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CPF - Still Confused 7 Years Later

scroobal

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GOVT investment de-linked from CPF funds

Date: 29 September 2007
Source:

IN 'CPF finances: Clarity needed to clear the cloud of confusion' (ST, Sept 20), Ms Chua Mui Hoong questioned whether the CPF provides a cheap source of funds for the Government's investments. Subsequent Forum letters also raised the matter of how the return on CPF funds is calculated, and what constitutes a fair return.

The interest members receive for their CPF money should reflect what they could earn by investing in the financial markets, in investments which have comparable risk and duration. All CPF balances are guaranteed by the Government and hence free of risk. Hence the Special, Medisave and Retirement Account (SMRA) interest rates will now be pegged to long-term government-bond yields. Furthermore, the first $60,000 of each person's CPF balances, to be held for the long term, will attract an extra 1 percentage point in interest. This means that they will always earn at least 3.5 per cent interest.

No commercial bank or fund manager offers more generous terms on such investments. Members seeking higher returns can take out their funds to invest through the CPF Investment Scheme (CPFIS). However, 83 per cent of CPF members who invested their OA savings in the CPFIS from 2002 to 2006 realised less than 2.5 per cent returns - the base rate of the OA. Half of all members who invested experienced negative returns, losing some part of their capital sum.

The CPF Board invests members' savings in special securities issued by the Government, which pay the CPF Board the same interest rates that its members receive. The Government pools the proceeds from issuing these securities with the rest of its funds, and invests them professionally for long-term returns. This is completely de-linked from the CPF Board and CPF members. Were this not so, CPF members would be exposed to the investment risks and could not receive guaranteed minimum interest rates.

Up to now, both GIC and Temasek Holdings have earned returns that exceeded CPF interest rates, on average over the years. But this does not mean that the Government is making use of the CPF as a 'cheap source of funds', or earning a 'spread at people's expense'.

First, the Government does not need more funds to invest. Even if it did, it could raise funds more cheaply by issuing treasury bills and government securities, instead of using CPF funds.

Second, Temasek and GIC achieve higher returns on average only by taking on more investment risks. Hence these returns are volatile - they can be low or even negative in some years. Furthermore, we cannot assume that GIC and Temasek will do as well in future. The past two decades have been an exceptional period for global financial markets. Looking ahead, we cannot rule out protracted market downturns, lasting several years. Most CPF members have small balances and will not welcome these risks. Neither will older members waiting to withdraw their retirement funds.

Third, Singaporeans benefit when GIC and Temasek investments do well. Every year, the Government draws part of these investment returns to fund the annual Budget. The revenue is spent on worthwhile investments and social needs, including subsidies for housing, education and health care. And from time to time, the Government distributes accumulated budget surpluses to citizens through CPF top-ups and other schemes.

The Government does not rule out the possibility of introducing private pension plans for those with balances above $60,000 and a higher capacity to take risk. However, it would be unwise for members with low balances to take excessive risks on their basic retirement savings.

The current arrangement thus enables all CPF members to earn fair and risk-free returns on their retirement savings, while benefiting from the good performance of GIC and Temasek through the annual Budget. This is the right way to help Singaporeans save for their old age,and enjoy peace of mind in their golden years.

JACQUELINE POH
DIRECTOR (SPECIAL DUTIES)
MINISTRY OF FINANCE
 

Leongsam

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Only dumb Singaporeans are confused. How CPF works has been crystal clear to the 60.1% all along.
 

revealer

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A bit tak patut.. in 2007, CPF invested about $111 bln in Government Security and in 2012, this figure rose to $230 bln and it earned $8.5bln returns in 2012 from it..

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Cerebral

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Jacqueline Poh is talking cock. There is no way they can raise 100+ to 200bn without impacting interest rates and their ratings. When asked about CPF, they refer to short term T Bonds. CPF is a minimum 35 years loan and not a short term 3 to 5 years one
 

Cestbon

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Only dumb Singaporeans are confused. How CPF works has been crystal clear to the 60.1% all along.

Agree!
For me the only point i dont like about CPF is low interest rate.
Fair deal is 4%~6%.

Other I have no issue. Many complaint these and that look like the need money from CPF to survive. Without CPF monet they will die. These group normally are useless never save money. They should thank gov CPF save for them. Without CPF do u thing they will save money on their own and how many % will really save ???
 

zeebjii

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Agree!
Many complaint these and that look like the need money from CPF to survive. Without CPF monet they will die. These group normally are useless never save money. They should thank gov CPF save for them. Without CPF do u thing they will save money on their own and how many % will really save ???

Speak for yourself..you another one dumbfuck brainwashed by pap. who are the people who said they will die without cpf money? come on, give me names. people just don't like to be cheated, even if the amount is 10 cents.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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GOVT investment de-linked from CPF funds

Date: 29 September 2007
Source:

IN 'CPF finances: Clarity needed to clear the cloud of confusion' (ST, Sept 20), Ms Chua Mui Hoong questioned whether the CPF provides a cheap source of funds for the Government's investments. Subsequent Forum letters also raised the matter of how the return on CPF funds is calculated, and what constitutes a fair return.



CPF money can only be withdrawn at the age of 55, and even then the onerous minimum sum requirement prevents people from withdrawing a large portion of their CPF. The CPF money therefore is of a higher macaulay duration than even a 30-year sovereign bond, and as such, CPF members are in fact getting a pittance on their CPF savings compared to fixed income instruments of similar macaulay duration.
 
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