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The Prime Minister's By-Elections Dilemma

scroobal

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Back from another Teh Tarik and late night Prata session.

Here is the PM's dilemma - no one is ready to assure him that a victory for the PAP is guaranteed and here is the main reason why;

- they actually do not have a suitable candidate and if the opposition springs a charismatic candidate as a surprise, they might actually be in trouble. In their current pool,they have the usual standard fare - scholars of the same mould and a few less than colourful chaps etc. By the way Ong KY is not in the running. Apparently his capital stock is not paying dividends. The strike is too closely linked to his bad work.

Unlike a GE, where the PAP can slip in lesser qualities thru GRC setups, it is not the same as in a SMC and where the entire nation's attention is focused in one place. That also includes all the online forms. By the way, those who were present realised that all well known forums are actually anti establishment including Hardware Zone. The forums have a higher profile and carry more informative content than blogs. And where the blogs are influential, they are in the hands of anti establishment or liberal identities.

The decision is to wait for the dust to settle before a detailed ground reading is undertaken. It will not be confined to Punggol but the entire country. As a by elections tends to be a proxy battle for all of Singapore.

The PM cannot use the Ong Chit Chung GRC argument to make the case for not having a BE. He also cannot find a reason to state the difference between Hougang and Ponggol. He really wants to have a BE but he cannot afford to lose this seat.

Funnily his dilemma would have been the same if Palmer had died in office. Their assessment is that Palmer was so well regarded that his "grave" mistake would not be result in a voters backlash. As one pundit suggested, it looks like his resignation might have been too hasty. They should have just removed him as speaker as punishment.

Looks like at this stage no one really knows what he will do. It might be a finger in the air after all.
 

Bigfuck

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Asset
There is an additional issue. Punggol is a big MLM to push a worthless piece of land to sky high property prices. It has been a big failure to date and if it falls into oppo hands, it is the coffin. It is blood on the ground due to too much blatant lying. What can you get on the ground? You do a real survey in Stalinist Russia, everyone will say good things about Stalin. You do an oral survey, it is basically noise. Look at the MPS televised and you can see all ball carriers belong to Leegime. It is a staged show. Cannot see even a typical person in the background, shy of the cameraman.
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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He has little choice but to call a BE. Until he does, they will do their utmost to make full use of their prostitutes and scumbags to make for a sweeter ground. Everyone else should continually clamour for a BE until it is actually called.
 

enterprise2

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Loyal
Back from another Teh Tarik and late night Prata session.

Here is the PM's dilemma - no one is ready to assure him that a victory for the PAP is guaranteed and here is the main reason why;

- they actually do not have a suitable candidate and if the opposition springs a charismatic candidate as a surprise, they might actually be in trouble. In their current pool,they have the usual standard fare - scholars of the same mould and a few less than colourful chaps etc. By the way Ong KY is not in the running. Apparently his capital stock is not paying dividends. The strike is too closely linked to his bad work.

Unlike a GE, where the PAP can slip in lesser qualities thru GRC setups, it is not the same as in a SMC and where the entire nation's attention is focused in one place. That also includes all the online forms. By the way, those who were present realised that all well known forums are actually anti establishment including Hardware Zone. The forums have a higher profile and carry more informative content than blogs. And where the blogs are influential, they are in the hands of anti establishment or liberal identities.

The decision is to wait for the dust to settle before a detailed ground reading is undertaken. It will not be confined to Punggol but the entire country. As a by elections tends to be a proxy battle for all of Singapore.

The PM cannot use the Ong Chit Chung GRC argument to make the case for not having a BE. He also cannot find a reason to state the difference between Hougang and Ponggol. He really wants to have a BE but he cannot afford to lose this seat.

Funnily his dilemma would have been the same if Palmer had died in office. Their assessment is that Palmer was so well regarded that his "grave" mistake would not be result in a voters backlash. As one pundit suggested, it looks like his resignation might have been too hasty. They should have just removed him as speaker as punishment.

Looks like at this stage no one really knows what he will do. It might be a finger in the air after all.

Thats what I said in one of my threads. For once we have a pretty even contest. Pappies on the backrope, reeling. Opp needs to unite to deliver a telling blow. However if Opp is disjointed, that Pappies can recover and smash the Opp revivial. OK, time to take out the coke and peanuts and enjoy the show!
 

aurvandil

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My understanding was that the original plan was for a quick decisive BE to end all the whispering.

Looks like more cowardly heads have prevailed. I think the speed with which WP made the call for a BE caught them by surprise. They were thinking that WP would be unprepared. WP's actions give the impression of foreknowledge and hence the worry they might pull a heavyweight out of the bag.

I am looking forward for this dragging for another 2 to 3 months. Plenty of opportunity to pepper them with difficult questions ...

The decision is to wait for the dust to settle before a detailed ground reading is undertaken. It will not be confined to Punggol but the entire country. As a by elections tends to be a proxy battle for all of Singapore.
 

batman1

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Come on,he's earning many many times more than Obama and he can't even decide on a by-election issue as if he's going to lose power and die if he lost Punggol East SMC .So indecisive and uncharismatic and guts-less that we can call him Pinky the Bumbler.Obama in his presidentional electon ,decisively pledged to increase taxes of the upper class which is the right and correct policy for the benefit of majority of the american citizens although costing him votes.His head is so engrossed and obsessed with power and money that he has neglected to raise the standard of liivng and quality of life of the average singaporean citizens.If he got cancer relapse,that's God's punishment.
 

cunnilaubu

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Generous Asset
Come on,he's earning many many times more than Obama and he can't even decide on a by-election issue as if he's going to lose power and die if he lost Punggol East SMC .

