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nayr69sg

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I have relatives in Vancouver & Mississauga. They have been there for decades. Back then their choice was determined by the available jobs. The one working in Ontario is an engineer working in the aircraft manufacturing line. The one in Vancouver is in finance.

Those Sporeans that I know who are living in Alberta are in the more mobile occupations like programmers, sales jobs,...

The lack of direct flights is a pain. It makes it difficult to visit my friends in Edmonton :smile:

Years ago I remember having conversations with johny333, charlie99, winnipegjets and several others.

The take home message was.....start all over.....adapt and do what the place you go to requires you to do.

And I did. I chose Alberta because of the low tax system, the strong economy based on the oil & gas industry and Edmonton because of the larger number of entry level positions.

My first job was as a general laborer in PVC windows factory assembling jambs, slope sills and picture frames. It was later that I got a break to work in crown surface land administration in the oil & gas industry.

If you want to do well in Alberta, you should look at oil & gas related industries or look at trades. (ie electricians, plumbers, carpenters, welders etc) This is what is short here in Alberta. Having said that it is still very difficult because you need to have either strong recommendations and a lot of luck or canadian qualifications. I can see why Singaporeans find it so tough to come out to Alberta. Probably the same goes for those from Indian and PRC. Truth is, there are very few of these in the oil & gas sector which pays well.

Start all over, prepare to work from the bottom up. Take any job that comes your way first and then see what other doors open. That was the best bit of advice I ever got not just for migrating to Canada but in life in general.

It came to stage where I was seriously considering whether I wanted to go back to medicine if I got the chance to. It wasn't so much a case of whether I needed to, but whether I wanted to. I am still amazed that I got to this stage. Looking back to when I first wrote to those forum members here about migrating and worrying how I'd make a living much less do well, it's hard to believe it didn't seem so difficult after all. Much has been said about how difficult it is for foreign doctors to get back into their profession after migrating to Canada. I'd still say it is a massive task and near impossible, 4 exams, 2 interviews and a lot of luck at the very least. But hey, impossible is nothing once you have achieved it eh?

In the end I looked back at the principle of keeping my options open and keeping doors open. Going back to medicine keeps more doors open. The land industry is still an open door for me. Perhaps I may return someday to the oil & gas sector in a medical related position on the back of my having experience working in the industry? You never know how the dots connect till you look back.

I can say that our journey to Canada and in Canada was "easy" but then again not everyone would agree to have done what my family and I had done.

Life is a journey not a destination. It is how we choose to make of that journey that is far more important than where it takes us.
 
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With respect, and not to be impolite, frankly, I do not care and do not bother whether or not Singaporeans are emigrating to Canada.
I rarely interact with Singaporeans and Chinese, but last year, I met a recent immigrant from Singapore for lunch.
However, I am unsure whether or not he has found income producing work.

Many years ago when [nayr69sg] was posting about his considerations and plans to emigrate to either Australia or Canada, I started following this Emigration folder.
I believe that [nayr69sg] has successfully settled in Alberta, Canada. He was a medical doctor in Singapore, but he is a very humble pragmatic individual, who worked in a factory manufacturing windows, when he arrived in Edmonton, Alberta.
If new immigrants are similar to [nayr69sg], there will be less individuals who rely on Employment Insurance or social assistance.

I know of several Singaporeans here in Edmonton who has successfully settled as well. In Alberta, you cannot have EI without having worked sufficient hours. And even if you do qualify for EI, it is not enough. And social assistance? What social assistance? Unless you turn to fraud. All the Singaporeans I know have done well for themselves through hard work and sacrifice. To a large extent I'd say what we had to do is something most Singaporeans would say is "stupid", "waste of time", and "crazy".

So basically it is make it or break it. Which is a good thing if you ask me. The more we have of similar such people here in Alberta, the stronger the province will get.

I read much about the woes in Ontario and how the politics seeks to blame Alberta for its problems. Which is utterly ridiculous.
 

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"If you want to do well in Alberta, you should look at oil & gas related industries or look at trades. (ie electricians, plumbers, carpenters, welders etc)"

The above statement is very true for Alberta.
 

