WP opposes Population White Paper, says its chairman Sylvia Lim

[Vigilante]

oppose also no use...when come to voting also lose one lah..pap will bulldoze thru

 

[Fook Seng]

Very Good Points . So Please Provide Some Solutions

Above was one. As Govt's new flat prices set the benchmark for others to latch on to, control that first. Don't say we cannot control that. It is all within the Govt's power and decision. And don't mark it to market.

If there is sufficient price gap between new and resold flats and waiting time is not too long, automatically citizens will go for new flats rather than resold flats. For resold flats too, there should be rules to strongly differentiate between citizens and PRs.

To cut down on waiting time, bring back ready built flats and less BTOs. This will also encourage early start of family, with positive impact on TFR.

I have a funny feeling that all these problems with TFR have something to do with family unfriendly policies - BTOs, maid levies, competition at work from FTs, resulting in long working hours. Cutting down on all these will have positive impact on TFR.

You must have noticed that basically in the measures above, we are just talking about a simple rewinding of past bad policies and not inventing any new thing.

 

[Fook Seng]

The key objectives of a population policy should be:

1) To have an increasing real GDP per capita (not total GDP)
2) To have lower income inequality so that the lower end can be lifted away from subsistence level without having to depend on handouts
3) The quality of life should improve, not deteriorate with time e.g. larger personal space and living space, not smaller; lesser congestion, not greater; shorter queues; fresher air; abundance of water and electricity; more family time; lower stress at work and during commute.

Others may add on to the list. Once we set our objectives clearly, the right solutions will fall into place. If total GDP is the objective, I am sure 6.9 million is only the starting point because the higher the population, the higher will be the GDP but most likely none of the above objectives can be achieved.

 

[watchman8]

Singapore is already 5.4 or 5.5. I would hold it at 5.6 the most

Then economy will be in recession for many years. Pap already released land for 200,000 units of homes for 800,000 new immigrants. Thomson mrt line and down town lines are designed to increase total mrt network capacity to cater for 6 mil people.

WP proposal is basically aimed at maintaining status quo without crashing local economy.

 

[DuYunQi]

I am in awe of bro Fook Seng!
For he has put up good points!
He at least shut up that clown Ki..what de fish is this name anyway?

 

[laksaboy]

Then economy will be in recession for many years. Pap already released land for 200,000 units of homes for 800,000 new immigrants. Thomson mrt line and down town lines are designed to increase total mrt network capacity to cater for 6 mil people.

WP proposal is basically aimed at maintaining status quo without crashing local economy.

The Ponzi economy will crash sooner or later. Better to crash early something that's fundamentally unsustainable and rebuild, than to delay the inevitable.

That little economic gains you obtain will not be worth the social costs incurred. Though you can't quantify social costs, they will be painful.

 

[Fook Seng]

You know what? I actually find merit in some parts of the White Paper, the parts regarding improving the infrastructure. I think they should carry on constructing the extended MRT network and road system as these will help to relieve the congestion even without the increase in population. My only reservation is: do we need to have the network extend to P. Ubin and P. Tekong if we keep these in pristine state for our future generations. Keep these as green lungs of our city. Also the nature reserves, keep those. Just don't tell us: now that we are not growing the population, all these infrastructural work shall stop.

Incidentally, could anyone tell me why the population in the White Paper is 6.9 million, not 5.9 million, not 8 million and not 10 million? Some hard calculated reasons please.

 

[Prometheus888]

The Ponzi economy will crash sooner or later. Better to crash early something that's fundamentally unsustainable and rebuild, than to delay the inevitable.

That little economic gains you obtain will not be worth the social costs incurred. Though you can't quantify social costs, they will be painful.

I agree. I believe the PAP's agenda is not as simple as to perpetuate their iron fisted grip on power. Like what you said and I have repeated as many times, it is to avert the eventual collapse of their property ponzi scheme. Just pray that they are able to unwind this unsustainable positions in an orderly fashion. More sinister is probably the true state of Singapore's finances......

I won't put it past them to cause some severe chaos and bloodshed.....

 

[Prometheus888]

You know what? I actually find merit in some parts of the White Paper, the parts regarding improving the infrastructure. I think they should carry on constructing the extended MRT network and road system as these will help to relieve the congestion even without the increase in population. My only reservation is: do we need to have the network extend to P. Ubin and P. Tekong if we keep these in pristine state for our future generations. Keep these as green lungs of our city. Also the nature reserves, keep those. Just don't tell us: now that we are not growing the population, all these infrastructural work shall stop.

Incidentally, could anyone tell me why the population in the White Paper is 6.9 million, not 5.9 million, not 8 million and not 10 million? Some hard calculated reasons please.

i read somewhere in another thread here that the PAP have already done their calculations knowing that they have lost the youth vote in Singapore. Just ask around anyone 30 and below you will realise that they are either fence sitters or anti-PAP. the bottom line is that they have calculated the numbers ahead of the 2016 elections and used this 6.9 figure as a "long stop target". In actual fact, what they are hoping is to push this past the people of singapore hoping it wont create a (huge) furore, front load their import of new citizens and then call for elections quickly. That way they will continue their hold on power.

