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Shane Todd's murder cover-up

winnipegjets

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Re: Shane Todd's parents call it corrupt no suing

They will end up losers on all fronts when case is over. Note how quickly Shanmugam called for press conference.

I always bet on the underdogs and I see a congressional committee asking lots of questions on sinkapore's role in transfer of US technology to PRC. Whether the questioning will lead to some actions depends on how Pinky and Shamu play their cards.

PAP has spent hundred of thousand to cover - fly the two American pathologists on first class, hosting them in suites plus general payment of fees to testify here. And then all the fees to the other 'witness'. So far, money has won. The war is not over.
 

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Strange, some here don't feel that accessing the laptop at the scene of the hanging seems not right?

I mean, was it accessed by a foremsic expert? A Techie who knew not to damage or delete files accidentally?

I thought all avidence would have been.. or should have been brought back to the labs to process and check?

the correct procedure, in any death scene investigation, is to ascertain victim is dead by checking pulse and breath, not touch anything else yet including other parts of the body, start looking for clues, taking pics, measurements if necessary, and cordon off death scene for dusting and fingerprints. if there are no signs of violence or a struggle, still need to follow procedure like it may be a crime scene. suicide by hanging should not cross the mind until all the evidence point to it. to automatically assume that it is suicide just because a body hangs on a rope or cord has been a recurring mistake among investigators all over the world, not just spf. accessing any pc or laptop at the death scene is warranted as there may be incriminating evidence or clues left opened and viewable without having the computer fully shut off. what if shane was chatting with attention whore steven and decided to hang himself after learning steven was about to have hair implants? :eek:
 

wendychan

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Re: Shane Todd's parents call it corrupt no suing

They will end up losers on all fronts when case is over. Note how quickly Shanmugam called for press conference.

as a singapore minister, he has access to call press conference anytime and the so called journalists will bend over backwards.

same thing with waffles wu case, press conference press release from higher up all very fast, even on a sunday no less
 
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the correct procedure, in any death scene investigation, is to ascertain victim is dead by checking pulse and breath, not touch anything else yet including other parts of the body, start looking for clues, taking pics, measurements if necessary, and cordon off death scene for dusting and fingerprints. if there are no signs of violence or a struggle, still need to follow procedure like it may be a crime scene. suicide by hanging should not cross the mind until all the evidence point to it. to automatically assume that it is suicide just because a body hangs on a rope or cord has been a recurring mistake among investigators all over the world, not just spf. accessing any pc or laptop at the death scene is warranted as there may be incriminating evidence or clues left opened and viewable without having the computer fully shut off. what if shane was chatting with attention whore steven and decided to hang himself after learning steven was about to have hair implants? :eek:

hahahaha


that is what a proper professional unit of investigators will do....like bro GD said in another thread...most of these fucking clowns in the CID are not that kilart or intrepid anymore....gone are the days where the investigators actually have some clever skills, powerful observation and presence of mind...... most of the fucking clowns these days just wanna quick quick finish the case so that they can close their IP and call it a day to chalk up more figures for their scholar commanders to "pass up report"...


what gets buried in the end is the truth ......



this reminds me of this old korean movie which showed what happens when a fucked up nonsensical police investigations unit is put to the test by a crook who constantly outsmarts and then terrorises them...i think it is a question of time that such a super dangerous and smart crook will rear his head and create terror in the clown home team...... then we will see how thse blue arsed flies run around in circles.....
 

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Re: Shane Todd's parents call it corrupt no suing

They will end up losers on all fronts when case is over. Note how quickly Shanmugam called for press conference.

The US Embassy and FBI have kept a close watch on this case from the start. Eventually they will release a detailed report which the family will find unpalatable. l
 

Tuayapeh

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Re: Shane Todd's parents call it corrupt no suing

aiyah ....casualties of war lor......



sinkieland will be like casablanca of the past where the enemies of warring states come and play all kinds of games with each other since its "neutral" territory


good luck to the fucking goons in the police force then.....
 

ray_of_hope

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Extract from http://sg.news.yahoo.com/scientists-family-seeks-us-congress-thai-experts-help-062452342.html

Porntip told AFP in Bangkok that a Todd family lawyer had approached her and showed her some photos, but it was not an "official consultation".
Asked whether she had said it was a strangling, she said: "I did not make such a comment, I said there are suspicious points that need to be explained and answered."

