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Tan Jee Say Mystery ?
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salient points. i've made some comments on his behaviour earlier. but i am under moderation.
Did Tan Jee Say ask TKL to speak at SDP rally?
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You mean "many people" have asked TKL to pull out if TJS is in?
Agree. In fact Tan Jee Say has stronger base for the campaign. I am highly doubtful that he qualifies.
I don't think TKL will have to ask anyone. He is drinking from the exact same pond as TJS with minor segments not meeting. It's $40k down the drain. And TKL has painstakingly has mentioned on 2 occasions that the deposit comes straight from his pocket and the rest from the"people" who are committed. He has no intention to lose a dime in this campaign. If TJS comes in, the likelihood is very high, the vote split is obvious.
This is no ordinary move. There is something going on. Here is somethingsto ponder.
1. There is no way that TJS qualifies. Boutique fund management is exactly that. There is hardly any capital to lose and within the first few account booking, you would get more than sufficient fund management fee to pay off rentals, and all outgoings with surplus. It is based more on reputation. There is no comparison with $100m capitalisation. There is also no comparison with TKL's background.
2. TJS and TCB are more than acquaintances.
3. I mentioned SDP Sebastian as it's history and its existence has long being questioned because of the nature of politics. Always disapprearing and and appearing just before the elections. It has long being regarded as a proxy of PAP benefactors designed to split votes or to threaten to split votes. The fact that 99.999% of Singaporeans were not aware that the secretary general is merely a spokesperson and has no power in the CEC and the leader is actually the President. The resignation of GMS is not a surprise. Sebastian had showed his colours over the Moulmein and during the press conference is quite evidential.
4. By the way benefactors with or without support or consent of the Party that they support has been part and parcel of politics in all countries. The Chinese Chmaber of Commerce has been a PAP benefactor since 1959. Property developers are another.
5. There is also a possibility that TJS wants a quiet and dignified exit out of SDP. He knows full well that he does not qualify. It also explains why he conveniently mentioned SDP and Chee. To contest he has to resign from SDP.
6. At this stage, not many things seem to connect. To the Govt, both TKL and TJS has to be in play to cancel each other out to be meaningful to TT.
7. TJS ego is quite well known. And he can be quite demanding. I am sure that someone has managed to work on his ego or he is looking for publicity for his next campaign. I don't think the latter's is the case.
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1. There is no way that TJS qualifies. Boutique fund management is exactly that. There is hardly any capital to lose and within the first few account booking, you would get more than sufficient fund management fee to pay off rentals, and all outgoings with surplus. It is based more on reputation. There is no comparison with $100m capitalisation. There is also no comparison with TKL's background.
2. TJS and TCB are more than acquaintances.
3. I mentioned SDP Sebastian as it's history and its existence has long being questioned because of the nature of politics. Always disapprearing and and appearing just before the elections. It has long being regarded as a proxy of PAP benefactors designed to split votes or to threaten to split votes. The fact that 99.999% of Singaporeans were not aware that the secretary general is merely a spokesperson and has no power in the CEC and the leader is actually the President. The resignation of GMS is not a surprise. Sebastian had showed his colours over the Moulmein and during the press conference is quite evidential.
4. By the way benefactors with or without support or consent of the Party that they support has been part and parcel of politics in all countries. The Chinese Chmaber of Commerce has been a PAP benefactor since 1959. Property developers are another.
5. There is also a possibility that TJS wants a quiet and dignified exit out of SDP. He knows full well that he does not qualify. It also explains why he conveniently mentioned SDP and Chee. To contest he has to resign from SDP.
6. At this stage, not many things seem to connect. To the Govt, both TKL and TJS has to be in play to cancel each other out to be meaningful to TT.
7. TJS ego is quite well known. And he can be quite demanding. I am sure that someone has managed to work on his ego or he is looking for publicity for his next campaign. I don't think the latter's is the case.
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It will either be
TT/TCB/TKL
OR
TT/TCB/TJS
There is close to 0% chance that it will be
TT/TCB/TKL/TJS
TKL will not announce or signal his intention to withdraw until TJS gets the COE.
TKL will always depend on what 'many people' tell him. He doesn't seem to have a mind of his own.
I agree.
As a very capable individual, I am wondering what Tan Jee Say is up to. I suspect that he is looking for dignified exit from SDP. He knows that he will not qualify.
Not sure if are aware, but the recent interest in SDP had significantly shifted in the type of people that have come in and those that are not keen to be with it because of this new lot.
As a very capable individual, I am wondering what Tan Jee Say is up to. I suspect that he is looking for dignified exit from SDP. He knows that he will not qualify.
Not sure if are aware, but the recent interest in SDP had significantly shifted in the type of people that have come in and those that are not keen to be with it because of this new lot.
101% agree.. lol, not most of the time but ALL THE TIME, his favourite quote, many people told me, many people asked me and so forth... his first sentence via his speech/comment - MANY PEOPLE blah blah.....
Mr Tan Jee Say has the same intent as Mr Tan Kin Lian. Both are looking to raise their profiles and leave behind a legacy of political engagement.
For TJS, the compulsion is even stronger because he tasted blood at the GE. 39.9% is not something to be sniffed at, if you compare to previous performance of SDP and the whole opposition in previous GEs (2001 & 2006).
The whole opposition has high regard of TJS because of his career background. Just ask around. Not a single negative comment. Glowing remarks and words of praise all round. That kind of attention, once gotten, is not easy to let go. It goes to your head.