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I know of several Singaporeans here in Edmonton who has successfully settled as well. In Alberta, you cannot have EI without having worked sufficient hours. And even if you do qualify for EI, it is not enough. And social assistance? What social assistance? Unless you turn to fraud. All the Singaporeans I know have done well for themselves through hard work and sacrifice. To a large extent I'd say what we had to do is something most Singaporeans would say is "stupid", "waste of time", and "crazy".

So basically it is make it or break it. Which is a good thing if you ask me. The more we have of similar such people here in Alberta, the stronger the province will get.

I read much about the woes in Ontario and how the politics seeks to blame Alberta for its problems. Which is utterly ridiculous.

Congratulations!
(to you and all your Singaporean friends)

I am confident that you will be financially successful, content, satisfied and at peace with your emigration/immigration and career decision(s).

I have lost interest in consumer insolvency work, and there has been very little commercial insolvency work (except for a few mega files which go to the BIG firms). Accordingly, during the past 33 months, I have done only a few files, which is almost equivalent to being retired (at early 50's), except not receiving CPP and not withdrawing RRSP.

I am awake at this late night / early morning, doing all the white and dark clothes in the laundry late in the evening, and iron it tomorrow morning, because my second child (at St. Michael's Choir School, where there is only one class per grade from Grade 3 to 12, and celebrating its 75th Anniversary - unlike our school which should be celebrating 190th year) and almost all his schoolmates are leaving tomorrow for Rome and Florence for 12 days for their Italy 2013 Tour, singing at various concerts, mass with the Pope (and audience with the Pope), at the Pontifical Institute of Sacred Music.

Notwithstanding all these, I am still planning to exercise at the gym tomorrow morning.
 
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Thank you charlie99. I am thankful to all the advice I got from you and many others. Wise words from people who had walked the path before me. They served me excellently.

I wish you and your family, happiness, joy and good health. :smile:
 

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Milk at 4 bucks haha. Baby fomula in peesai cost almost 80 bucks. In Canada and OZ on 25 plus. peesai tax is actually 36% which is in the guise of CPF. Plus COE alone can buy barrels of milk for 10 years. Yup taxes are high in canada and oz, but at least a family of 10 can be covered in terms of healthcare. Peesai medisafe cant even cover anyone who needs serious heathcare.
Peesai no choice at anything man. You got to bend over 24-7.
 
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If you are sitting on the fence and reading this thread because you're making a decision to emigrate or not, you will arrive at one of these three situations:

1. The opinions expressed will influence you and deter you completely.

2. The opinions expressed will influence you and deter you for awhile.

3. The opinions expressed will influence you but not deter your decision at all.

Some posts are meant to achieve achieve 1 while others are meant to achieve 2.

If you belong to 2, you will postpone your decision again and again until too much time has passed that you eventually give up your intention and plans to emigrate. Some of you even have your PR status but are still in Singapore.

Life is not going to be a bed of roses when you leave and sink roots in your new destination. It is going to be much, much tougher. You will feel miserable often and even question why you made this stupid decision. You will keep encountering rejection after rejection, disappointment after disappointment, failure after countless failure. All the while as you watch your bank account become smaller each time you go to the ATM to withdraw money. All the while as pressure mounts when your family expenses need to be paid while you're either jobless looking for a job, or working in a survival job that pays less than what you need to get by each month. For those who have sizeable reserves or confirmed job offers or transfers, life is gentler and kinder in managing the transition.

But if you do not have that offer or job in hand, and are desperately seeking to achieve your dream or ideal... eventually, you convince yourself that what was said in this thread is correct, or what was uttered by your relatives, friends and colleagues are correct.., all the discouragement masked in seemingly factual and first-hand experience accounts. And finally you make your move back a broken man, neither a realized/fulfilled/actualized person in your destination of dreams nor in your origin of disappointments.

Or...

... you accept that such distractions and propaganda are part and parcel of a waning regime's last gasp and seizure of power. That it may be omnipresent around you, but never omnipotent over you.

You will learn to let the fear pass through you and make the decision move on, move forward towards a different life where your hopes, wishes and ideals in your destination country are not measured by the same standards and criteria as those in Singapore.

You will question your own interpretation, values, beliefs and ideals in that process. A survival job will have no shame nor hold any sway over you for fear of what your relatives and friends back in Singapore perceive of you and how low you have sunk. "So poor thing... Tsk tsk tsk... Can't find a good job and now working as <XYZ>... Hai..."