Well, yes, if a body is found hanging from a bathroom door even those who are not certified forensic pathologists would conclude that that was somewhat "suspicious".
 

winnipegjets

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Re: Shane Todd's parents call it corrupt no suing

The US Embassy and FBI have kept a close watch on this case from the start. Eventually they will release a detailed report which the family will find unpalatable. l

Obama administration don't need any more fires to put out, when they are already up to their neck with the IRS scandal, the death of the embassy staff in Libya. In fact, they will let Congress have complete freedom to pursue Todd's cause. Sinkapore is just an insignificant piece in the grand scheme of things.
 
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lockeliberal

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Dear Winnnie

Its now obvious that he does not have the skill set why would the family now seek the another qualified forensic pathologists from Thailand. As to point two, "this" is not a trial, its an inquiry and the witness in question was listed. The family obviously would have preferred more time to examine his statement but WHAT was the crux or meat of his statement ?

In totality all it says was that he knew todd, they were friends and that he met him 24 hrs or so before he died for a drink. Nothing earth shattering, nothing major, just another piece.



Locke




That's all the Todds can afford. But he is still authorized by the state of Missouri to conduct autopsy.




In the US, the prosecuting attorney can't spring surprises on the defence. If the prosecutor want to introduce new evidence or witness, the defence has to be afforded time to prepare for reviewing of evidence or cross-examination of new witness. The kangaroo court here does not respect the right of the defence. You expect the Todds to take all the kangaroo court dishes out without question?


You are always entitled to your opinion.
 

lockeliberal

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Dear Eat,

Firstly which components to GAN technology go into which have military applications ? Secondly how critical a component is GAN in view of an integrated systems approach to the whole system. IE Gan is vital for say a phased array, but software ? Processor for the software, ? I would also like to understand the following, as far as I have read, GAN serves as the basis for RF technology but for a successful GAN transmitter/ Reciever module you need all sorts of integrated design on the chip, I do not believe TODD was even near working on a complete component rather only the basic elements on which the component was made on which further more advanced design would have to be piled on top off.


Locke



it's very possible that somewhere in the heart of the dispute between the todds and spf, related to the hdd, something got lost in translation. while there's no dispute that the spf accessed and took away shane's laptop on the discovery of his death, there was dispute on the hdd, that it was left on the table as it looked like a speaker accessory and not a hdd. the spf accessed the laptop while the hdd was connected, registering logs/time-stamps on the hdd. there was no clandestine or other suspicious access after discovery of death, as collaborated by the fbi. the access by spf was warranted and justified. however, inadvertently, the spf took the laptop leaving the "speaker" accessory behind. it was this accessory that the todds with help from an electronic forensic specialist based in the u.s. were able to uncover the ime-huawei connection, with regard to gallium nitride research. the spf would have uncovered the connection too, but would they volunteer that info to the todds if the todds did not get hold of the hdd? very likely not. spf typically don't volunteer info in the middle of a dispute. but they claimed they gave the todd's everything including the hdd and full cooperation and disclosure. which to me is pure bs. just this small "insignificant" series of inconsistencies are good enough to cause a pause for thought. :rolleyes:

anyway, to rebutt some bozos here who think gallium nitride research is nothing to sneeze about, yes, it's not earth-shattering, ground-breaking material that will give rise to a new military superpower and save the world. the material is not new; it has been in use for years in light emitting diode lamps that can be hardened and used in hostile conditions. the use of it in radar and radio transceivers has vast commercial implications, not forgetting military ones too. old tech is based on gallium arsenide and silicon, but gallium nitride has properties that are quite compelling for compact, outdoor, robust applications. it's the next holy grail for companies looking into next gen rf products. while it's well known among research circles that gan is perhaps the most promising material for high powered rf products so far, the production of high quality, large or optimal amounts in terms of lower cost and consistent reliability/availability remains a challenge. only the u.s. has specialized firms that can produce good quality thin films of gan of the right thickness in sufficient quantity for many applications and products. the production method and equipment and techniques used are patented in the u.s. some aspects of the methodology and production equipment are not for technology transfer or export to other countries, and thus subject to export controls. there are bozos here who simply do not distinguish the subtle difference between material and methodology. :rolleyes:

if you wish to discuss gan tech, i'm more than happy to take you on here.
 

