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For those who argue that the ISA should be retained because of the extant threat of terrorism, Dr Wong's final sentence says it all.

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Back To The Past

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By Dr Wong Wee Nam
12 October 2011

It seemed so promising. The big guns in the PAP started some instant soul-searching soon after the May general election, became very apologetic and talked about reform. A number of them even stepped down and made way for the new.
It seemed like an injection of freshness into the political air. But it now appears to be a bit of premature to hope for any drastic change. Just when we thought that we were moving from the third world to the first, the events of recent weeks brought this dream crashing down.

I looked at Burma and its political development. By slowly accommodating Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and releasing of thousands of detainees, the government there appears to be making a big leap forward. By their standard, it is a great leap forward. They are trying to move from the 50s to the 21st century. On the other hand, in the recent debate on the Internal Security Act, the ruling party has shown that it is still stuck in the 80s. The old times were relived and the arguments revisited as the Ministry of Home Affairs tries to justify the retention and the use of the Internal Security Act.

The interest in this subject was sparked off by Prime Minister Najib Razak of Malaysia when he recently promised his people that he would revoke the ISA in his country. Whatever his reason for wanting to do away with the Act, it is a move long overdue. This is because the ISA has been misused against political opponents and has become a symbol of political oppression.

Sometime ago, Singapore has said it would do the same as long as Malaysia does it. There now appears to be a change of heart on our side and the reason given is just a refrain that had already been sung in the past.

The ISA is a very blunt instrument. It is claimed to have been used sparingly but that is not a good reason to retain it. No hardcore terrorist is going to be deterred by it. It only terrifies the ordinary people and turns them into apathetic citizens. Rather than having a law that could be used against anybody and misused by those in power, it should be replaced with clear and unambiguous laws against terrorists.

It has also been argued that in such security cases, we need to guarantee the security of informants, agents and spies so as not to jeopardize future operations. Thus we should not bring such cases to court. Unfortunately it is flawed reasoning. This problem can easily be dealt with by having court hearings in camera. Moreover, since current legislation allows a detainee to be jailed indefinitely, such a law could easily be misused. Justice cannot be seen to have been done by refusing detainees a fair trial.

Furthermore, it is the rule of justice that the credibility and admissibility of evidence from whatever witnesses must be tested by cross-examination in the court of law. After all, informants, agents and spies are not perfect and infallible human beings.
On 21st May 1987, over 20 young people were arrested under the ISA in an operation known as Operation Spectrum. These people were alleged to have been involved in a Marxist Conspiracy. How they came to be Marxists was not explained. The Marxist organizations they belonged to were not named. How they plotted and conspired and their eventual aims were not revealed. The official statement was couched in such generic terms that I had to remain a skeptic and suspend my judgment.

A member of parliament invited me for lunch and he tried to convince me that the conspiracy was real. I asked him to give me the evidence and he could produce none.

To me the arrest and its reasons did not sound real or logical and I had my reservation. First of all, if it was a Marxist conspiracy, then there must be a Marxist organization behind it. This organization must also be big enough to be a threat. No such organization was named. It cannot be the Malayan Communist Party because they were not interested in Singapore without Malaya. Furthermore, at that point of time, the MCP was having its own internal ideological differences and was certainly not in a position to back anything.

I told this to a minister who had asked my opinion on the arrest.

To me, reading only the open official version, I can only conclude those arrested were only do-gooders or some kind of social activists.

In May 2010, I bought and read Teo Soh Lung’s book on her detention entitled Beyond The Blue Gate. I wanted to see if she was such a national security threat as she was made out to be and had to be put away without trial. There was nothing in the book to suggest that she deserved to be put away. That was the impression I got. Of course, Soh Lung could have been biased and refrained from revealing anything in her book that might incriminate her, but so far the Ministry of Home Affairs has not come out with evidence to rebut her. Until they do, I shall remain unconvinced that she deserved to be put away.

Her personality that I had gleaned from the book matches the real person I got to know later — a quiet, unassuming, soft-spoken, non-aggressive and shy person. She has a heart for the poor but certainly do not seem to possess the obstinate drive to conspire and overthrow the existing order.

As things stand, I agree with Mr Walter Woon, the former attorney-general that “the Government’s case is still not proven”.

It is sad that in this age and at our state of development that we still have the ISA. Though the act only allows for the detention without trial, it appears from books and speeches from ex-political detainees that they were subjected to cold treatment, solitary confinement and psychological pressures. It is totally unnecessary and regrettable that such treatments were meted out to active citizens who did not preach violence. This is why ISA can be such a cruel and intimidating instrument.