Your thinking will be changed as a result of the new experiences and new people you meet.

Your assumptions, expectations and way of thinking changes surreptitiously and for the better and you will look back with a renewed faith and courage in yourself... a new you.

You are a paranoid idiot.

I am no fan of the PAP regime. I hate the PAP with a vengeance and I dislike their methods. Neither am I trying to discourage Sinkies from leaving Singapore.

I am merely trying to let people know that Canada is not as good as it seems.

The U.S. is a far better option.

Obviously, you have never been to Canada.

The truth is that in Canada, either the high prices, lack of jobs or the passive aggressiveness will get to you eventually.

No point debating this with you. You go believe in what you want to believe in your paranoid little world.

For others, I seriously recommend the U.S. over Canada, unless you enjoy years of unemployment and paying sky high prices while having to deal with super unfriendly, passive people who resent you because you are a foreigner and lump you together with all the Indians and Pakistanis whom they also despise.
 
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Years ago I remember having conversations with johny333, charlie99, winnipegjets and several others.

The take home message was.....start all over.....adapt and do what the place you go to requires you to do.

And I did. I chose Alberta because of the low tax system, the strong economy based on the oil & gas industry and Edmonton because of the larger number of entry level positions.

My first job was as a general laborer in PVC windows factory assembling jambs, slope sills and picture frames. It was later that I got a break to work in crown surface land administration in the oil & gas industry.

If you want to do well in Alberta, you should look at oil & gas related industries or look at trades. (ie electricians, plumbers, carpenters, welders etc) This is what is short here in Alberta. Having said that it is still very difficult because you need to have either strong recommendations and a lot of luck or canadian qualifications. I can see why Singaporeans find it so tough to come out to Alberta. Probably the same goes for those from Indian and PRC. Truth is, there are very few of these in the oil & gas sector which pays well.

Start all over, prepare to work from the bottom up. Take any job that comes your way first and then see what other doors open. That was the best bit of advice I ever got not just for migrating to Canada but in life in general.

It came to stage where I was seriously considering whether I wanted to go back to medicine if I got the chance to. It wasn't so much a case of whether I needed to, but whether I wanted to. I am still amazed that I got to this stage. Looking back to when I first wrote to those forum members here about migrating and worrying how I'd make a living much less do well, it's hard to believe it didn't seem so difficult after all. Much has been said about how difficult it is for foreign doctors to get back into their profession after migrating to Canada. I'd still say it is a massive task and near impossible, 4 exams, 2 interviews and a lot of luck at the very least. But hey, impossible is nothing once you have achieved it eh?

In the end I looked back at the principle of keeping my options open and keeping doors open. Going back to medicine keeps more doors open. The land industry is still an open door for me. Perhaps I may return someday to the oil & gas sector in a medical related position on the back of my having experience working in the industry? You never know how the dots connect till you look back.

I can say that our journey to Canada and in Canada was "easy" but then again not everyone would agree to have done what my family and I had done.

Life is a journey not a destination. It is how we choose to make of that journey that is far more important than where it takes us.

Nayr69sg,

Good to know that your experience turned out well for you and your family.

Are you now qualified as a medical doctor in Alberta?

The accreditation processes for doctors and lawyers who are foreigners in Canada are infamous for being ridiculously tough and almost undoable. So if you had gone through that crazy tough process and got licensed, my hats off to you man. I have heard so many horror stories from people who have gone through the crazy process.

Unlike you, I'm lucky cuz I'm in a field not needing accreditation (finance). But I chose Ontario as my destination, and it turned out to be a freaking nightmare and I decided to leave a couple of years ago, mainly because of the low job availability and also the unfriendliness/standoffishness of the people in T.O. Also, too many Indians and Pakistanis in T.O., to the extent that the city feels like India.

I heard good things about Calgary and Edmonton from my friends, so I might consider checking it out. ARE THE LOCALS IN ALBERTA FRIENDLY AND OPEN TO FOREIGNERS? I am very curious about Alberta's social environment vis a vis foreigners. Thanks for sharing your insights about the job market in AB, but you can tell me more on the social environment aspects of Alberta for foreigners. Feel free to message me.

But right now, my priority to get permanent residency in sunny California. I might consider going to Alberta if the US thing does not pan out, as a backup option.
 