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Re: Oh Boy They said there are lots of clowns in Spore inquest

Dear Eat,

Firstly which components to GAN technology go into which have military applications ? Secondly how critical a component is GAN in view of an integrated systems approach to the whole system. IE Gan is vital for say a phased array, but software ? Processor for the software, ? I would also like to understand the following, as far as I have read, GAN serves as the basis for RF technology but for a successful GAN transmitter/ Reciever module you need all sorts of integrated design on the chip, I do not believe TODD was even near working on a complete component rather only the basic elements on which the component was made on which further more advanced design would have to be piled on top off.


Locke
I think eatshite just cut and copy from his 5 min google research. the fact is Singapore has very little hardcore research capability. A lot of what is happening here is really "re-search" as in "redo search". What is known in Singapore labs are already old tech, at most the work here is to find local applications for known technologies. If the Chinese wants to steal stuff, Singapore is not the first place they will consider. Much better to go Europe, Israel and USA itself. The USA will sell its more advance military tech to Israel first, and only after many years will Singapore get hold of it.

Even if we are to temporarily suspend disbelief and entertain the conspiracy theory put forth by Todd's parents. What does Todd have that is so worrying to the Chinese? At most Todd can only do verbal testimony that IME is indeed selling technologies to Huawei. Huawei and IME will deny, and there is very proof other than Todd's verbal testimony. Furthermore there are many ang mohs working in IME, surely if there is major illegal technology transfer going on, some of these people would have blew the whistle too. Why are there not a single person in IME coming out to support the conspiracy theory?

All we have is Todd's parents claiming that his son is worried about his life a few weeks' before his death. Not a single email, sms to collaborate. And not even a call to USA embassy from Todd or his parents to seek help.
 

steffychun

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Re: Shane Todd's parents call it corrupt no suing

The US Embassy and FBI have kept a close watch on this case from the start. Eventually they will release a detailed report which the family will find unpalatable. l

Are you FBI? Why are there no economic sanctions? Why not get the US to invade and liberate Singapore? If there are WMDs in Iraq, there are spies in Singapore. Why no invasion?
 

steffychun

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Re: Oh Boy They said there are lots of clowns in Spore inquest

I think eatshite just cut and copy from his 5 min google research. the fact is Singapore has very little hardcore research capability. A lot of what is happening here is really "re-search" as in "redo search". What is known in Singapore labs are already old tech, at most the work here is to find local applications for known technologies. If the Chinese wants to steal stuff, Singapore is not the first place they will consider. Much better to go Europe, Israel and USA itself. The USA will sell its more advance military tech to Israel first, and only after many years will Singapore get hold of it.

Even if we are to temporarily suspend disbelief and entertain the conspiracy theory put forth by Todd's parents. What does Todd have that is so worrying to the Chinese? At most Todd can only do verbal testimony that IME is indeed selling technologies to Huawei. Huawei and IME will deny, and there is very proof other than Todd's verbal testimony. Furthermore there are many ang mohs working in IME, surely if there is major illegal technology transfer going on, some of these people would have blew the whistle too. Why are there not a single person in IME coming out to support the conspiracy theory?

All we have is Todd's parents claiming that his son is worried about his life a few weeks' before his death. Not a single email, sms to collaborate. And not even a call to USA embassy from Todd or his parents to seek help.

If it is a spy case,, why is the US prancing their latest Littorial Combat Ship around and letting the public view it. If the Americans are scared of espionage, they should not dock their ships in Singapore at all. It is far easier to monitor US military technology and steal it that way. I don't get you guys harping about it being a spy case.
 

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Working on Vesak Day sucks. Jaga8 & Locke @ a team. Notice that eburn the nicks @ synchronized, unintentionally of course, for what is a Jaga without a Lock? Hahaha.

No eye see. Wit zis clowns saboing ops I mean saporking me, I and Mr. Chay, coroner for Todd’s case, will be forever condemned in the Court of Public Opinion. Prease help me!

Stuffy Chun, Ray of Hope also PAP IB! Too bad Laurel & Hardy's a two man show.

