WP's Managing Agent's issue

[yellowarse]

Yes, yes. Because our past experience has shown us that the PAP government has been absolutely impartial when it comes to HDB upgrading works and developing transport lines to opposition wards compared to PAP wards.

Then start voting in more opposition MPs to debate about the politicization of our government institutions, free and fair elections, the dismantling of the grotesque GRC system, the use of state funds for partisan grassroots activities, and the right to air our grievances without fear of lawsuits or arbitrary ISA arrests.

Start by denying the Pappies a 2/3 majority in Parliament come 2016.

 

[wwabbit]

Maybe getting the people over from Potong Pasir might have been an option.

Most of the people that worked at CST's TC were absorbed into the MA that runs the PAP's TC for Potong Pasir

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Dear Scroobal,

No axe to grind here. It is just pure logic.

The Litmus test: If you own the company, you won't want to do stupid things like giving overpriced contract to a company (which is an empty shell without backbone staff) owned by your own GM to do his job (he gets paid as employee as well as earning profit from his company) but won't mind giving out such contract when the company is funded by public funds, then there lies the question of Ethical morals. It may not be illegal but it is ethically immoral, just like AIM.

There is absolutely no necessity for WP to give contract to FMSS when they have a team MORE than FMSS to take over the running of AHTC from HGTC. HGTC has both the expertise (the very same directors of FMSS employed by HGTC) as well as a whole team of staffs ready. This is what WP Sylvia Lim has tried to avoid answering. Worse, after giving the MA contract to FMSS, the AHTC continues to employ the couple cum directors of FMSS under AHTC payroll!

If you own such company, would you do such stupid thing? If not, why would WP do such thing when TC is funded by public money?

Goh Meng Seng

Now you are grinding your axe.

Most of us agree including you that MA should be HDB or appointed by MA.

WP is in a difficult position and at a clear disadvantage. Taking on a GRC is a huge step forward and intention is to do a great job while looking all the time over their shoulder hoping that no sabotage takes place. Its natural that they appoint a reliable and trustworthy partner. They are also trailblazers for the opposition. We know that their momentum is puling others along.

It now requires some strong action from WP so that they don't fall into PAP's trap or march to their tune.

Hopefully WP takes home some lessons from this episode. They have to be whiter than the PAP.

 

[DEDEER]

Breakdown of Tan Kin Lian's 5% Presidential Election vote :

1) Party Branding : 1 %
2) Ground Work he did : 2%
3) His personality and charisma : 0%
4) Quality of competitors : -1%
5) TKL Policies : 2%
6) Local Ground Issues : 1%
7) Protest votes against PAP : 3%
8) Sympathy votes for TKL : 2%
9) Votes gained/lost because of association with Goh Meng Seng branding : -5%

Overall results : 5%

Conclusion : TKL would have still lost his deposit but he will not look like an utter moron if he did not use Goh Meng Seng as his PE advisor.

Goh Meng Seng,

No axe to grind here. Just showing you simple logic : if you are so good in political analysing as you claim you would be able to at least save TKL from his humiliation.

Logic right

 

[metalmickey]

Most of the people that worked at CST's TC were absorbed into the MA that runs the PAP's TC for Potong Pasir

Well maybe those people should just grow a pair, and hop over to the - wait for it - Aljunied - Hougang - Punggol East - town council. Or they could start applying for positions shortly before the 2016 elections.

 

[metalmickey]

Then start voting in more opposition MPs to debate about the politicization of our government institutions, free and fair elections, the dismantling of the grotesque GRC system, the use of state funds for partisan grassroots activities, and the right to air our grievances without fear of lawsuits or arbitrary ISA arrests.

Start by denying the Pappies a 2/3 majority in Parliament come 2016.

You've mentioned a long list of things. I don't actually know the answer to this but - how many of these things can only be changed with a 2/3 majority? The GRC system in Singapore can probably be unpopular. I don't know how unpopular the town councils are. In fact, that would be an interesting thought experiment. Suppose a referendum were to be called on all these issues - how many of these institutions would actually get struck down? My intuition tells me not all of them.

If you deny the PAP a 2/3 majority, you will deny the PAP the ability to further fuck up the system. But it doesn't mean that anybody has the power to unfuck the system.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

You have learned well from WP samma samma PAP of diversion tactic! Well done!

Goh Meng Seng

Goh Meng Seng,

No axe to grind here. Just showing you simple logic : if you are so good in political analysing as you claim you would be able to at least save TKL from his humiliation.

Logic right

 

[yellowarse]

If you deny the PAP a 2/3 majority, you will deny the PAP the ability to further fuck up the system. But it doesn't mean that anybody has the power to unfuck the system.

GE2016 - deny 2/3 majority, limit PAP fuck-ups
GE2021 - opposition coalition government, reverse fuck-ups

Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[DEDEER]

You have learned well from WP samma samma PAP of diversion tactic! Well done!

Goh Meng Seng

Not as good as you, the PAP agent.

Quiet as a church mouse during AIMgate and Palmergate when PAP was under fire. Now just couldn't shut your gap hor

 

[tanwahp]

No axe to grind here. It is just pure logic.

There is absolutely no necessity for WP to give contract to FMSS when they have a team MORE than FMSS to take over the running of AHTC from HGTC. HGTC has both the expertise (the very same directors of FMSS employed by HGTC) as well as a whole team of staffs ready. This is what WP Sylvia Lim has tried to avoid answering.

