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Wise words from Khaw Boon Wan "university degree not vital for success"
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No I don't. If places are set aside for certain groups, all it does is devalue a degree. Affirmative action does nothing to help in most cases. It simply tarnishes the category of people which the action is trying to help.
Sinkies nowadays are simply spoilt brats who want something for nothing.
All PAP ministers are top notch. The track record of the country speaks for itself.
It's true that a university degree is not vital for success, including the establishment definition of sucesss which is material wealth.
But for someone in a country leadership position who has been to university, who sent his children to university, to make such comment is simply a cop out, to cover himself and his colleagues in case there are not enough university places or if university grads can't get good jobs.
While we know that a degree is not vital for success, it certainly helps.
Let me give a real forum example of why having a university degree is better than not having one.
One of our forummers, a former policeman and investigator claims that he is not a grad. He would make comments like "For a grad, he is not very smart, etc." Whether he has some emotional baggage about not going to university, I don't know. Only he knows that.
Notwithstanding that, he can be said to have been a success, worked for years in the establishment as a policeman, investigator and in other special roles. You can also ask him why he worked for so many years in that type of role, but now he has left, suddenly becomes an establishment critic.
Now on a pension and enjoying life gambling and going to night spots. Success? Most of us would say that he probably is.
However, he recently made this comment in the forum, that going to high end night spots used to be FOC for former policemen and investigators like him, because it was one of their privileges. My reply to his post was that it was not a privilege, but tantamount to corruption.
This is not an issue of morality, because we have seen recently several cases of people who have obviously got a basic degree or more, step beyond moral boundaries.
What I am suggesting a university degree would do for people like this chap are the following:
1. If he had taken a professional degree, he would have had to take at least one or more course in professional ethics.
2. If he had taken a science or related degree, he would have formal training in logical deduction and empirical analysis, which would probably lead to better rationalisation and decision making.
3. If he had taken a course in business, finance or economics, he would have courses, lessons and case studies in business dealings, which would include ethics and acceptable business practices.
4. If he had taken any other degree even without the above, perhaps he would have been exposed to teachers, peers , case studies or even situations, where a sensible rational ethical mentality would prevail, instead of the "what he sees being done over the years must be right and ok type of mentality". This would include not only the situations he comes across but also the occasional document or information he comes across.
A university degree may not be vital for success, including the establishment definition of success which is material wealth, but I really think it's better to have one than not to have one.
But for someone in a country leadership position who has been to university, who sent his children to university, to make such comment is simply a cop out, to cover himself and his colleagues in case there are not enough university places or if university grads can't get good jobs.
While we know that a degree is not vital for success, it certainly helps.
Let me give a real forum example of why having a university degree is better than not having one.
One of our forummers, a former policeman and investigator claims that he is not a grad. He would make comments like "For a grad, he is not very smart, etc." Whether he has some emotional baggage about not going to university, I don't know. Only he knows that.
Notwithstanding that, he can be said to have been a success, worked for years in the establishment as a policeman, investigator and in other special roles. You can also ask him why he worked for so many years in that type of role, but now he has left, suddenly becomes an establishment critic.
Now on a pension and enjoying life gambling and going to night spots. Success? Most of us would say that he probably is.
However, he recently made this comment in the forum, that going to high end night spots used to be FOC for former policemen and investigators like him, because it was one of their privileges. My reply to his post was that it was not a privilege, but tantamount to corruption.
This is not an issue of morality, because we have seen recently several cases of people who have obviously got a basic degree or more, step beyond moral boundaries.
What I am suggesting a university degree would do for people like this chap are the following:
1. If he had taken a professional degree, he would have had to take at least one or more course in professional ethics.
2. If he had taken a science or related degree, he would have formal training in logical deduction and empirical analysis, which would probably lead to better rationalisation and decision making.
3. If he had taken a course in business, finance or economics, he would have courses, lessons and case studies in business dealings, which would include ethics and acceptable business practices.
4. If he had taken any other degree even without the above, perhaps he would have been exposed to teachers, peers , case studies or even situations, where a sensible rational ethical mentality would prevail, instead of the "what he sees being done over the years must be right and ok type of mentality". This would include not only the situations he comes across but also the occasional document or information he comes across.
A university degree may not be vital for success, including the establishment definition of success which is material wealth, but I really think it's better to have one than not to have one.
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It looks like we are all talking at cross-purposes.
Obviously you do not need a degree to succeed. There are enough successful people around the world to prove. The issue is that everyone must be given the opportunity to realise his or her potential. There are many vocations that requires a tertiary qualifications and even at advanced level to do so.
