Y-DNA Testing Of Chinese Results

[Conqueror]

So, Cao Cao wasn't a Han, Chinese ? He and XiaHou Dun were of the same ancestry. No wonder they were banded together - birds of the same feather flock together.

 

[Conqueror]

根据该文说:历史、家谱记载、人口普查姓氏抽样统计结果，与Ｙ染色体检测结果，完全一致。确实存在改姓氏的情况，但比较少，而且改进、该出的人口非常接近，所以对统计结果误差影响非常小。

相反，由于Ｙ检测费用比较大，抽样数量太少，误差比较大。

北狄（翟）人，黄帝长子昌意，少子悃的后代Ｑ，2~3%的中国人。

西国（西落鬼戎、印欧、安息）人，黄帝长子昌意，３子安的后代Ｒ，约1.3%的中国人。主要是部分安氏、赵氏，武威李氏，以及西域的昭武九姓等R1b1b1（M73 +）。

北国（鲜卑、北魏）人，黄帝长子昌意，４子始均的后代Ｎ，6~7%的中国人。

汉族，真正的汉人O3a3c－M134，黄帝６子玄嚣、喾、尧（放勋）、刘式、刘邦（汉朝人）的后代，ＤＮＡ－Ｙ检测，仅仅只有中国人口的5%左右。

黄帝５子挥的后代Ｏ３，约7%的中国人。

黄帝６子玄嚣、喾、子契、商汤的后代O3a3c1－M117，超过10%的中国人都是商人，上海、客家超过11%。

黄帝２５子任禺阳的后代Ｏ３，约1%的中国人。

中国人主要是周人（隋人）O3a3b－M7。黄帝６子玄嚣、喾、姬弃、周文王家族的后代，ＤＮＡ－Ｙ检测，20几%的中国人都是周人。上海、台湾汉族超过26%。人口普查抽样统计约27%。

其次是秦人（唐人、宋人）、商人O3-cd-LY1。黄帝７子清、大业、大理皋陶、伯益的后代，约14%的中国人都是秦人（唐人、宋人），接近人口普查抽样统计结果。

夏人（元人、清人），黄帝长子昌意、颛顼、骆明、崇白马的后代，接近10%的中国人都是夏人O1，主要是大禹的后代O1a－M119，接近人口普查抽样统计结果。南方人、台湾汉族超过15%。台湾原来住民超过89%。

约1.2亿中国人，其中少康４子季杼的后代，约3000万，2.5%，其中匈奴的后代，包括成吉思汗的后代，约160１万，包括成吉思汗的后代努尔哈赤的后代几十万。曹操家族、夏侯氏等都是季杼的后代。

晋人（明人），黄帝长子昌意、颛顼、卷章、回、陆终、司马懿、穷蝉、舜、朱元章的后代，O2约8%的中国人，其中Ｏ２a超过6%。

苗人，炎帝的后代，约7%的中国人Ｉ、Ｊ、Ｋ、Ｌ、Ｍ、Ｓ、Ｔ，其中，花苗超过38。草苗约8%，云南红河苗族约14%，贵州凯里苗族约28%。苗族中炎帝的后代总人口100多万，汉族中炎帝的后代姜姓谢、吕、许等200多氏约700万。人口普查抽样统计约6%。

非炎黄子孙，Ｃ、Ｄ、Ｅ，主要是古代帝王、大臣、诸侯的后代，约3%的中国人，接近人口普查抽样统计结果。

从该文提供的数据，可以看出有以下几个「事实」:

1. 中国人主要是来自黄帝的后裔;

2. 其次是来自炎帝的后裔;

3. 再其次是来自古代帝王、大臣、诸侯的后代;

4. 不论汉人或兄弟民族，体内都有黄帝后人的DNA，说明长期存在民族融合，方式可能是通过通婚或其他不自愿的方式产生后代;

5. 中国人是黄帝和炎帝后人为主体。

 

[Rogue Trader]

Duh! of course they are not Han chinese lah..

The Han dynasty was set up by Liu bei's descendants. In fact, all the Han emperors have the surname Liu.

That's also why in the ROT3K, Liu bei is hailed as a hero and Cao cao is the villain.

 

[Whats4]

Duh! of course they are not Han chinese lah..

The Han dynasty was set up by Liu bei's descendants. In fact, all the Han emperors have the surname Liu.

That's also why in the ROT3K, Liu bei is hailed as a hero and Cao cao is the villain.

y do the chinese now consider themselves as han? they consider han as the greatest dynasty in china history?

