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Re: Dead Teachers Worked 13 Hours A Day! Medals And State Flag For Them?

Yes maybe two park benches in TKPS.
 

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Dead teachers worked 13 hours a day!! Do you work 13 hours a day? They wouldn't stop working even with broken skulls and bones. I hope their coffins get draped with the state flag and they be posthumously be awarded medals of honour.

Yet, the PAP is hiring Ah Nehs to replace local teachers. Why?
 

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Re: Body said to be of S'porean student retrieved from Mt Kinabalu

Those days... kampong days...we got so much space. Roamed and run everywhere. Seldom heard of parents telling sinkie children " dont do this, is dangerous. dont touch tat, is dirty. I remember cllimbing a coconut tree. Fell down and fractured my arm. But no sweat...healed after a week. Still continue climbing trees after tat incident. We were tough cos we accidentally trained ourself to be one. :smile:

That's why nowadays kids can only be a warrior in cyberspace instead of real life :wink: look at some of the sinkies here , they are pussy parents worry their baby boy or girl will hurt themselves :wink: .kids needs to fall down a few times to learn if you protect them from falling down by preventing them to try , then forever your kids will not grow up :wink:
 

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Yet, the PAP is hiring Ah Nehs to replace local teachers. Why?

All because of self interest motivation of getting new citizens to vote for them.. They care only about themselves and not the country.
 

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Re: Dead Teachers Worked 13 Hours A Day! Medals And State Flag For Them?

Wow, 13 hours a day. Even the most minion NS slaves don't get taken like that.

In other countries being a teacher is a relatively relaxing job. Only in Sinkieland do they torture teachers like that. :rolleyes:
 

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Those days... kampong days...we got so much space. Roamed and run everywhere. Seldom heard of parents telling sinkie children " dont do this, is dangerous. dont touch tat, is dirty. I remember cllimbing a coconut tree. Fell down and fractured my arm. But no sweat...healed after a week. Still continue climbing trees after tat incident. We were tough cos we accidentally trained ourself to be one. :smile:

That is true, but letting 12 year old kids climb a tall mountain is just insane. You might as well tell them to play in heavy traffic.

The people who gave the green light to this should be shot. I want to see heads roll, the heads of the real decision makers high in the hierarchy, not some minion scapegoats.
 

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Re: Body said to be of S'porean student retrieved from Mt Kinabalu

That is true, but letting 12 year old kids climb a tall mountain is just insane. You might as well tell them to play in heavy traffic.

The people who gave the green light to this should be shot. I want to see heads roll, the heads of the real decision makers high in the hierarchy, not some minion scapegoats.

You don't have to climb that mountain , you walk up that mountain :wink:
 

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After Quake Tragedy, Sabah Mulls Barring Mount Kinabalu To Climbers Below 15

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After quake tragedy, Sabah mulls barring Mount Kinabalu to climbers below 15

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Sabah's search and rescue team carries an injured climber off Mount Kinabalu in Sabah,
June 5, 2015. Photo: The Malay Mail Online


PUBLISHED: 8:25 AM, JUNE 9, 2015

PETALING JAYA — Sabah is considering the possibility of only allowing children aged above 15 years to climb Mount Kinabalu in the wake of the death of six children in the June 5 earthquake that claimed 16 lives.

State education director Jame Alip said he had spoken about the matter to state Tourism, Culture and Environment Minister Masidi Manjun, who is also the state executive councillor in charge of education.

“We will bring it up in our next meeting. For me, 15 years seems like a more reasonable age,” he said, adding that he was extremely saddened by the deaths.

Mr Jame said he was surprised when he heard about the death of the students as he had not known about the school trip up the mountain.

“We were not told about it. The slopes are steep and dangerous. I would not encourage children below 15 to climb the mountain,” he added.


Recalling his own experience, he said he was 20 when he trekked up Mount Kinabalu and even then it was tough for him.

“I cannot imagine how it would be like for young students.”

The six children who died were Primary 6 pupils from Tanjong Katong Primary School which had been sending teams up the mountain for years.

The official Mount Kinabalu website states that climbers should be at least 10 years old.

Mr Jame also urged the Education Ministry to introduce earthquake drills for students nationwide.

“Students are generally taught that in an emergency situation, they should drop everything and run down the fire escape. But that only applies during fires.

“When an earthquake strikes, you do the opposite — you drop to the ground, take cover and hold on. The children must know this,” he said.