For these reasons, the Act should be replaced by one that is specifically used against terrorism.
 
Same guy who wrote an article supporting Tan Kin Lian for PE and ended up working for and endorsing Tan Jee Say. This guy contested elections, run around opposition circles, always writing articles, invited by PAP MPs for their views etc but does not register on anyone radar. Any reason why so inconsequential despite all these efforts? Fuel consumption of a Tank while he rides a Honda cub. While a nice guy, he seemed not to know how to do things. The last time he wrote about personally knowing all the PE candidates and now MP trying to convince him about Marxist Conspiracy.
 
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Same guy who wrote an article supporting Tan Kin Lian for PE and ended up working for and endorsing Tan Jee Say. This guy contested elections, run around opposition circles, always writing articles, invited by PAP MPs for their views etc but does not register on anyone radar. Any reason why so inconsequential despite all these efforts? Fuel consumption of a Tank while he rides a Honda cub. While a nice guy, he seemed not to know how to do things. The last time he wrote about personally knowing all the PE candidates and now MP trying to convince him about Marxist Conspiracy.

The message, not the messenger. He seems to be one to keep a low profile, hence the poor 'consumption'.
 
Same guy who wrote an article supporting Tan Kin Lian for PE and ended up working for and endorsing Tan Jee Say. This guy contested elections, run around opposition circles, always writing articles, invited by PAP MPs for their views etc but does not register on anyone radar. Any reason why so inconsequential despite all these efforts? Fuel consumption of a Tank while he rides a Honda cub. While a nice guy, he seemed not to know how to do things. The last time he wrote about personally knowing all the PE candidates and now MP trying to convince him about Marxist Conspiracy.

Yes why should I convince him that the ISA is good? Who is he?
 
He contest elections and he is writing articles and he wants to keep a low profile? Does not make sense. More like firing blanks. There is nothing in the message that is new. If he told us which MP spoke to him, that might be of gossip value.
The message, not the messenger. He seems to be one to keep a low profile, hence the poor 'consumption'.
 
He contest elections and he is writing articles and he wants to keep a low profile? Does not make sense. More like firing blanks. There is nothing in the message that is new. If he told us which MP spoke to him, that might be of gossip value.

Hi scroobal, Dr Wong is expressing his stand on the ISA. Like many here, he is just not convinced that ISA was used sparingly in Operation Spectrum. Do you have anything against this?

Let's hear your views for or against the ISA. I am not interested to know whether he met this or that person, or how big profile he is. If you have nothing to share, keep the thoughts to yourself.
 
Bro, have you read his articles over the years. He comes from RI, did Medicine and is a practising doctor. Just based on that there is an expectation of some level of base standard. Base standard means quality in content, some punch in delivery and the ability to articulate well. As he is an opposition identity, naturally the issues have to be addressed in a much more forceful manner, clinical even ( pun intended just to include a shred of humour on a very dry subject). Big fat zero after all these years.

In contrast, have you read Ng Kok Lim's article which are scathing, rich with quality content and address the issue. Remember the academic that tried to take him on?

Imagine that you have a daughter who wants to be a concert pianist but she is tone deaf. What would you do? Tell her to perform on a National Day or be honest to her?

If you want to take on PAP, you bring along heavy weaponry. Not turn up, drop your pants and hope to scare them. Honestly someone should tell him.

Hi scroobal, Dr Wong is expressing his stand on the ISA. Like many here, he is just not convinced that ISA was used sparingly in Operation Spectrum. Do you have anything against this?Let's hear your views for or against the ISA. I am not interested to know whether he met this or that person, or how big profile he is. If you have nothing to share, keep the thoughts to yourself.
 
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When a person expresses his views, I look at the article first. Does he make sense? Or is it nonsense.

I am reminded of an old man who regularly shares his view points. Do I dismiss him altogether just bcos of his crooked views as before? No. I try and make some sense of it first. It's only after reading and finding it nonsensical that I dismissed the old man as incorrigible. Old man has not changed and is still spewing nonsense to this day! But I still give the king clown a chance. Likewise his clownish son. I read and wave it off with a smile.

Is Dr Wong like this old clown? He may have made mistakes in the past. Do not let his past writings negate whatever he has to say now.
 
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We should just drop ISA and replace it with another different set of law. Let's see what Malaysia is going to come up with.
 
He contest elections and he is writing articles and he wants to keep a low profile? Does not make sense. More like firing blanks. There is nothing in the message that is new. If he told us which MP spoke to him, that might be of gossip value.


