WP Fined $800 for Running CNY Trade Fair Without Permit

[winnipegjets]

The voters of Aljunied GRC were misled by WP. Many of them are now repentant and are crying out for Victor Lye of the PAP to rescue them.

You should join the PAP group exiled to Pulau Sudong when WP forms the next government.

 

[rotiprata]

CCS was our former chief of army. His past credentials would ensure that he would win in any GRC he chooses to stand in. Both ministries are generally doing a good job. So, they both will win in the next GE.

just to refresh your short memory.... CCS was the strategist-in-chief in the recent PE by-election
i predicated a 2-3% win for the WP... at the end of the day... i also felt "pie seh" for him

 

[winnipegjets]

TCJ is very active on FB. He has raised his profile considerably on his own, while most of the opposition have no initiative to maintain their own FB page. They can always use FB to promote their ideas, instead of always whining that the mainstream media is biased.

CCS was our former chief of army. His past credentials would ensure that he would win in any GRC he chooses to stand in. Both ministries are generally doing a good job. So, they both will win in the next GE.

Wah, you really know how to suck up to these useless ex-generals who are sucking us to the tune of $68 million!

 

[TracyTan866]

You should join the PAP group exiled to Pulau Sudong when WP forms the next government.

Good suggestion

 

[TracyTan866]

just to refresh your short memory.... CCS was the strategist-in-chief in the recent PE by-election
i predicated a 2-3% win for the WP... at the end of the day... i also felt "pie seh" for him

hahaha...good retort to PAP IBs who are not educated

 

[TracyTan866]

Wah, you really know how to suck up to these useless ex-generals who are sucking us to the tune of $68 million!

sometimes ignorance like his kills the PAP

 

[JohnTan]

You should join the PAP group exiled to Pulau Sudong when WP forms the next government.

All the more reason to vote for PAP. When PAP formed the government, none of the opposition supporters and candidates were exiled or killed. Some of them have been collecting over $10k p.m. for several years. If a new government plans to purge its rivals after winning elections, then it is every Singaporean's duty to vote wisely to prevent such people from getting voted in.

 

[TracyTan866]

All the more reason to vote for PAP.

Yes, you can vote for whoever you want. This is democracy.

But pap must be gentlemen and accept whoever the residents vote for and not place obstacles in the new MP's path

 

[JohnTan]

Yes, you can vote for whoever you want. This is democracy.

But pap must be gentlemen and accept whoever the residents vote for and not place obstacles in the new MP's path

Even LKY needs to seek approval from his ward's CCC if he wishes to run a trade fair or build improvements for his residents. So, LTK should not think his WP is entitled to special privileges simply because they are the opposition.

 

[tanwahp]

Even LKY needs to seek approval from his ward's CCC if he wishes to run a trade fair or build improvements for his residents. So, LTK should not think his WP is entitled to special privileges simply because they are the opposition.

No I don't think anyone from the opposition expects "special privileges" because they are the opposition. Contrarywise the opposition often gets opportunities to prove that they get less privileges than PAP people and this won't change no matter how low votes PAP is slapped with for doing that, until PAP is out of power.

The PA grassroots is simply the PAP arm in government. No where except in communist countries do you have a stat board that plays a grassroots role. Any application from PAP to PA is just a formality. There is a difference between a family member and one who is not. You would not allow a stranger to enter your house?

Tracy is right. If there had been no AIM, we can see the incompetency of the opposition. Unfortunately, we can't. Ditto for the hawker centre episode. The merchants association made a lot of noise, but we don't see merchants doing the same.

 

[wMulew]

you missed the gist of WP's wisdom.

Let's wait for the final ending to this CNY Trade fair case (NEA/PAP vs WP) and see who will laugh last

U miss common sense

WP want to hold trade fair

Ask NEA if application is needed

NEA said Yes, send them application form

WP submitted application form uncomplete

NEA rejected application due to incomplete application form

WP ignore NEA and continue to hold trade fair anyway

NEA charge WP

WP gets fine.

End of story

Anything said in defense are excuses. If they completed the form and it was rejected that is NEA fault of PAP fixing opposition. Right now the whole issue revolves around WP being TOO STUPID TO COMPLETE AN APPLICATION FORM.