A blogger has also weighed in on the question of child climbers by asking if children should be allowed to trek up the mountain.

He said the climb would be extremely difficult for children given that even adults found it daunting.

The blogger, who goes by the name Unspun and is in his mid-50s, said park authorities should post warnings to notify climbers of difficulty and dangers they could face.

“Right now, the official Mount Kinabalu website cheerily gives the impression that anyone between 10 and 80 who is reasonably fit, can make the climb. That is inaccurate and dangerous information.”

He said a disturbing question was whether Tanjong Katong Primary School authorities did adequate research on the climb before deciding to take the schoolchildren up the mountain.

“Or did they like many others, accept information off the official website?”
MALAY MAIL ONLINE


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Sabah people are so stupid not only they believe in mountain god they also think that the mountain is suitable for kid above 15 years old just because of one incident , what about that adult who die ? Why not banned the mountain from everyone :wink: .
 

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No. They have conducted the program for 8 years, no problem at all. Despite our size, we singaporeans always manage to punch above our own weight.
 

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Sabah people are so stupid not only they believe in mountain god they also think that the mountain is suitable for kid above 15 years old just because of one incident , what about that adult who die ? Why not banned the mountain from everyone :wink: .

We are talking about climbing the highest mountain in South East Asia not a walk up Bukit Timah Hill.

It is not a blanket ban for all climbers only setting a age limit.

Even amusement park rides have age/height limits because of safety. You can use examples of young children climbing dangerously across perilous mountains to go to school to show that Singaporean parents are too protective. Those children are born and bred in that environment and it is a walk in the park for them. Place them in an urban environment, those kids might have problem crossing the road.

Ever heard the story of The Town Mouse and the Country Mouse
 

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What happen if adults die and leave those children in the mountain?
Is it too young for them to climb this high attitute, unless they are able or capable to save the buddy when problem occurred.

If the risk is so high, pls dun send yr child to become a hero!

For boy, they have chance to climb pengang hill etc.., mt biang and it is FOC , next time!! :p climb until say tolong..
 
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they shouldnt ban people under 15 from climbing mountains,just not the typical average moron individual on the street,especially those from sinkieland.but there are some exceptionally talented human beings and they should be allowed the challenge the limits of human ability from an early age.
 

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Re: After Quake Tragedy, Sabah Mulls Barring Mount Kinabalu To Climbers Below 15

We are talking about climbing the highest mountain in South East Asia not a walk up Bukit Timah Hill.

It is not a blanket ban for all climbers only setting a age limit.

Even amusement park rides have age/height limits because of safety. You can use examples of young children climbing dangerously across perilous mountains to go to school to show that Singaporean parents are too protective. Those children are born and bred in that environment and it is a walk in the park for them. Place them in an urban environment, those kids might have problem crossing the road.

Ever heard the story of The Town Mouse and the Country Mouse


mount Kinabalu is known to be one of the most accessible mountains in the world. No specialized mountain climbing skills are required to ascend it . Yes , Locals are reported to begin climbing the mountain from the age of 3 and the oldest person to reach the peak was 80 years old . And same like amusement park , the mountain is divided into 2 sections for expert and amateur :wink: if anyone can walk up a staircase then they can walk up that mountain . so there shouldn't be any age limit to walk up that mountain :wink:
 
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People who are virgins cannot climb Mount Kinabalu. Problem solved.
 

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Responsibility And Accountability (Mt. Kinabalu)

Source: Jess C Scott Blog

RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY (MT. KINABALU)

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[Above Image from Yahoo]

Several students and a teacher from Tanjong Katong Primary School were killed in the recent Sabah quake.

I was quite shocked to read an overly defensive comment which compared climbing Mt. Kinabalu to “walking up Bukit Timah Hill.”

For starters, a “hill” is defined as “a naturally raised area of land, not as high or craggy as a mountain.” Mt. Kinabalu is 4,095 m while Bukit Timah Hill is 164m. A comparison of maps between the mountain and hill also show the difference in terms of scale and associated terrain.

A seismology expert, Dr Mohd Rosaidi Che Abas, 54, said the threat of an earthquake in Malaysia cannot be ignored, including “Sabah and Sarawak [which] are located close to the earthquake zone of South Philippines and North Sulawesi.”

Earthquakes have erupted at Mount Kinabalu every year for at least the past 10 years, and the route has been described as a very rough trek.


