Chitchat Politics and Malay Health

[scroobal]

Last week Straits Time published an article on the poor heath of Malays both gender and it was rather alarming. Heart conditions, kidney failures and diabetes etc across the board seems to be the bleak picture.

This became a topic of much discussion yesterday. First why did it take this long for the authorities to release such an important trend. Was there any prior thought on early intervention in terms of publicity and education.

Secondly that the Malays as a community and a race have withdrawn from the general population particularly over the last 2 decades is a factor to consider. Much of it is driven by the religions where fundamentalist have set the agenda. Gone are the days where general conversation on health, culture etc could be held between races. The Malays have generally withdrawn to themselves and it is not a good sign.

In 2000, the Association of Muslim Professionals (AMP) called for a collective Malay leadership as they had lost faith with PAP Malay MPs ostensibly to look after Malay interest. The PAP relented without acknowledging it and they now work with the AMP to select Malay MPs and also support them financially. Looks like both AMP and the PAP failed to look after Malay interest.

Health is always a personal undertaking but awareness, education and programmes must address all these to cover the gaps. Why did the Malays put themselves in this position? And why did those who claim to look after their interest failed?

 

[Leongsam]

Health does not really matter to the Malays because they believe that it is all Allah's will.

It's the same reason why they have so many kids... they leave it to Allah to decide how many they have rather than take control of their own destinies. Their mission is to hump with abandon.

 

[JohnTan]

The article on Malay health was dated 21 Dec 2014. It was resurrected recently just to whack Muslims and Malays, which is getting common in online forums.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/malay-population-the-most-unhealthy-group-in-singapore

Muslims prefer sharia law and their caliphate, which naturally points them toward society structured around a sultan or imam at the apex of their hierarchy. We don't have sultans in our democracy, so we give them the next best thing; Minister of Muslim Affairs. The Muslims can treat this minister as their 'sultan' or 'chief imam'.

 

[scroobal]

Interestingly their high birth rate whether intended or not has political overtones. Unfortunately if that was the intention, it backfired badly as it allowed the PAP to increase the intake of foreigners and keep to the historical racial ratios. Again its awareness and education. Both the Chinese and Indians in their respective countries of origins are notorious for having large families but the Malays were not but the tables have turned. A function of the lack of education with politics thrown into the pot ?

Health does not really matter to the Malays because they believe that it is all Allah's will.

It's the same reason why they have so many kids... they leave it to Allah to decide how many they have rather than take control of their own destinies. Their mission is to hump with abandon.

 

[scroobal]

Thanks for the clarification. I had wrongly assumed it was last week ate seeing it it in this forum. I wonder if this was ever followed up?

The article on Malay health was dated 21 Dec 2014. It was resurrected recently just to whack Muslims and Malays, which is getting common in online forums.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/malay-population-the-most-unhealthy-group-in-singapore

Muslims prefer sharia law and their caliphate, which naturally points them toward society structured around a sultan or imam at the apex of their hierarchy. We don't have sultans in our democracy, so we give them the next best thing; Minister of Muslim Affairs. The Muslims can treat this minister as their 'sultan' or 'chief imam'.

 

[virus]

will this be the ultimate sexcuse by FAP why Yakult cannot b the next president?

 

[gatehousethetinkertailor]

Interestingly their high birth rate whether intended or not has political overtones. Unfortunately if that was the intention, it backfired badly as it allowed the PAP to increase the intake of foreigners and keep to the historical racial ratios. Again its awareness and education. Both the Chinese and Indians in their respective countries of origins are notorious for having large families but the Malays were not but the tables have turned. A function of the lack of education with politics thrown into the pot ?

You must not neglect that they also do tend to get married much earlier. So a 20-something will be less hesitant to bear more. And the mindset can also be we will make do with what we have.

However, the generation that has "withdrawn" is really those in their mid-40s upwards rather than the tweens/20-somethings. I suggest you swing by Arab Street on a weekend to have a look at the crowd and check some of the eateries there which are owned and run by these young uns. Sure, you see more girls with tudungs but there are as many minahs bumping and grinding away in bars around Club Street. And the fact that they hot 40-something and become more spiritual is not a new phenomenon as I am told by those in the community. It is a typical cycle that has always been there (in the context of Singapore). I am not suggesting the spread of insular religious ideology has not had an impact but perhaps it may appear more introverted because of the greater appearance of the tudung. But have you noticed what lies below the tudung? Its still the same tight figure hugging ensemble.