He contest elections and he is writing articles and he wants to keep a low profile? Does not make sense. More like firing blanks. There is nothing in the message that is new. If he told us which MP spoke to him, that might be of gossip value.

Whether it makes sense or not doesn't concern me. I was just stating my impression of him as someone who voices his opinions with conviction, without taking centre stage. His tone may not be as strident as you'd like, but that's his style.

Actually, all this misses the point. Ultimately, what's important is what he says - the content. If you judge the message by the presumed status, beliefs or background of the writer, you'd be committing an ad hominem fallacy.

As for your contention 'there is nothing in the message that is new', well, what more can one add when it has been repeated ad nauseam that the ISA is a blunt tool that was used by the old dog to eliminate dissent and political opponents? Do we keep quiet and not fight for a measure of justice and recompense just because almost everything about it has been said before?

At the very least when people who know the detainees or are privy to some lowdown speak up, it tends to corroborate the prevalent belief that the ISA has been abused for political ends. One such collaborative piece of evidence is found in Theresa Eu-Chooi's book, Father of Charity and My Father — Ee Peng Liang, pg. 49:

'In Singapore, liberation theology caught the imagination of some priests who articulated its principles without taking into consideration the socio-political and religious context of Singapore. The involvement of certain priests in provocative articles which were published in Catholic News caught the attention of the Singapore Special Branch whose job was to monitor political trends. In July 1986, the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Home Affairs became quite concerned and met with Archbishop Gregory Yong with the request "to put his house in order". Church publications were taking sides on political issues, he said and that was unacceptable. The then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew was kept posted and when the publications and articles did not abate, Mr Lee took the opportunity of the Pope's visit in November of the same year to inform the Holy Father of the position of the Singapore government.

'"Your holiness", Mr Lee told the Pope, "the Catholic church has done good work in Singapore and we want it to continue to do good work. We are grateful for all the good work that has been done." Mr Lee then continued, "I was especially grateful that when we had to fight the communists, the Catholic church was the stoutest of the stalwards against communist subversion, running their schools with discipline. The only Chinese school where the communists could not take over was the Catholic High School, hence I chose to send my son to the Catholic high school.

'"But your Holiness, there are some strange goings on in the church now. Some para church workers and some priests are conducting themselves and acting as if I was President Marcos and the government of Singapore has to be worked against, undermined and knocked down," protested the Prime Minister."

'Those words of the Prime Minister reflected what the government thought of the whole saga. It was indeed strange to compare President Marcos with mr Lee Kuan Yew whose government was and still is working towards an economically independent state that is strong enough to sustain the "good life" for the people of Singapore. With hindsight, could there have been a real dialogue between the Church leaders and the government at that point? Could things have been amicably worked out before greater misunderstanding developed? Dad thought so...'


Note: no mention whatsoever of 'Marxism' by the old dog.
 
We should just drop ISA and replace it with another different set of law. Let's see what Malaysia is going to come up with.

Well said. Most Western countries have already enacted specific legislation against terrorism, especially in the wake of 9/11.
 
HellAngel said:
We should just drop ISA and replace it with another different set of law. Let's see what Malaysia is going to come up with.

Yes. Watch Malaysia and follow their example. Many people will be shifting uncomfortably in the seats of their pants.
 
Yes. Watch Malaysia and follow their example. Many people will be shifting uncomfortably in the seats of their pants.

Follow their example? Great idea. PAPies will be arresting LTK soon for sodomy.

If one day we need to follow Malaysia, our end is near.
 
'"But your Holiness, there are some strange goings on in the church now. Some para church workers and some priests are conducting themselves and acting as if I was President Marcos and the government of Singapore has to be worked against, undermined and knocked down," protested the Prime Minister."

'Those words of the Prime Minister reflected what the government thought of the whole saga. It was indeed strange to compare President Marcos with mr Lee Kuan Yew whose government was and still is working towards an economically independent state that is strong enough to sustain the "good life" for the people of Singapore. With hindsight, could there have been a real dialogue between the Church leaders and the government at that point? Could things have been amicably worked out before greater misunderstanding developed? Dad thought so...'[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Note: no mention whatsoever of 'Marxism' by the old dog.

Bro yellowarse, thanks for posting this.

The gahmen's position is becoming more and more indefensible and exposed.
 
yellowarse said:
Follow Malaysia, a 3rd World nation? Why not follow Britain instead?

It depends who makes the change first. If Malaysia first, we follow Malaysia. If they are 3rd World, we will be 4th World.
 
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