a source of personal as well as communal confidence. See what happened when white people deemed native cultures in America and Australia to be inferior and tried to 'improve' them. Without this confidence, the 'Singapore identity' that is forced on us is hollow and fragile. With it, we offer what is ours and accept what other communities offer us.
On linguistic cleansing, they did it by:
- removing non Mandarin Chinese languages from nearly all official media
- doing the same with entertainment, even in the cinemas
- pinyinizing all traditional foods so that they are uprooted from the roots of their origins
- calling non-Mandarin Chinese an infection (LKY, a couple of years back).
You were oddly astute when you mention the various museums; museums are places where we marvel at what has been lost. Much of the non-Mandarin culture in Singapore has been killed off and resides only in museums. I prefer to live and evolve it, rather than view its past form.
I will deal with the last 2 points together. Maybe many are not as 'strong' as you are but comfort in one's language and culture has always been a source of personal as well as communal confidence. See what happened when white people deemed native cultures in America and Australia to be inferior and tried to 'improve' them. Without this confidence, the 'Singapore identity' that is forced on us is hollow and fragile. With it, we offer what is ours and accept what other communities offer us.
what are you on? mandarin or the chinese dialect?
you dont seems to know what you are talking about.
post again when you can debate with some regularity.
you dont seems to know what you are talking about.
post again when you can debate with some regularity.
Dialects are variations of a 'standard' language. By that definition, Cantonese, Hokkien, Teochew, etc. are NOT dialects of Mandarin. Rather, they are languages that in the distant past had adopted the Chinese script. Over 5000 years, too, they've converged to some extent but are in fact different Chinese languages. I hope this helps you.
and your point is?
that Singapore should replace mandarin with dialect and all Singaporean should use dialect instead of English/mandarin??
that Singapore should replace mandarin with dialect and all Singaporean should use dialect instead of English/mandarin??
The point is: The damaging part is banning the public broadcast.
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