 

[Rogue Trader]

y do the chinese now consider themselves as han? they consider han as the greatest dynasty in china history?

Yeah I think so. Actually the Tang dynasty is considered the golden age of ancient chinese history. The Han dynasty was also a prosperous era but it was earlier (200bc) and lasted longer (400 years).

 

[vamjok]

we also call ourself tang ren what (seldom hear in mandarin, but in hokkien min nan, we often use this term)

chinatown around the world is known as tang ren jie, din't you realised?

 

[Fook Seng]

Duh! of course they are not Han chinese lah..

The Han dynasty was set up by Liu bei's descendants. In fact, all the Han emperors have the surname Liu.

That's also why in the ROT3K, Liu bei is hailed as a hero and Cao cao is the villain.

This is definitely wrong. Liu Bei was a descendant of the Han Dynasty which had already gone bust, not the other way round. He was not able to revive the empIre. The 3 kingdoms struggled with each other for a few generations.

 

[zhihau]

This is definitely wrong.

simply amazing how the bastardisation of history in games can result in such misconception, isn't it? :o:o:o
Liu Bei was claimed as one of the uncle to the Emperor where Cao Cao was just a Premier, but me respect the latter more as he is well versed in the art of war, good at poetry, ie 文武双全。unlike the wimpy Liu Bei, bo dai bo chi would lift up AhDou and threaten to slam him on the ground, only thing admirable would be his ability to draw able men to himself.

 

[Ramseth]

There's no such thing as an ancestrally racial Han race. The word Han was used just about 2,000 years ago whereas the foundation of China was about 5,000 years ago and the culturally formative years were about 3 to 4,000 years ago. From Huangdi and Yandi, China was defined by land, not by race. Land between Yellow River and Yangtze River was China and people living in it were Chinese. The word China or Chinese was coined retrospectively for Qin (Chin) dynasty in recognition that it united China as an empire nation. However it lasted too short and was too brutal during its reign to leave favorable impact on later Chinese who prefer to call themselves Han or Tang. Han had more than 400 years of reign, Tang also had more than 400 years of reign, as one united country China. Zhou had more than 800 years of reign but it practised feudal states system that degenerated into warring states.

The definitive geographical words for China are Zhongyuan (central plains between Yellow and Yangtze rivers) and Jiangnan (south of Yangtze). The Jiangnan areas were more fertile, arable and contested and had always been contested by force or coercion. It was only finally confirmed Chinese without dispute by the Tang dynasty era. That's why southerners refer to themselves as Tang ren. The northern plains and western highlands were unwanted and were places to chase unwanted tribes and fugitives from warring states or losing tribes to. Those evolved into Qiangs, Huns, Khitans, Mongolians and Manchurians.

Ever wonder how Manchurians magically could speak, read and write Chinese overnight that after they overran the central plains and the south, Chinese accept them as Chinese? It wasn't overnight. They knew how to all along. They were mostly descendants of Zhao state fugitives and refugees, intermarried with northern nomads. They kept all the Zhou and Confucian classics despite learning a new language that they needed to survive and be assimilated in a new land.

 

[Rogue Trader]

This is definitely wrong. Liu Bei was a descendant of the Han Dynasty which had already gone bust, not the other way round. He was not able to revive the empIre. The 3 kingdoms struggled with each other for a few generations.

Ah yes.. I stand corrected. But the ROT3K was definitely written by Liu's descendants.

 

[jiakhongleow]

The word China was invented by the West looking for Chinese porcelians.

 

[Ramseth]

Ah yes.. I stand corrected. But the ROT3K was definitely written by Liu's descendants.

Chronicles Of Three Kingdoms was written by Chen Shou. Romance Of Three Kingdoms was written by Luo Guanzhong. None of them descendants of Liu Bei.

The word China was invented by the West looking for Chinese porcelians.

The name China was coined for China as a country. The word china was used for Chinese porcelain to distinguish it from western porcelain.

 

[Conqueror]

Han Was A Bankrupt

This is definitely wrong. Liu Bei was a descendant of the Han Dynasty which had already gone bust, not the other way round. He was not able to revive the empIre. The 3 kingdoms struggled with each other for a few generations.

So, like other dynasties before Han, it also went belly up and sank into oblivion. My first part of the thread was the cordial relationship between Cao Cao and XiaHou Dun. They were of the same forefather 季杼 who happened to be 成吉思汗 Genghis Khan and Nurhaci's (Ching dynasty) forefather too ! Certainly, it was a barbaric relationship !