[video=youtube;vmFhd8_kGSI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmFhd8_kGSI[/video]
 

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Adelstein is a "county-level" deputy medical examiner in Missouri. He is not even at State level. People around the world are horrified that the parents reached so low. :eek:

http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/20...-revises-murder-claims-in-u-s-engineer-death/
Next round the Todd's parents will get a dentist to do another post mortem on their poor son's corpse. I am sure there is a dentist in USA who will be willing to provide a murder verdict based on dental examination.
 

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No files on a computer can be accidentally deleted you twit. The only way to completely remove a file from a hard drive is to shred it and this process has to be done with the very purpose of removing evidence.

http://www.digitalbuyer.com/intimus-crypto-i9000-hard-drive-destroyer.html

Did I put "permanently erased"? The words I used were, "accidentally deleted".. so why jump on me so hastily.. you freak?

Don't read inbetween the spacing of the words that I posted.. nothing there but empty spacing.. I mean what I posted.. nothing more, nothing less.
 

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Re: Oh Boy They said there are lots of clowns in Spore inquest

Working on Vesak Day sucks. Jaga8 & Locke @ a team. Notice that eburn the nicks @ synchronized, unintentionally of course, for what is a Jaga without a Lock? Hahaha.

No eye see. Wit zis clowns saboing ops I mean saporking me, I and Mr. Chay, coroner for Todd’s case, will be forever condemned in the Court of Public Opinion. Prease help me!

Stuffy Chun, Ray of Hope also PAP IB! Too bad Laurel & Hardy's a two man show.
At least PAP pays GD, Lock, me and many others PAP IB double for working on public holidays.

You, on the otherhand, is having a doubly sucking time waiting for jail term on Vesak Day.

Same-same, but different, yeah?

A word of advice. Don't waste time here. Better spend more time to pretend mental breakdown in court. I think it will be a better bet.
 

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Re: Oh Boy They said there are lots of clowns in Spore inquest

Working on Vesak Day sucks. Jaga8 & Locke @ a team. Notice that eburn the nicks @ synchronized, unintentionally of course, for what is a Jaga without a Lock? Hahaha.

No eye see. Wit zis clowns saboing ops I mean saporking me, I and Mr. Chay, coroner for Todd’s case, will be forever condemned in the Court of Public Opinion. Prease help me!

Stuffy Chun, Ray of Hope also PAP IB! Too bad Laurel & Hardy's a two man show.
At least PAP pays GD, Lock, me and many others PAP IB double for working on public holidays.

You, on the otherhand, is having a doubly sucking time waiting for jail term on Vesak Day.

Same-same, but different, yeah?

A word of advice. Don't waste time here. Better spend more time to pretend mental breakdown in court. I think it will be a better bet.
 

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In reply to dear ESND (I'm lazy to put up the whole name, sorry)

I agree with most of what you had posted, except on the accessing of the pc and laptop. However, if you meant that forensic experts do the accessing, and not just the police... I would tend to agree on that bit too.

Why do I think this? Simple, if an individual is trained in obtaining forensic evidence, being observant should be one big criteria.. and if you should access a pc or laptop, and unknowingly click on items.. let's say a internet browser, the old web page previously being viewed could have been wiped away.

I am aware of certain softwares that erase "trails" of sites that were visited upon openning of internet bworsers.. forgot the name..

Plus, I am surprised that Shane's laptop did not have a security password on the powering up. This would be quite weird, no?

And if the laptop has a password, how did the police know of it? Supposing there is no password, did the police give detail reports on what they did on Shane's laptop? Like, which folders they searched and viewed.. for how long did they access the laptop.. these, I feel.. are important

But, I digress.. the thing is.. SG Police.. law enforcement agencies and even the court system are under severe scrutiny of all sgs (it has been, imho ever since a certain Dr got away with telling another person to stand in for his traffice offences and got, what I think is a very light fine).. and the American media.. who probably has an intention to use this story to fill their "ammo" on the idea that SG is severely controlled.

Whatever happens, pappies gained nothing and lost big time.. SPF and the courts would have shown to the international media that the legal process here is not something they might want to get involved with.

Conclusion? Stay clear of Singapore, esp ppl from developed countries who have lived in a democratic system.
 
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