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Thank you charlie99. I am thankful to all the advice I got from you and many others. Wise words from people who had walked the path before me. They served me excellently.

I wish you and your family, happiness, joy and good health. :smile:

Thank you.
 

indig10

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If a person is objective and balanced enough, he will be humble or truthful enough to state: "This is my experience which has turned out to be bad. But I also admit that my experience does not represent all others. It may simply be one in a million. Other people may have had similar experiences to me, or much better experiences than me."

But when a person only spouts negative comments about the place that he has stayed for 12 whole years, what does it say about him?

What does it imply about the way he reveals his innermost thoughts behind a veneer of anonymity?

When he tars an entire country with only his experience, what does that say about his credibility?

The serious and thinking men will learn to discard the words of this person logically and calmly.
 
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Met a young Singaporean woman working as a monk in Edmonton. Lots of Bruneian Malaysians and some Singaporeans at the temple.
The only direct flight to Alberta is Air Canada's Tokyo to Calgary route

Those Sporeans that I know who are living in Alberta are in the more mobile occupations like programmers, sales jobs,...

The lack of direct flights is a pain. It makes it difficult to visit my friends in Edmonton :smile:
 

mayliewwan

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Most small towns in AB will be your nightmare. eg Provost
Edmonton??? Went to a Portuguese restaurant once. Diners stop eating and starred at us.(black tops) Same thing happened when we went to a Ukrainian restaurant for perogies meal. Racism????


Nayr69sg,

so I might consider checking it out. ARE THE LOCALS IN ALBERTA FRIENDLY AND OPEN TO FOREIGNERS?

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mayliewwan

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Need red seal ticket???

"If you want to do well in Alberta, you should look at oil & gas related industries or look at trades. (ie electricians, plumbers, carpenters, welders etc)"

The above statement is very true for Alberta.
 

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Milk at 4 bucks haha. Baby fomula in peesai cost almost 80 bucks. In Canada and OZ on 25 plus. peesai tax is actually 36% which is in the guise of CPF. Plus COE alone can buy barrels of milk for 10 years. Yup taxes are high in canada and oz, but at least a family of 10 can be covered in terms of healthcare. Peesai medisafe cant even cover anyone who needs serious heathcare.
Peesai no choice at anything man. You got to bend over 24-7.


My relative who is staying in Vancouver now has 6 kids. When he first arrived in Canada he only had kid:smile:

If iCanada was as expensive as Spore, there is no way he could have afford to have all those kids.
 

nayr69sg

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Nayr69sg,

Good to know that your experience turned out well for you and your family.

Are you now qualified as a medical doctor in Alberta?

The accreditation processes for doctors and lawyers who are foreigners in Canada are infamous for being ridiculously tough and almost undoable. So if you had gone through that crazy tough process and got licensed, my hats off to you man. I have heard so many horror stories from people who have gone through the crazy process.

Unlike you, I'm lucky cuz I'm in a field not needing accreditation (finance). But I chose Ontario as my destination, and it turned out to be a freaking nightmare and I decided to leave a couple of years ago, mainly because of the low job availability and also the unfriendliness/standoffishness of the people in T.O. Also, too many Indians and Pakistanis in T.O., to the extent that the city feels like India.

I heard good things about Calgary and Edmonton from my friends, so I might consider checking it out. ARE THE LOCALS IN ALBERTA FRIENDLY AND OPEN TO FOREIGNERS? I am very curious about Alberta's social environment vis a vis foreigners. Thanks for sharing your insights about the job market in AB, but you can tell me more on the social environment aspects of Alberta for foreigners. Feel free to message me.

But right now, my priority to get permanent residency in sunny California. I might consider going to Alberta if the US thing does not pan out, as a backup option.

Hi there,

The locals in Edmonton are extremely friendly and warm. You can see it from the way the majority drive on the roads. I can't say the same from my experience driving in Calgary. So this varies a lot from city to city, county to county etc. Generally the smaller the community the warmer? The less foreigners the better?

There was one instance when we were waiting to cross a road. We were not at a crosswalk. But the cars stopped for us. So we crossed. As we crossed, someone from a Ford F-150 truck in the line of vehicles that stopped shouted "Next time go to the crosswalk!"

Initial reaction is to feel "WTF?"