 

[TracyTan866]

Even LKY needs to seek approval from his ward's CCC if he wishes to run a trade fair or build improvements for his residents. So, LTK should not think his WP is entitled to special privileges simply because they are the opposition.

You think at a very low level.

In your mentioned case, why should LKY, a people's representative fully endorsed and voted in by the residents have to get support or approval from a PAP grassroot? Who has more legitimacy to work for the residents. Who should be empowered to work for the residents?

In the CNY Trade Fair saga, why should WP, the elcted people's representative have to get support or approval from a PAP CCC Chairman? Who is the legitimate people's representative and who should be empowered to serve AHPE residents?

I am glad WP has deem it fit to get the Courts to rule on this illegal and warped procedure

 

[TracyTan866]

No I don't think anyone from the opposition expects "special privileges" because they are the opposition. Contrarywise the opposition often gets opportunities to prove that they get less privileges than PAP people and this won't change no matter how low votes PAP is slapped with for doing that, until PAP is out of power.

The PA grassroots is simply the PAP arm in government. No where except in communist countries do you have a stat board that plays a grassroots role. Any application from PAP to PA is just a formality. There is a difference between a family member and one who is not. You would not allow a stranger to enter your house?

Tracy is right. If there had been no AIM, we can see the incompetency of the opposition. Unfortunately, we can't. Ditto for the hawker centre episode. The merchants association made a lot of noise, but we don't see merchants doing the same.

Yes, yes, yes. the pAP IBs are just mouthing what they have been told. PAP IBs lack a mind of their own and cant think logically

 

[TracyTan866]

U miss common sense

WP want to hold trade fair

Ask NEA if application is needed

NEA said Yes, send them application form

WP submitted application form uncomplete

NEA rejected application due to incomplete application form

WP ignore NEA and continue to hold trade fair anyway

NEA charge WP

WP gets fine.

End of story

Anything said in defense are excuses. If they completed the form and it was rejected that is NEA fault of PAP fixing opposition. Right now the whole issue revolves around WP being TOO STUPID TO COMPLETE AN APPLICATION FORM.

That's where you are wrong. Your mind is too simple.

WP is right. If the process and procedure is wrong, just ignore them. Fill up what's right.

NEA staff have no brains to insist that a legitimately elected and endorsed people's representative and MP has to get approval or support from a PAP CCC Chairman to allow him to organise a simple event for his constituents' benefits. Right minded people can see that pap's hand to obstruct WP MPs. But your simple mind is not able to see beyond the words of NEA.

Anyway, no point educating you more. Just be patient and wait for the logical conclusion to this warp pap saga.

 

[JohnTan]

You think at a very low level.

In your mentioned case, why should LKY, a people's representative fully endorsed and voted in by the residents have to get support or approval from a PAP grassroot? Who has more legitimacy to work for the residents. Who should be empowered to work for the residents?

In the CNY Trade Fair saga, why should WP, the elcted people's representative have to get support or approval from a PAP CCC Chairman? Who is the legitimate people's representative and who should be empowered to serve AHPE residents?

I am glad WP has deem it fit to get the Courts to rule on this illegal and warped procedure

The CCC is there to ensure check and balance within the town council. This would reduce possible misuse of government grants to improve the neighbourhood. The town council needs permission from the CCC for the trade fair because the trade fair is a direct competitor for the businesses around the town centre. The CCC has to ensure that the trade fairs do not wreck havoc on the livelihoods of the neighbhourhood shops, who operate all year long and pay rent.

Apparently, there is still a lot of room for improvement for the CCC. They failed to rein in the AHPETC, which ran a healthy town council into the ground. Many of my friends who live in Aljunied are hoping for Victor Lye to come put things right in the next GE.

 

[TracyTan866]

The CCC is there to ensure check and balance within the town council. This would reduce possible misuse of government grants to improve the neighbourhood. The town council needs permission from the CCC for the trade fair because the trade fair is a direct competitor for the businesses around the town centre. The CCC has to ensure that the trade fairs do not wreck havoc on the livelihoods of the neighbhourhood shops, who operate all year long and pay rent.