Was 司马懿 Sima Yi any better ? I don't know. But, it was said that 商汤 Shang who had displaced Xia which made Xia people to flee into the northern desert to become Xiong Nu. But, I still think that our first Chinese writing is from Shang and not Xia or the Hmong.

 

[Conqueror]

Chronicles Of Three Kingdoms was written by Chen Shou. Romance Of Three Kingdoms was written by Luo Guanzhong. None of them descendants of Liu Bei.

The name China was coined for China as a country. The word china was used for Chinese porcelain to distinguish it from western porcelain.

Han is actually Han dynasty. But, does that mean you must be able to Hakka or Cantonese to qualify to be one ? We are Tang people because we can from the 中原 Central Plain and hence the word 中国 the Middle Kingdom or China. China was Qin. But, the west people (not sure whether they were Arab traders) called them Cheena just like the English word Bus becomes 巴士 Ba Shi in Mandarin or STOPu in Japanese ?

 

[Conqueror]

豫州 Yuzhou

There's no such thing as an ancestrally racial Han race. The word Han was used just about 2,000 years ago whereas the foundation of China was about 5,000 years ago ...

The definitive geographical words for China are Zhongyuan (central plains between Yellow and Yangtze rivers) and Jiangnan (south of Yangtze). The Jiangnan areas were more fertile, arable and contested and had always been contested by force or coercion. It was only finally confirmed Chinese without dispute by the Tang dynasty era. That's why southerners refer to themselves as Tang ren. The northern plains and western highlands were unwanted and were places to chase unwanted tribes and fugitives from warring states or losing tribes to. Those evolved into Qiangs, Huns, Khitans, Mongolians and Manchurians.

Zhongyuan or the Central Plain of China (Chinese: 中原; pinyin: Zhōngyuán) refers to the area on the lower reaches of the Yellow River which formed the cradle of Chinese civilization. It forms part of the North China Plain.

In its narrowest sense, the Central Plain covers modern-day Henan, the southern part of Hebei, the southern part of Shanxi, and the western part of Shandong province. A broader interpretation of the Central Plain's extent would add the Guanzhong plain of Shaanxi, the northwestern part of Jiangsu, and parts of Anhui and northern Hebei.

Since the beginning of recorded history, the Central Plain has been an important site for Chinese civilization.

In the pre-Qin era, present-day Luoyang and its nearby areas were considered the “Center of the World”, as the political seat of the Xia Dynasty was located around Songshan and the Yi-Luo river basin.

I will say it is still safe to say it's actually Henan.

 

[Ramseth]

Re: Han Was A Bankrupt

Was 司马懿 Sima Yi any better ? I don't know. But, it was said that 商汤 Shang who had displaced Xia which made Xia people to flee into the northern desert to become Xiong Nu. But, I still think that our first Chinese writing is from Shang and not Xia or the Hmong.

Changjie characters originated from Huangdi era, not Xia or Shang. However, it began as symbols, just like our north, south, east, west, day or night, turn left or right or no entry symbols. It's correct that it became a full fledged set of characters to represent the spoken language by Shang era, then from language to literature by Zhou era.

 

[Rogue Trader]

Chronicles Of Three Kingdoms was written by Chen Shou. Romance Of Three Kingdoms was written by Luo Guanzhong. None of them descendants of Liu Bei.

What are you talking about? Chen's mother was a royalty called Liu Jia ling. Luo's maternal grandfather is general Liu Dehua.

 

[Fook Seng]

What are you talking about? Chen's mother was a royalty called Liu Jia ling. Luo's maternal grandfather is general Liu Dehua.

But most important is the script writer. Who is the script writer?

 

[Conqueror]

A Nonsensical Drama

But most important is the script writer. Who is the script writer?

I think you all should watch this ...


[video=youtube;kUfYaN8kSnw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfYaN8kSnw&feature=related[/video]


A drama that had been mixed and jumbled to please viewers of seeing everything of the entire history of China in just one drama show. This is a ridiculous show but entertaining.

I woke up one morning and I caught this on my DVD recorder ...


[video=youtube;ysmWKTpoblc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmWKTpoblc[/video]


So, this is called "The Happy Trio". I'm choosy about keeping the right drama series on my disc. Can I store my dramas in removable HDDs instead ? Is there a way ? I'm going to phase out my tape recorder soon. Is there a practical use for a tape recorder whereas a DVD one cannot ?