But then I turned to my wife and said, "there will always be people like that, but do we focus on them, or do we look at the other cars and drivers who actually bothered to stop for us?"

It's all about perspective.

The experience turned out well for me and my family, is also a perspective. I say it did. But I am sure for some people say they were lawyers or doctors or bankers....if their first job was working in a PVC windows factory, dusty, using power tools, table saws, carrying heavy glass etc.....some might say that is a nightmare to them! Those months working in the factory were some of the best times I have had!

Perspective again.

I think you might be unlucky because you think that you are in a field that does not need accreditation. I have heard of many Singaporeans who try very hard to gain employment in their field thinking that there is no "requirement" for accreditation. The reality is "Canadian Experience" is valued but cannot be said outright. Hence people get disappointed.

I was lucky that I knew from day one what I had to do and what to expect. I wrote to several medical related job ads but received no invitations for interview. That was expected. I later looked at entry level blue collar jobs and found they paid better than some of these "white collar" jobs. And within a month I was gainfully employed. Again I say many Singaporean white collar professionals would say it is a nightmare for them to become a factory worker. I say it was a blessing. With that job I managed to get a second home loan and increase our options for generating income. I was telling my wife the other day that in the end it took 3 years for me to get back into medicine. If not for my jobs in the factory and land we would probably have gone back to Singapore already.

Are Albertans welcoming to foreigners in the workforce? I would say probably not. But then again why should they be? I see it from both sides. In Singapore we never liked having our jobs taken away by FT. Why should the people in Alberta be different? Unless there is really absolutely no one willing to do the job. Which happens.

If you want to get in you have to work hard, push open doors, and prove yourself. Never easy. Yes Canada is no walk in the park but I have thoroughly enjoyed my experience here. I say this wholeheartedly and If you don't like Canada and perceive it as not so good, then don't come. Less competition for us. But if you do, then work hard, lower your expectations and slowly see your progression. It is very satisfying. This is a society which rewards hard work and performance and not by virtue of elitist connections. Well at least at my lowly level.

With regards to medicine, I got accepted to a position in family medicine residency. That's the toughest step. I still need to complete a final 3 month externship followed by a 2 year residency, and 2 more exams to get full licensure. I have met several other IMG doctors trying as well. It is tough. Many exams, interviews, personal statements to write, reference letters to obtain etc etc. The administrative work and studying and preparing for exams will put off many. Why do I have to start all over again? That's the question the doctors keep saying. But that's the name of the game. Either you play or you don't.

Frankly I didn't try that hard. One of the things I thought would be required was to "work for free" doing "observorships" in clinics. This I refused to do. I'd rather be earning a pay check and furthering another career than to waste time working for free hoping for some good referral letter for residency. I was all prepared and very happy to continue doing something else. I'd say I am very very lucky to have got my break in land and then the residency in family medicine.

So luck plays a big part.

Finally, this thing about social landscape, these things will change with time and experiences. At present I find Edmonton really good. There aren't too many foreigners around but yet we are not like a rarity. But that could change with more immigration. Who knows? But having moved around several times in place of stay and work I'd say we can pretty much move anywhere now. That feeling is truly liberating. It doesn't matter whether the place I now stay has to stay the same or change for the worse. I'll just move to somewhere I like better. It won't be easy but we've done it many times. It all started when I chose to give up my training position as a surgeon in Singapore. People said you are crazy, why give up so much? etc etc.....

The less you have, the more mobile you are. And it's all really about perspectives.
 
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I read much about the woes in Ontario and how the politics seeks to blame Alberta for its problems. Which is utterly ridiculous.

I beg to disagree. A high dollar caused by Alberta oil is no good for manufacturing. The Canadian dollar was once only worth USD0.60. Look at how the Norwegian are managing the wealth from their oil exports. That's something that Alberta should have followed.

If Ontario's wealth is not transferred to the rest of the country, Ontario would do just fine. The oil industry in Alberta continues to get billions in subsidies and tax breaks from the federal government. Guess, how is that possible if not for Ontario's contribution to the federation? There is the latest report showing that Ontario is out $11 billion a year.