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[Image from Redwire Times]

Some comments from people who have been on the mountain before:

1) “I climbed the mountain before. I must say I was shocked for a school to embark on such an expedition trip for primary students.” — Randy Chong

2) “I was there on 5-6 may this year. I personally think this is a bit challenging for young children of such ages. Deepest condolences to victims’ families. — David Chia

3) “My 39 yr old daughter went there two weeks before the quake. She said she would not approve if any of her kids would want to take the expedition. What information was given to parents that made them approved their kids for this expedition?” — Mr. A

I have read quite a few comments which say that the authorities cannot be blamed for a natural disaster.

It is true that people cannot be blamed for the actual occurrence of the earthquake. The question is why young children are being approved to be sent to this mountain for “school excursions” when this area is a known danger zone.

Take for example, texting and driving. Just because a person drives and texts once and doesn’t get into trouble, doesn’t mean they’ll always have luck on their side. A tragic end sometimes comes sooner rather than later, and it is especially tragic when the situation is avoidable. Why would any parent want to put their child in a risky situation in the first place?

Some quotes by parents which reflect this view:

1) “People are saying no one could have predicted the quake and that it could well have struck Disneyland Tokyo. So we shouldn’t criticize the school or ask for a ban on such overseas excursions. I beg to differ as a parent. . .No incident doesn’t mean there will never be one. Try telling those grieving parents, ‘Accidents bound to happen, lah!’ And why in the world are primary school kids climbing mountains overseas?”
Andrew Tan

2) “PM Lee, I urge your good self and MOE to review allowing our primary school children to embark on such perilous trips. In our days, excursions were none other than Pulau Ubin or St John Island. Even though this is a natural disaster, the burden of failing their parents are simply too great on the teachers and schools.” — Lance Foo

3) “Please instruct MOE to seriously review school excursions for primary school kids. They are too young to go for such high risk adventures. It is tough for parents to say no to enthusiastic young children who don’t understand the risk involved. There are many other ways for leadership development. There’s an appropriate age and time for different types of school trips.” — Kareen Leow

4) “I sincerely urge MOE to commission a thorough review on the countries and necessity of such trips for “whatever valid reasons.” I am 100% sure if PM commission MOE for a COI, there will be 101 ways to improve on it.” — Freddy Choo

The MOE’s website states that there are several measures in place to enhance road safety around Singapore schools, as well as safety in the conduct of school sports, safety during hazy days, tree safety, and fire safety. This page on guidelines and procedures on school excursions (adapted from MOE Guidelines) states that “the authority to approve such excursions [and/or field trips] is delegated to principals.”

This was not an excursion organised by parents as an out-of-school overseas trip. If it were, then the responsibility for the safety of the children would fall on the parents and not other authorities who approved the excursion.

The website of The Department of Education and Training (Victoria, Australia) clearly states a policy to “ensure [school] excursions are planned and approved appropriately.” It goes on to say that the excursion planning and approval process should take into account “the suitability of the environment and/or venue for the excursion,” and the “assessment of excursion risks” in terms of safety, emergency and risk management.

A quick glance at the Dutch ministries states that The Ministry of Security and Justice is responsible for justice and public safety in the Netherlands.

Minister for Education Mr Heng Swee Keat’s and PM Lee Hsien Loong’s public statements on the matter — despite their emotional appeal — leave much to be desired.

A government’s job is to govern (i.e. to make and administer the public policy and affairs of a state). Singapore’s ministers are among the best paid in the world.

Surely they can thus be expected to be responsible and be held accountable when it comes to governance.


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Re: After Quake Tragedy, Sabah Mulls Barring Mount Kinabalu To Climbers Below 15

mount Kinabalu is known to be one of the most accessible mountains in the world. No specialized mountain climbing skills are required to ascend it . Yes , Locals are reported to begin climbing the mountain from the age of 3 and the oldest person to reach the peak was 80 years old . And same like amusement park , the mountain is divided into 2 sections for expert and amateur :wink: if anyone can walk up a staircase then they can walk up that mountain . so there shouldn't be any age limit to walk up that mountain :wink:

Yeah, but falling off Mount Kinabalu should be deadlier than falling off a flight of steps.

Besides, a boulder may fall on you. I doubt a fat HDB heartlander auntie would come rolling down the stairs to flatten you.
 

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when have the FAP been responsible before?

from them is same shit, more shit years ahead.
 
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