 

[JohnTan]

Interestingly their high birth rate whether intended or not has political overtones. Unfortunately if that was the intention, it backfired badly as it allowed the PAP to increase the intake of foreigners and keep to the historical racial ratios. Again its awareness and education. Both the Chinese and Indians in their respective countries of origins are notorious for having large families but the Malays were not but the tables have turned. A function of the lack of education with politics thrown into the pot ?

Actually, high Muslim birth rates have been oversold. While Muslim birth rates are still higher than non-Muslims, their birthrates have plunged below reproduction level even in Singapore (1.73).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore#Population_growth_and_population_planning

As a religious group, Muslims seem to be the main group who grasp the concept of demographic warfare, while Buddhists and Taoists seem quite disinterested until their religion is perhaps staring at death in the face.

http://mustsharenews.com/muslim-population-christianity/

 

[ckmpd]

Last week Straits Time published an article on the poor heath of Malays both gender and it was rather alarming. Heart conditions, kidney failures and diabetes etc across the board seems to be the bleak picture.

This became a topic of much discussion yesterday. First why did it take this long for the authorities to release such an important trend. Was there any prior thought on early intervention in terms of publicity and education.

Secondly that the Malays as a community and a race have withdrawn from the general population particularly over the last 2 decades is a factor to consider. Much of it is driven by the religions where fundamentalist have set the agenda. Gone are the days where general conversation on health, culture etc could be held between races. The Malays have generally withdrawn to themselves and it is not a good sign.

In 2000, the Association of Muslim Professionals (AMP) called for a collective Malay leadership as they had lost faith with PAP Malay MPs ostensibly to look after Malay interest. The PAP relented without acknowledging it and they now work with the AMP to select Malay MPs and also support them financially. Looks like both AMP and the PAP failed to look after Malay interest.

Health is always a personal undertaking but awareness, education and programmes must address all these to cover the gaps. Why did the Malays put themselves in this position? And why did those who claim to look after their interest failed?

Poor health can be the result of the economically disadantaged who dont have enough nutrition

 

[scroobal]

Can't argue with the points you raised. I understand however that in even in the Universities, they have also withdrawn albeit the numbers are small. Taking part in sports in the Uni wearing track pants is now commonplace

ps. In fact I should be thankful for growing up at a time when the Minahs were in all their glory.

You must not neglect that they also do tend to get married much earlier. So a 20-something will be less hesitant to bear more. And the mindset can also be we will make do with what we have.

However, the generation that has "withdrawn" is really those in their mid-40s upwards rather than the tweens/20-somethings. I suggest you swing by Arab Street on a weekend to have a look at the crowd and check some of the eateries there which are owned and run by these young uns. Sure, you see more girls with tudungs but there are as many minahs bumping and grinding away in bars around Club Street. And the fact that they hot 40-something and become more spiritual is not a new phenomenon as I am told by those in the community. It is a typical cycle that has always been there (in the context of Singapore). I am not suggesting the spread of insular religious ideology has not had an impact but perhaps it may appear more introverted because of the greater appearance of the tudung. But have you noticed what lies below the tudung? Its still the same tight figure hugging ensemble.

 

[JohnTan]

You must not neglect that they also do tend to get married much earlier. So a 20-something will be less hesitant to bear more. And the mindset can also be we will make do with what we have.

However, the generation that has "withdrawn" is really those in their mid-40s upwards rather than the tweens/20-somethings. I suggest you swing by Arab Street on a weekend to have a look at the crowd and check some of the eateries there which are owned and run by these young uns. Sure, you see more girls with tudungs but there are as many minahs bumping and grinding away in bars around Club Street. And the fact that they hot 40-something and become more spiritual is not a new phenomenon as I am told by those in the community. It is a typical cycle that has always been there (in the context of Singapore). I am not suggesting the spread of insular religious ideology has not had an impact but perhaps it may appear more introverted because of the greater appearance of the tudung. But have you noticed what lies below the tudung? Its still the same tight figure hugging ensemble.