You are in right-wing territory and all you get is right-wing stuff. Move to BC and you get a more balanced view. Or to Ontario. People in the West hates Ontario because the latter had dominated federal politics for so long. The West is in now and you see the harsh treatment that Ontario is getting. The budgets for the past 7 years have been focussed on helping the West. Alberta is doing well, yet it is getting another few billions extra in transfer. Why? It is this archaic rule that revenues from non-renewable resources (oil) are exempted from the calculation to determine transfers.

Ontario will do just fine if it leaves Canada. Unfortunately, the people in power won't even consider playing the separation card like Alberta and Quebec have. Reports like the latest by Mowat will go a long way to get Ontarians to start to focus on the needs of the province instead of trying to keep the country together. If Albertans don't give a damn, why should Ontarians?

In Alberta, you cannot have EI without having worked sufficient hours.

It is true for everywhere. In fact, the rule is so stringent in Ontario (more hours of work needed to qualify) that 35 percent of unemployed Ontarians receive EI.
 

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Hi there,

The locals in Edmonton are extremely friendly and warm. You can see it from the way the majority drive on the roads. I can't say the same from my experience driving in Calgary. So this varies a lot from city to city, county to county etc. Generally the smaller the community the warmer? The less foreigners the better?

Edmontonians are definitely friendlier than the Calgarians. It is the only city in Alberta that the NDP won a seat ...people there are a tad more progressive than the rest of the province.

With regards to medicine, I got accepted to a position in family medicine residency. That's the toughest step. I still need to complete a final 3 month externship followed by a 2 year residency, and 2 more exams to get full licensure. I have met several other IMG doctors trying as well. It is tough. Many exams, interviews, personal statements to write, reference letters to obtain etc etc. The administrative work and studying and preparing for exams will put off many. Why do I have to start all over again? That's the question the doctors keep saying. But that's the name of the game. Either you play or you don't.

Congrats! Did you check out the Sasketchewan government offer to doctors who will be willing to work in the rural areas? It is open to local and foreign-trained doctors. I have the opinion that it is easier to get register in Sasketchewan.

http://www.hrreporter.com/articleview/17496-saskatchewan-bc-offer-funding-to-attract-doctors
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2012/12/13/sk-india-doctors-1212.html
http://www.saskimmigrationcanada.ca/doctors
 

winnipegjets

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Haha! I know what you mean. Conservatives vs Liberals. No question I prefer the blue.

Let's not lose our empathy and compassion. Sinkapore is a true blue country, yet you left it.

Many immigrants chose Canada because of its social programmes. Then when they are in, they support tax cuts and expect no change in the programmes. Our foolish they are. If they want to live in a low-tax country with little social programmes, they should stay in Asia or head to sinkapore.
 

winnipegjets

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Before you arrived in Canada, most of us in Ontario will recall the financial disaster ($10 billion deficit) incurred by the NDP Ontario government led by Bob Rae in the 1990's.

Give the complete picture. Ontario was in one of the worst recession. The choice was simple - boost the economy or let the people die. Rae was a progressive and he chose to do the former. That's why he was not a good fit in the NDP camp.

I heard this from a neighbour in Toronto.
During a campaign for elections, a man who is a Conservative spoke to the daughter of his neighbours who support the NDP. The young lady / girl asked the Conservative why he did not put a $10 bill into the hat of the homeless man outside the liquor store. The Conservative said that he works for a living, and asked her whether she would be interested to mow his lawn for $10, so that she can give the $10 to the homeless man. She replied: "may be he can mow your lawn." He responded: "that is my point"

Conservatives paint all who are unemployed or homeless as lazy bums. Are they?
 

winnipegjets

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Don't go Canada.
The Canadians are very passive aggressive towards non-white immigrants. They are very racist, but the problem is that they don't dare to say it to your face, so they just become passive aggressive towards you and constantly give you the passive aggressive, silent treatment.

It is happening everywhere in the world - UK, Australia, NZ, US ....


The whites tend to socially exclude non-white immigrants and set up crazy and insanely high obstacles and barriers to prevent you from entering the job market to get jobs that match your qualifications.

And yet you see many non-whites making it.

Also, most things are about 25%-40% more expensive than the U.S., even before tax.

Have you bother to find out why?

The tax in Canada is much higher than the U.S.

And Canada has one-year publicly funded maternity leave while US doesn't have any! Social programmes are not free. If you want to pay low taxes, sinkapore is the place to be.
 
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