Just ask yourself if you are one of these Myanmar, Viets, Thais and what have you (slightly better than) refugee types coming to Singapore. It is a ticket out of hell into paradise and you will inevitably want to vote for the government who can maintain the status quo. Not an Opposition who wants to preserve the rights of its native singaporeans, you will want to bring along your whole family i.e. the Indians bringing their whole village so it really feels like home here in Singapore.

 

[zhihau]

If you ask me, 5.9 million seems about right, giving employers some time (perhaps 3 years) to get use to a slowdown in FT influx without damaging too much of their business and perhaps to try to really improve productivity. At the same time, the main effort should be given to enhancing the infrastructure to remove the congestion that exists in the present environment.

an increase of 700K folks in a span of 17 years looks feasible, birth rate of about 35K a year, makes up about 600K in 17 years. about a 100K of foreigners?

 

[zhihau]

Exactly. That is 17 years down the road. We can expect these new immigrants (1.2 million? 1.5 million?), presumably still in their productive years, would have added 600k new births.

and presumably there are no deaths in the next 17 years, birth rate has to be higher than 35K births a year.

 

[zhihau]

oppose also no use...when come to voting also lose one lah..pap will bulldoze thru

MIW can bulldoze this 6.9 million through. voters can do likewise too.

 

[BuiKia]

5.9m is too much for comfort living and expecting Sinkie to give birth under such situation is near impossible.

One of the main stress in parenting is education of the child. It may sound off but I think birth rate correction should start with MOE. For once, cut all the homework and school make sure children finish all work in school. The parents will feel less stress and maybe can consider having more kids.

If you ask me, 5.9 million seems about right, giving employers some time (perhaps 3 years) to get use to a slowdown in FT influx without damaging too much of their business and perhaps to try to really improve productivity. At the same time, the main effort should be given to enhancing the infrastructure to remove the congestion that exists in the present environment.

Mind you, short of reversing the influx by canceling citizenship or PR already issued (a political minefield actually), the population will naturally increase by this amount of 600k simply from the natural increase of new births from the 1.2 million FT influx in the past decade. If you buy Lucky Tan's argument, 25 years after a baby is born you have a working and fertile adult, minus the decade that the first big boost started, you have another 15 years to go for the first of these babies to reach adulthood (contributing to the economy and to new babies) which bring us roughly to year 2030.

This proposal is equivalent to abandoning the FT import but giving a short 3 years for adjustment and allowing natural growth to take place.

 

[streetsmart73]

Why don't YOU give us your suggestions, instead of asking almost silly questions?
And what business is it of yours about another's family?
Go do a survey and get answers from all, then come back to tell us your findings.
Don't waste our time with your feeble attempts to provide comedy

hi there


1. bro, the resident bitch/cunt is just another mouthpiece of its grand master.
2. stirring things in sbf.
3. without its instructions & cim.
4. the bitch/cunt is hollow & empty
5. every now and then, it also requires a huge shaft to satisfy its urges too:p

 

[zhihau]

I have a funny feeling that all these problems with TFR have something to do with family unfriendly policies - BTOs, maid levies, competition at work from FTs, resulting in long working hours. Cutting down on all these will have positive impact on TFR.

here's a lil' something me wrote about the waning population figures back in 08...
excerpt:
sustainability is the crux

 

[jw5]

here's a lil' something me wrote about the waning population figures back in 08...
excerpt:
sustainability is the crux

and here's a lil' something me wrote quite recently about why they want higher population and their failure to recognise the objectives of government.....................

clue: it's not to help the ordinary folk have better lives..............................

http://singsupplies.com/showthread....ot-About-Your-Future-Grandchild-s-Restauarant

 

[zhihau]

and here's a lil' something me wrote quite recently about why they want higher population and their failure to recognise the objectives of government......

http://singsupplies.com/showthread....ot-About-Your-Future-Grandchild-s-Restauarant

bro,
me got post in that thread, imploring the first generation leeder to let go :o:o:o

 

[wMulew]

Only retarded opposition supporting morons will believe her word. All she did was discount on all the numbers in the white paper. Wayang Party's stupid plan is exactly the same as the PAP one

 

[jw5]

bro,
me got post in that thread, imploring the first generation leeder to let go :o:o:o

me also implored the pap supporting sycophantic porlumpar wannabes to pass on the messages here to their masters, but apparently they never did..............

 

[zhihau]

me also implored the pap supporting sycophantic porlumpar wannabes to pass on the messages here to their masters, but apparently they never did..............

bro,
lace it with good news next time. they hear only the good stuffs :o:o:o