Apparently, there is still a lot of room for improvement for the CCC. They failed to rein in the AHPETC, which ran a healthy town council into the ground. Many of my friends who live in Aljunied are hoping for Victor Lye to come put things right in the next GE.

The functions of the CCCs are:
1. to promote good citizenship; disseminate information and relay public feedback on government policies and actions;
2. direct and carry out projects and activities at the constituency and national level; and
3. make recommendations on the provision of amenities and facilities in the constituency.

where does it say CCC is to check and balance TC?

Now you know where you are barking up the wrong tree and is such an embarrassment to your master. You ought to be sacked before you do more damage to the pap

 

[JohnTan]

The functions of the CCCs are:
1. to promote good citizenship; disseminate information and relay public feedback on government policies and actions;
2. direct and carry out projects and activities at the constituency and national level; and
3. make recommendations on the provision of amenities and facilities in the constituency.

where does it say CCC is to check and balance TC?

Now you know where you are barking up the wrong tree and is such an embarrassment to your master. You ought to be sacked before you do more damage to the pap

They do serve a role of check and balance. If they think the MP's proposed trade fair is detrimental to the welfare of the ward's shopkeepers, they will withhold permission for it to be held. They also prevent the MP from acting as the feudal lord of the ward, by having a direct role in the projects and activities of the constituency. This would prevent the MP, especially an opposition MP, from carrying out any possible dishonest act of pocketing funds meant for activities and amenities.

 

[TracyTan866]

They do serve a role of check and balance. .

Who gave them that role? You?

 

[tanwahp]

The CCC is there to ensure check and balance within the town council. This would reduce possible misuse of government grants to improve the neighbourhood. The town council needs permission from the CCC for the trade fair because the trade fair is a direct competitor for the businesses around the town centre. The CCC has to ensure that the trade fairs do not wreck havoc on the livelihoods of the neighbhourhood shops, who operate all year long and pay rent.

Apparently, there is still a lot of room for improvement for the CCC. They failed to rein in the AHPETC, which ran a healthy town council into the ground. Many of my friends who live in Aljunied are hoping for Victor Lye to come put things right in the next GE.

You are indirectly saying that PAP shouldn't be in charge of town councils since it would affect the check and balance with CCCs? Surely you can't expect PAP wards to have this check and balance since the head of the PAP TC is the PAP MP and the head of the CCC is also the PAP MP.

If the PAP was really sincere, they would set the PA HQ as the approver or let the application go directly to NEA which can also be the checker on the necessary details.

The problem with the CCC channel is that they are a bunch of volunteers with no liability for being non-partisan.

If the CCC had the power to reign in the WP TC but failed to, all the more we should not vote Victor Lye who can only thrive on the absence of WP. It's like an opposition supporter saying PAP should disappear before the opposition can win.

 

[JohnTan]

You are indirectly saying that PAP shouldn't be in charge of town councils since it would affect the check and balance with CCCs? Surely you can't expect PAP wards to have this check and balance since the head of the PAP TC is the PAP MP and the head of the CCC is also the PAP MP.

If the PAP was really sincere, they would set the PA HQ as the approver or let the application go directly to NEA which can also be the checker on the necessary details.

The problem with the CCC channel is that they are a bunch of volunteers with no liability for being non-partisan.

If the CCC had the power to reign in the WP TC but failed to, all the more we should not vote Victor Lye who can only thrive on the absence of WP. It's like an opposition supporter saying PAP should disappear before the opposition can win.

PAP is upright and honest. They are able of checking themselves. Corrupt ministers within the PAP have been charged in court and brought to justice, save for one who took the easy way out and killed himself.

The CCC is not a single person but a group of people. They are there to serve as a safeguard in the use of government funds within the ward for activities and amenities. The CCC does not have unlimited powers. They too are bound by whatever rules are laid down for them. Due to the constraints on the CCC, they could only stand by helplessly while the WP's incompetence brought the town council to the brink of bankruptcy.

We need to strengthen the CCC in order to check on the elected MP in running of the town council, and not just the common areas or funding for amenities.