TJS is NOT looking to gracefully exit SDP because he does not need such an exit. He can call the shots in SDP because of his perceived stature. Think he is really below the Chairman & Sec-Gen? John Tan & James Gomez are not just a B team, but a forgotten team. Its so very sad because they did so much of the hard work behind the scenes but opposition supporters do not focus on their contribution, which is not small at all.
TJS will 90% not qualify for the PE. On the off chance that he does, imagine how that will boost his stature within SDP. He will be Sec Gen in 2016.
TJS knows the commission will deny him a COE. The purpose of his standing is to do a re-profiling of his political image and also to gauge external support in case things get rough between him and Dr Chee. In any case, the mere coverage he gets as a result of his announced intent to contest already makes him a winner.
TJS is smart. He knows he has a good set of cards and knows how to play his hand well.
For TJS, the compulsion is even stronger because he tasted blood at the GE. 39.9% is not something to be sniffed at, if you compare to previous performance of SDP and the whole opposition in previous GEs (2001 & 2006).
The whole opposition has high regard of TJS because of his career background. Just ask around. Not a single negative comment. Glowing remarks and words of praise all round. That kind of attention, once gotten, is not easy to let go. It goes to your head.
TJS is NOT looking to gracefully exit SDP because he does not need such an exit. He can call the shots in SDP because of his perceived stature. Think he is really below the Chairman & Sec-Gen? John Tan & James Gomez are not just a B team, but a forgotten team. Its so very sad because they did so much of the hard work behind the scenes but opposition supporters do not focus on their contribution, which is not small at all.
TJS will 90% not qualify for the PE. On the off chance that he does, imagine how that will boost his stature within SDP. He will be Sec Gen in 2016.
TJS knows the commission will deny him a COE. The purpose of his standing is to do a re-profiling of his political image and also to gauge external support in case things get rough between him and Dr Chee. In any case, the mere coverage he gets as a result of his announced intent to contest already makes him a winner.
TJS is smart. He knows he has a good set of cards and knows how to play his hand well.
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I beg to differ. The nature of parties is that you need to climb up the ranks and in order to do that you need to get into good books with the leadership. It's the same for any party, PAP or WP. Obviously it is not in TJS case. You're talking about SDP here and not NSP or WP who would value TJS credentials more. There's a chance he can't fit in.
Gomez is a newbie but John Tan is not. He came in many years back and would be a powerful person within SDP as ASG. At this point of time TJS would have been appointed as a cadre and if he was, it would give him something less to resign to go for something that he cannot qualify. Also, given his age, it is not likely for CSJ to give way to him. He's nearly 10 years older than CSJ.
He may not realise it, but being rejected by the PEC doesn't put your credibility in good standing. It doesn't matter if the PEC is PAP controlled or PAP affilated because it gives the impression of being a reject. This is a Singapore psyche. SDP stalwarts also do not welcome that because they think the president role is a farce. He is unlikely to be seen in a good light (not in bad light either) if he returns to SDP. And I kind of don't think he will. Many people I spoke to does think it is his exit strategy.
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Have to disagree bro. I am certain that he does not qualify and the committee is on firm ground to reject. Even an experienced bookkeeper let alone a 1st year accountancy student will know that he does not qualify.
Why the need to raise his profile in this manner when he will not qualify and the outcome is negative.
He has little influence in SDP. SDP is not the first party that he approached, it was the last. He has to take on VW before he can take on Chee. He has not built his status within the party.
I also found it odd that having being consulted by TCB over a number of matters towards the Presidency, he is now going for it. Seems odd. I won't be surprised after rejection by the committee he will throw his weight behind TCB and be his campaign lead of some sort.
I am now more inclined to think that is indeed looking for a dignified exit from SDP having realised that he will play second fiddle to VW, Chee and others.
In fact, it is a quite a smart way - no expenses, no deposit, just some paper work.
The proof is in the pudding - watch he will not re-join SDP and in less than 5 years, he will appear with his own party or join another but not SDP.
Why the need to raise his profile in this manner when he will not qualify and the outcome is negative.
He has little influence in SDP. SDP is not the first party that he approached, it was the last. He has to take on VW before he can take on Chee. He has not built his status within the party.
I also found it odd that having being consulted by TCB over a number of matters towards the Presidency, he is now going for it. Seems odd. I won't be surprised after rejection by the committee he will throw his weight behind TCB and be his campaign lead of some sort.
I am now more inclined to think that is indeed looking for a dignified exit from SDP having realised that he will play second fiddle to VW, Chee and others.
In fact, it is a quite a smart way - no expenses, no deposit, just some paper work.
The proof is in the pudding - watch he will not re-join SDP and in less than 5 years, he will appear with his own party or join another but not SDP.
Not knowing JS but just looking from outside in, what he is doing smacks of opportunism. He appears to be exiting from SDP in the wake of the GE as fast as he had entered to now jump on the bandwagon for the EP just as quickly as he had done so for the GE. This doesnt reflect well on him. It kinda begs the question - what does he really want?
I also agree that failing to qualify for the EP or failing to win is not going to be a positive development for his political career (if he is serious about one), and may well come home to haunt him.
I also agree that failing to qualify for the EP or failing to win is not going to be a positive development for his political career (if he is serious about one), and may well come home to haunt him.
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The million $$$ salary & a huge city garden for all Sinkies to enjoy!
TJS doesn't really care if it will haunt him, this is a one shot thing for him, not everyone (you and me included) has the chance to announce for their intention to contest in EP, and if TJS doesn't jump in this time, he may never get the chance next time.
TJS has the opportunity to contest in the EP and he took the opportunity. That's better than no opportunity.
