Challenge accepted: PSP vs PAP debate on CECA

[glockman]

Debate? Will it be held in a neutral venue? And who is the debate moderator?

It's a farce, and probably a distraction from the pandemic.

That's the reality, isn't it. It's never a level playing field. But let us be hopeful, just don't hold our breath.

 

[syed putra]

Why are you such a racist? Must it always be about race?


Go chink go!

There is a very good reason why indians excel in the legal profession. China gut stand no chance. Malays even worse. Malays normally avoid debate or quarrel.

 

[glockman]

There is a very good reason why indians excel in the legal profession. China gut stand no chance. Malays even worse. Malays normally avoid debate or quarrel.

Twist, turn, go around the coconut tree. Yep, they're good!

 

[JohnTan]

Staff Writer, Singapore
·Editorial Team
Tue, 22 June 2021, 5:15 pm

Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam (left) has challenged the PSP's Leong Mun Wai (right) to debate CECA in Parliament. (Yahoo News Singapore file photos)

SINGAPORE — The Progress Singapore Party (PSP) has accepted Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam's challenge to debate the Singapore-India Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA) in Parliament.

"The most important economic policies that have affected the jobs and livelihoods of Singaporeans relate to Foreign PMETs and Free Trade Agreements, in particular the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA) with India," said Non-Constituency Member of Parliament Leong Mun Wai in a Facebook post on Tuesday (22 June), referring to professionals, managers, executives and technicians (PMETs).

Leong, who is a member of the PSP's central executive committee, added that his party will seek "further information from the government" in Parliament next month in preparation for the debate, after which it will "decide on a suitable time to file a motion".

"It will be then up to the Speaker’s discretion to confirm the date of the debate," he added.

During a parliamentary session in May, Shanmugam issued a challenge to Leong to openly debate CECA.

"If anyone here believes that CECA is a problem, put it up for a motion debated openly, and let's hear whether Singaporeans benefit or lose from it," said Shanmugam.

"I'm looking at you, Mr Leong," he added. "I invite you to put up a motion to debate CECA. You know that most of what is said about CECA is false."

Earlier during the session, Shanmugam also pointed to certain "parties" that have been deliberately stoking fears of foreigners as well as "encouraging racism and xenophobia" in Singapore, and warned that such actions were "dangerous".

In his Facebook post on Tuesday, Leong said that the PSP believes Singapore is in need of rebalancing the interests of Singaporeans in relation to foreign PMETs in the job market. He noted the process could involve "the recouping of tens of thousands of jobs" from work pass holders through various measures.

While this would affect the number of PMETs in the Singapore workforce, it is a "necessary step" towards creating a "win-win situation for both Singaporeans and foreign nationals", he added.

"The first step in achieving this is obtaining prompt and complete information so as to promote transparency and to eliminate prejudices. All of which is in the spirit against xenophobia and racism," said Leong.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/challenge-accepted-psp-debate-ceca-parliament-071554054.html

PSP is fucked! They admitted that they had been making unsubstantiated remarks about CECA just to score political points. If PSP is so certain CECA is bad for sinkies, why do they need to request for info about CECA only after the debate challenge was issued?

 

[glockman]

PSP is fucked! They admitted that they had been making unsubstantiated remarks about CECA just to score political points. If PSP is so certain CECA is bad for sinkies, why do they need to request for info about CECA only after the debate challenge was issued?

I don't see anything wrong with seeking more info, so that a more targeted framework for the debate can be formulated. It would be interesting if our good and brilliant Mr Tharman can chime in as well, and expound further on what he said in 2017.

"It would be mindless to have an open border without any policy framework to govern and constrain the flow of people into your job market. It will not just be wrong politics but wrong economics."

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/wrong-to-have-total-free-flow-of-people-tharman

 

[millim6868]

PApIGS MPs are a bunch of dumb ass,they tot they did the right move but they are wtong ,the investment i india are gone to the dogs, debate? when losing they will say wat the point in replying , they will tell u confidential n close the debaze ,this is wat they going to do.They will say ceca created jobs,cb,look at many companies ,it is losing jobs to majority local n to be frank they are paid more compare to locals,why? cos they ard told to employ them, i saw the dicument with my own eyes,only 61% sinkies ate dumb thinking they are not good enough.Come there are fakes getting the jobs,ingave up on sinkies

 

[kkbutterfly]

look at Leong face..sigh

 

[mojito]

The end result of this open dialogue will be inconsequential. It only serves as a start of a national discourse.