The ideal is everyone to realise his potential.
As I pointed out earlier, even a millionaire tradesman or a successful business tycoon with no formal education will expect that the doctor who treats him has a degree, the lawyer who drafts his contracts has a degree and the engineer that designed his car has a degree.
We all know that you do not need a degree to succeed and be happy. You also need not live in a 2 story bungalow, drive a 2 litre European car and have a pool to be happy. But it is does not hurt having all these as well as a degree. Does it not?
Obviously you do not need a degree to succeed. There are enough successful people around the world to prove. The issue is that everyone must be given the opportunity to realise his or her potential. There are many vocations that requires a tertiary qualifications and even at advanced level to do so.
The ideal is everyone to realise his potential.
As I pointed out earlier, even a millionaire tradesman or a successful business tycoon with no formal education will expect that the doctor who treats him has a degree, the lawyer who drafts his contracts has a degree and the engineer that designed his car has a degree.
We all know that you do not need a degree to succeed and be happy. You also need not live in a 2 story bungalow, drive a 2 litre European car and have a pool to be happy. But it is does not hurt having all these as well as a degree. Does it not?
Then why bother to keep building Universities? Just 1 will do, guarantee the Degree will be prestigious and valuable.
If there are enough places in universities for everyone, then the degree is worthless. This is what has happened in the West.
Degrees mean nothing in NZ. It's far too easy to get one. Tradespeople rank higher in importance. When a pipe bursts at 3 am, the last person you want is a graduate. You want someone who can fix the catastrophe.
They build universities to make money from dumbfucks who think a degree is important when it isn't.
Name me a couple of Mega Structures' Architects and Engineers without a Degree.
It has nothing to do with talking at cross purposes. The anti PAP brigade simply latch on to ANYTHING a minister says and distort it beyond recognition by quoting out of context or, as is the case here, coming up with ludicrous logic.
It was the same scenario when TCH said "What do you think?". The response from the cowardly keyboard warriors was "We pay you millions but you ask us to think for you???". Notice that a hall full of "brash young men and women" did not utter any retorts to his face. They waited till they were behind the safety of their keyboards.
TCH's response was completely valid. He wanted to extract more information in order to improve the depth of the discussion.
Try getting a handyman to repair the aeroplane you are boarding soon.
None of the aircraft technicians have degrees you twit. Neither does the most important person of all and that's the guy who's piloting the plane. Your responses are getting more and more lame.
As usual, you and your establishment mentality forum buddies are fixated on the concept of success being either that of material wealth or having your problems fixed.
A university degree will not help those who step beyond moral boundaries, but it may help gullible blur fucks to be able to rationalise sensibly on acceptable business practices and ethical dealings, instead of having the mindset that what they see being done or what everybody does is acceptable, simply because it has always been done this way.
You don't need to be brilliant, or be good at your job, or have stellar academic qualifications, or be handsome, tall or articulate to make it big in Singapore.
Just marry into the right family and you are set for life.
Want proof? There you go:
connectivity mah
Who's heading the aircraft Technicians and making the decisions? ITE graduates?
You sure, down the road Degree will not be a must to be a pilot after the older generation retires?
Take at look at the requirements for Cabin Crew.
Cabin Crew (Singapore)
We will be conducting a recruitment exercise for Flight Stewardesses/Stewards in Singapore. If you meet the following requirements, we will be pleased to meet you at our walk-in interview.
Requirements
* Singapore citizen
* Minimum age of 18 years old
* Females who are at least 1.58m; males who are at least 1.65m in height
* Degree/ Diploma
OR
* At least 2 GCE ‘A’-level credits and 2 ‘AO’-level credits including General Paper in the GCE ‘A’-level examination
OR
* At least 5 GCE ‘O’-level credits including English and working experience
* Completed, are exempted from, or are not liable for National Service. Those in the process of completing NS may also apply.
I spent 4 years in uni. I was not taught any ethics. My buddies in Bizad weren't taught any ethics either. They were taught how to extend the reach of MNCs by seeking out cheap labour.
My doctor friends had to take some sort of oath to help humanity. Most of them have gone on to become obscenely rich. They spend their spare time racing their Porsches up North.
This is a favorite pet topic for ... LeongSam !
Ya, right. They have been offering Degree courses and Pharaoh's Scholarship a couple hundred of years ago.
In modern day, who is willing to put their millions on some Architects or Engineers without a Degree to build a Mega Structure?
In modern day, who is willing to put their millions on some Architects or Engineers without a Degree to build a Mega Structure?
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