This cycle is not unique to younger Muslims here. It's the same in Malaysia, Middle East, Pakistan, London, France, etc.

When Muslims are young, many of them fornicate, don't pray, experiment with substances, smoke. When they reach their mid 30s or 40s onwards, they becomes very much more religious in appearance. If you find them insular, you have to thank the Saudis for it. They have been spending billions on spreading wahabi and salafi Islam. They even made a donation to Najib so that he can intensify islamization of Malaysia along wahabi doctrines. Sinkie muslims look to Malaysia for religious leadership. If Malaysia muslims become much more religious, sinkie muslims will follow suit.

 

[Satyr]

Can't argue with the points you raised. I understand however that in even in the Universities, they have also withdrawn albeit the numbers are small. Taking part in sports in the Uni wearing track pants is now commonplace

ps. In fact I should be thankful for growing up at a time when the Minahs were in all their glory.

Yup. The Minahs here used to be what Latinas are in the US. Think Jessica Alba . Slurp. Sorry dudes, I am amazed what passes for hot femininity in the Channel 8 pantheon. Fiona Xie in her glory days was a standout . Apart from that , yawn.

 

[scroobal]

Yes, it an important point. If they don't have the necessary nutrients, they eventually become high risk as they grow older. Its something that we must take stock of.

Poor health can be the result of the economically disadantaged who dont have enough nutrition

 

[blueRad]

Can't argue with the points you raised. I understand however that in even in the Universities, they have also withdrawn albeit the numbers are small. Taking part in sports in the Uni wearing track pants is now commonplace

ps. In fact I should be thankful for growing up at a time when the Minahs were in all their glory.

I wasn't part of the LKY's generation. Is it true that during pre-independence Singapore, most Malay women were not wearing the hijab?

 

[scroobal]

Until the end of 80s, except for those who went for the Haj and very elderly ladies wore hijab or tudung. Even into mid and late 90s, very rarely you see someone below the age of 40 wearing any of this garb. Clothes were western oriented and no different to the other races. The Indians, females especially were more conservatives even the you ones. Traditional clothes were worn on festive occasions but even then it was the hijab or tudung.

I wasn't part of the LKY's generation. Is it true that during pre-independence Singapore, most Malay women were not wearing the hijab?

 

[retrenched]

malays have always been less finicky about food compared to others - they would go for the less fresh/healthy as that could cost a lot less. after 24 hours, it comes out of the same colour and smell anyway.

anyway malays like to bodybuild - we can stipulate that only healthy bodybuilders be elected to high office

 

[syed putra]

Health does not really matter to the Malays because they believe that it is all Allah's will.

It's the same reason why they have so many kids... they leave it to Allah to decide how many they have rather than take control of their own destinies. Their mission is to hump with abandon.

I believe, just one generation ago, chinese too had huge families. I know many with 5 or more.that trend stopped with lky stop at 2 campaign and mao's stop at one.

 

[scroobal]

If not for religion many of us would have settled down with a Siti, Lina, Faridah, etc. They did justice to Levi's every sense of the word.

Yup. The Minahs here used to be what Latinas are in the US. Think Jessica Alba . Slurp. Sorry dudes, I am amazed what passes for hot femininity in the Channel 8 pantheon. Fiona Xie in her glory days was a standout . Apart from that , yawn.

 

[cocobobo]

I believe, just one generation ago, chinese too had huge families. I know many with 5 or more.that trend stopped with lky stop at 2 campaign and mao's stop at one.

Malays having many kids is a myth today. I have a dispatch company and looking at the employee data, i can see most Malay employees have 2 kids each and stop already, whether religious or tattoed.

 

[zhihau]

Malays having many kids is a myth today. I have a dispatch company and looking at the employee data, i can see most Malay employees have 2 kids each and stop already, whether religious or tattoed.

Noted that there's a trend where fewer number of offspring equates to better quality of life as resources ain't spread thin...