Regardless of the outcome, CECA will not be abolished. What's interesting will be the issues brought up during the debate. Sinkies will have to go forward with this discussion online or off.

That's why it's important that opposition MPs ask the right questions during this window

Hahaha... Silly man lah you. What is important is to seize the opportunity to impress this important growing demographic of 50k new citizens every year that we worker party is on their side. We are with you. #rejectracism #wpagainstbigotry

 

[zeddy]

My greatest respect to Mr Leong ... But he's yet to convince me he's a great debator ..

To go against an ah neh lawyer snake, we would need someone with a like Lim Tean

Fully agree. Black Mamba should do a debate with LT. Lawyer vs Lawyer. LT is a quite an eloquent speaker good enough to a verbal duel with a slimy opponent like Black Mamba. I worry for Leong. Decent chap but Mamba will swallow him alive.

 

[zeddy]

Black Mamba Shan will fly the flag for India. Whole of India will be rooting for him.

 

[mahjongking]

Fully agree. Black Mamba should do a debate with LT. Lawyer vs Lawyer. LT is a quite an eloquent speaker good enough to a verbal duel with a slimy opponent like Black Mamba. I worry for Leong. Decent chap but Mamba will swallow him alive.

should be either lim tean or chee soon juan
then we will see fireworks

 

[glockman]

should be either lim tean or chee soon juan
then we will see fireworks

But it isn't, that's why Shan dared to issue the challenge. I wish the brave and valiant Mr Leong all the very best. We are rooting for him.

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

Things are going to get ugly…. Opposition bringing a knife to a gun fight. Lol

 

[birdie69]

court of public opinion depending on whether there is a live broadcast
haaaa

To make this CECA Agreement a fair debate:
1. It should not be held during the parliament session. It should be held in a separate platform. Too many PAP MPs against one.
2. The number of people representing each party (PAP & PSP) must be equal.
3. If possible, live telecast to the public and on line, allow public to raise question for both parties to answer.

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

3. If possible, live telecast to the public and on line, allow public to raise question for both parties to answer.

So you are advocating public humiliation for the opposition

 

[birdie69]

So you are advocating public humiliation for the opposition

It doesn't matter if Minster Sham can really convince all Singaporeans that CECA Agreement is genuinely good for the Singapre PMET as a whole,
1. They are here not to displace our local PMET.
2. Their jobs are really not able to be performed by our local PMET here.
3. The number of PMET Indians is not too excessive as our employers are taking advantage of the cheaper cost.
4. They are here really creating better jobs for our local.
5. The population of the CECA indian here (even they have already converted to PR) and their dependents are not too excessive

 

[Leckmichamarsch]

GLC's have been getting big contracts in india so watch out.

AMARAVATI LAKSMI VILA BANK SINGTEL ETC........NOW INVESTMENTS KENA CV19 ALA DELHI + VIRUSES

 

[Leckmichamarsch]

The end result of this open dialogue will be inconsequential. It only serves as a start of a national discourse.

Regardless of the outcome, CECA will not be abolished. What's interesting will be the issues brought up during the debate. Sinkies will have to go forward with this discussion online or off.

That's why it's important that opposition MPs ask the right questions during this window

DIE DIE LHL WILL CONT N INCREASE YEENDIANS INTO SG

 

[mojito]

It doesn't matter if Minster Sham can really convince all Singaporeans that CECA Agreement is genuinely good for the Singapre PMET as a whole,
1. They are here not to displace our local PMET.
2. Their jobs are really not able to be performed by our local PMET here.
3. The number of PMET Indians is not too excessive as our employers are taking advantage of the cheaper cost.
4. They are here really creating better jobs for our local.
5. The population of the CECA indian here (even they have already converted to PR) and their dependents are not too excessive

All of which can be disproved.

 

[CPTMiller]

But it isn't, that's why Shan dared to issue the challenge. I wish the brave and valiant Mr Leong all the very best. We are rooting for him.

Ah Shan is untouchable. He fear nothing with the Law in his hand