If PAP loses Punggol, it will be 3 electoral setbacks in a row (4, if you count the PE). That would force him to make more concessions and accelerate the changes (however small steps he had made so far) implemented since GE2011. Hence, I think he cannot afford to lose Punggol.

He needs time to gauge ground sentiments and for this issue to simmer down. On the other hand, he also couldn't drag it for too long lest be seen as indecisive, incompetent or balls-less. I think we are probably looking at around the second anniversary of GE2011, after the budget debates.
 

mojito

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My understanding was that the original plan was for a quick decisive BE to end all the whispering.

Looks like more cowardly heads have prevailed. I think the speed with which WP made the call for a BE caught them by surprise. They were thinking that WP would be unprepared. WP's actions give the impression of foreknowledge and hence the worry they might pull a heavyweight out of the bag.

I am looking forward for this dragging for another 2 to 3 months. Plenty of opportunity to pepper them with difficult questions ...

If the PAP wanted a snap by-election, they would not have held back Palmer's resignation, nor would Judge Pillai be removed. Delays are obviously beneficial to the PAP and I cannot understand why some comments in this forum continue to defy logic.

He can beg georgie yeo to stand... Got chance!

Notice there are no ministers standing for election in SMCs. Bundling MPs with Ministers has always been the PAP strategy to entice young candidates within their network to join politics. Not much for him at the moment except to assault Fortress Aljunied in 2016, if he is willing to in the first place.

PAP candidate at Punggol by-election, if it comes to that, will be older than WP's LLL. Likely a woman but to come up with a candidate from the existing PAP stables within 6 months might not be easy.
 

batman1

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If PAP loses Punggol, it will be 3 electoral setbacks in a row (4, if you count the PE). That would force him to make more concessions and accelerate the changes (however small steps he had made so far) implemented since GE2011. Hence, I think he cannot afford to lose Punggol.

He needs time to gauge ground sentiments and for this issue to simmer down. On the other hand, he also couldn't drag it for too long lest be seen as indecisive, incompetent or balls-less. I think we are probably looking at around the second anniversary of GE2011, after the budget debates.

Yeah,most probabably,around May 2013.
 

kingrant

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Truly a dilemma and a difficult decision.

GY is out. They wont call him back. C',mon, all the talk abt succession and bringing in younger chaps, and then you call him back? He belongs to the TCH LHK group in SAF. They came out together.

Trying to win votes in Ponggol BE by populist measures will not work too. Why? This is truly a BE effect. The govt is formed, has to deliver, and an opening to slip in an Opp member and you still vote in the PAP? Dunce or what?

What wld his father have done?
 

aurvandil

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Going by your logic, the PAP delayed the Hougang BE to help WP.

If the PAP wanted a snap by-election, they would not have held back Palmer's resignation, nor would Judge Pillai be removed. Delays are obviously beneficial to the PAP and I cannot understand why some comments in this forum continue to defy logic.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Generous Asset
PM Lee's indecisiveness will cost him dearly.

Whether WP knows in advanced is immaterial.... the longer he drags, the more time he will give WP or any other parties more time to prepare and roam the ground. Whatever "heavy weight" prepared, will not just go away.

Goh Meng Seng


My understanding was that the original plan was for a quick decisive BE to end all the whispering.

Looks like more cowardly heads have prevailed. I think the speed with which WP made the call for a BE caught them by surprise. They were thinking that WP would be unprepared. WP's actions give the impression of foreknowledge and hence the worry they might pull a heavyweight out of the bag.

I am looking forward for this dragging for another 2 to 3 months. Plenty of opportunity to pepper them with difficult questions ...
 

commoner

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besides army general, ntuc, civil servants,,, PAP has reached the bottom of the barrel,,,,

tin peo ling, f me hard standard people will get tear shed in a SMC.....

desmond choo AGAIN?

risk of putting OYP ministeral material in a SMC and lose again?

if they lose george yeo again, they can lose some ore ministers,,,

pinky is caught between the rock and a hard place,,,,

maybe get his wife or one of his kids to run for it,,,
 

scroobal

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After last night and if I was indeed in his shoes, I too will find it difficult. Not calling a BE for an SMC in which they hold the seat shows loss of confidence.

His hand will be forced. He is going to state that a BE will be held sometime 2013 but will buy time and build the ground support from scratch just to be sure that the PA ground support crew is not damaged, a good candidate is found and lastly scan the intelligence reports to see who the opposition has.

WP only and best option is to field JJ. The time delay factor will also benefit the slow moving yet careful ground building style of WP. Yet another concern for the PM. If SDP throws its weight behind WP, PAP will be in trouble. SDP can make a lot of noise both online and in public.


pinky is caught between the rock and a hard place,,,,
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watchman8

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This is not an easy SMC, as the last time Palmer only has 54%. With this scandal and poor handling of many social issues this year, the ground is not sweet for pap. So don't expect and heavy weight to volunteer or agree to run. George, OYK, and all super scholars currently in civil or military services are going to stare at their shoes or ceiling.

If election is called, expect someone of Sitoh calibre only.
 
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