How can it be logic to say that HGTC has enough staff to take over AHTC when HGTC was managing one constituency and AHTC is taking on 5 constituencies. That will mean HGTC was previously overstaffed, which is a serious issue.

It was revealed by AHTC after the GE that HGTC had 22 staff and AHTC had 70 to 80 staff soon after the GE.

 

[yellowarse]

You've mentioned a long list of things. I don't actually know the answer to this but - how many of these things can only be changed with a 2/3 majority?

Actually even with 1/3 of parliament, pressure can already be put on the government. Debates can be held, bills tabled, protest rallies staged, and even referenda called. Even if they're all shot down, there would be enough awareness and publicity generated among the people to put the ruling party on the back foot.

Any party that has lost 1/3 of its seats would have to recalibrate its strategies and start listening to the ground if it were to avoid losing power in the next election.

 

[tanwahp]

Most of the people that worked at CST's TC were absorbed into the MA that runs the PAP's TC for Potong Pasir

Not most. Sitoh said only 2 or 3 were hired and another 1 or 2 went to another TC.

There should be at least 15 staff in the PPTC, not sure what happened to the rest. Maybe they joined FMSS?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

WP has declared it will walk its own path. We should not have any delusions that it will form any coalition government with any other opposition parties... may be it will instead form coalition government with PAP as Pritam has said.

Goh Meng Seng

Actually even with 1/3 of parliament, pressure can already be put on the government. Debates can be held, bills tabled, protest rallies staged, and even referenda called. Even if they're all shot down, there would be enough awareness and publicity generated among the people to put the ruling party on the back foot.

Any party that has lost 1/3 of its seats would have to recalibrate its strategies and start listening to the ground if it were to avoid losing power in the next election.

 

[metalmickey]

Actually even with 1/3 of parliament, pressure can already be put on the government. Debates can be held, bills tabled, protest rallies staged, and even referenda called. Even if they're all shot down, there would be enough awareness and publicity generated among the people to put the ruling party on the back foot.

Any party that has lost 1/3 of its seats would have to recalibrate its strategies and start listening to the ground if it were to avoid losing power in the next election.

Let's wait for the day that gun control is passed in the US. Then I might start to consider what you just said. We see all the time how things work in democratic countries, where all parties have lost 1/3 seats. It isn't very pretty.

 

[SgParent]

I thought he was supposed to rejoin WP?

You've just affected my afternoon nap. How can I sleep peacefully now?

 

[scroobal]

Fully agree.

Actually even with 1/3 of parliament, pressure can already be put on the government. Debates can be held, bills tabled, protest rallies staged, and even referenda called. Even if they're all shot down, there would be enough awareness and publicity generated among the people to put the ruling party on the back foot.

Any party that has lost 1/3 of its seats would have to recalibrate its strategies and start listening to the ground if it were to avoid losing power in the next election.

 

[scroobal]

I recall Lina Chiam was seeking assurances for the staff from the PAP the night they lost PP. She again raised this a month later I think. It is one of the most difficult things as nearly all PAP TC staff are heavily politicised. Its survival.

Not most. Sitoh said only 2 or 3 were hired and another 1 or 2 went to another TC.

There should be at least 15 staff in the PPTC, not sure what happened to the rest. Maybe they joined FMSS?

 

[tanwahp]

Direct hire save money. Even if you tender for MA, no guarantee there will be fair play. TC can still employ the one with higher quotes.

In that case you should say that you're against the tender system and the outsourcing system which are common features around the world. Many companies outsource their IT to specialists. This case you seem to be opposing WP and FMSS when they are doing something that is not out of the blue. Managing agents are a form of outsourcing.

The outsource concept began as a concept to save costs. To date, most management experts agree that it does save costs but a minority do not. Your view that direct hire saves money is not an exceptional view, but it is not the universal truth either.

That's a fact. That is why, the TC system run by the MPs should be scrapped. QED

I agree with you on this, though our reasons and details may not be the same.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Nothing of that sort.

If you do not have the expertise to run the TC, by all means, go for outsourcing and tender... But in this case, first, there wasn't any tender procedure for the first year, secondly, HGTC has already had the expertise to run the TC, third, in spite of that, they gave contract to their own GM and husband's newly form company to run the TC, last but not least, that new company didn't even have backbone staffs to start with but made use of HGTC core staff... so the fundamental question is, why should such contract be awarded in the first place?

Goh Meng Seng

In that case you should say that you're against the tender system and the outsourcing system which are common features around the world. Many companies outsource their IT to specialists. This case you seem to be opposing WP and FMSS when they are doing something that is not out of the blue. Managing agents are a form of outsourcing.

The outsource concept began as a concept to save costs. To date, most management experts agree that it does save costs but a minority do not. Your view that direct hire saves money is not an exceptional view, but it is not the universal truth either.



I agree with you on this, though our reasons and details may not be the same.

 

[scroobal]

1. One isa GRC and the other is an SMC - 2 different set of dynamics. You cannot expect HG staff to run a GRC
2. It is not a $2 company unlike AIM. Its 250,000 more of hard cash.
3. Wee Cho Yaw has the largest stake in UOB and he also works in it and therefore he draws a salary as well as receives dividends. These are 2 different roles.
4. They are required by contract to carry out their services. Unlike AIM, which does nothing except sign letter with no names.

If you are keen to help Singapore and Singaporeans, you need to identify which important issue you need to address. IN this case PAP or WP? Which to you is a bigger issue.

Dear Scroobal,

No axe to grind here. It is just pure logic.

Goh Meng Seng