WP can topple PAP in next, just need enough candidates....

[brocoli]

... who can get their hands dirty....

the 2 lawyers and the prof need to be more involved with the dirty glassloots work...

heard feedback from some volunteers is that they do not really know these shiny new candidates very well.. not sure if they are meant to be top secret ..

dispensing assistance to lower mortals via MPS doesnt count...

PAP lost because they parachut people down from above ... LL win because she was on the ground for 7 yrs, every1 know her....

IF WP was to follow in PAP footsteps, they will face the same outcome...


in a way JJ was a parachute down from above but he has prove he can get his hand dirty... the other elites need to do the same

 

[wwabbit]

...but that would mean they would have to step into other parties constituency!
Where is the OPPOSITION UNITY????

 

[steffychun]

7 plus two is alot considering that a decade ago this was not even a dream.

 

[glockman]

7 plus two is alot considering that a decade ago this was not even a dream.

I second that. Thats why I mentioned elsewhere in this forum that the past 30 years are no indication of what the next 30 years will be. Exciting times ahead.

 

[steffychun]

I second that. Thats why I mentioned elsewhere in this forum that the past 30 years are no indication of what the next 30 years will be. Exciting times ahead.

Actually it best to have WP to build up their numbers. Then if they are in government many years down the line and if they arent good then voters can try other oppo parties.

 

[glockman]

Actually it best to have WP to build up their numbers. Then if they are in government many years down the line and if they arent good then voters can try other oppo parties.

I am elated the WP won. But I am a little concerned that LTK might not be the right person to lead the WP when their numbers grow. As much as I like him and respect him for what he has done, I am starting to get that queasy feeling that he might be too mild or has too much respect for/fear of the PAP. Is he concerned now that the PAP will no longer be as friendly to him? Is he becoming too successful for his and the PAP's liking? The stage rhetoric and bravado are fine, but is he a mouse behind closed doors? Did the handshake between him and LKY really happen?

In any case, lets just enjoy the sweet PE victory!

 

[steffychun]

I am elated the WP won. But I am a little concerned that LTK might not be the right person to lead the WP when their numbers grow. As much as I like him and respect him for what he has done, I am starting to get that queasy feeling that he might be too mild or has too much respect for/fear of the PAP. Is he concerned now that the PAP will no longer be as friendly to him? Is he becoming too successful for his and the PAP's liking? The stage rhetoric and bravado are fine, but is he a mouse behind closed doors? Did the handshake between him and LKY really happen?

In any case, lets just enjoy the sweet PE victory!

Yes LTK should handover soon to another more vocal person. He's definitely not one to interact on a world stage as a PM, not to say LHL was always better. Sylvia is a good choice but also not sure if she's read to do full leadership plus politics. CSM, he disappointed me so far despite him dazzling people with his smile. Pritam as I've noted speaks well and is takign on the PAP on local and international issues. But as a WP leader? Nope.

No one yet.

 

[glockman]

Yes LTK should handover soon to another more vocal person. He's definitely not one to interact on a world stage as a PM, not to say LHL was always better. Sylvia is a good choice but also not sure if she's read to do full leadership plus politics. CSM, he disappointed me so far despite him dazzling people with his smile. Pritam as I've noted speaks well and is takign on the PAP on local and international issues. But as a WP leader? Nope.

No one yet.

I am not really concerned about LTK's personal attributes, but more so his PAP-friendly/admiring stance. He could well become (or have already become) an agent of self-censorship within the WP. Defanging members. I mean thats not all bad, considering the progress the WP has made. But moving forward, I have some concerns. Yes, CSM was not the same person he was in GE2011, quite disappointing. But I enjoyed PEH, Pritam, Daniel Goh and Terence Tan. They are like jack-hammers!

 

[steffychun]

I am not really concerned about LTK's personal attributes, but more so his PAP-friendly/admiring stance. He could well become (or have already become) an agent of self-censorship within the WP. Defanging members. I mean thats not all bad, considering the progress the WP has made. But moving forward, I have some concerns. Yes, CSM was not the same person he was in GE2011, quite disappointing. But I enjoyed PEH, Pritam, Daniel Goh and Terence Tan. They are like jack-hammers!

He's not exactly PAP loving but playing within the boundaries. Which helped him. Doubt if JBJ was free and still in hcarge of WP would there be any WP MPs in parliament or even in a GRC or Hougang. You can't have in in all ways. Chee's method failed. Chiam failed too as he's also self-centred--wife replacing him in PP? Lost PP.

Do we have a post-Low leader? Nope. GMS can shut up--he nothing. But if and if LTK handover, I expect Sylvia then CSM to lead.

 

[glockman]

He's not exactly PAP loving but playing within the boundaries. Which helped him. Doubt if JBJ was free and still in hcarge of WP would there be any WP MPs in parliament or even in a GRC or Hougang. You can't have in in all ways. Chee's method failed. Chiam failed too as he's also self-centred--wife replacing him in PP? Lost PP.

Do we have a post-Low leader? Nope. GMS can shut up--he nothing. But if and if LTK handover, I expect Sylvia then CSM to lead.

LTK is shrewd enough to know that JBJ's (God bless his soul) and CSJ's methods do not work. The PAP will kill you off, and the electorate is not entirely ready for that brand of politics either. To move forward, LTK needs to push the envelope. I reckon when the WP numbers in parliament grow, he might be bold enough then to consider or pursue it. Because playing within the boundaries equals self-censoring. He needs to be true to the people who voted for the WP.

 

[steffychun]

LTK is shrewd enough to know that JBJ's (God bless his soul) and CSJ's methods do not work. The PAP will kill you off, and the electorate is not entirely ready for that brand of politics either. To move forward, LTK needs to push the envelope. I reckon when the WP numbers in parliament grow, he might be bold enough then to consider or pursue it. Because playing within the boundaries equals self-censoring. He needs to be true to the people who voted for the WP.

That's why i've been calling for a WP shadow cabinet--each member monitor one or more ministers/Ministries. This will prove to the voters that the WP is there to really check on the government and not a "co-driver". This not only gets them more votes but shoe there is a post-PAP future.

 

[6000kmApart]

... who can get their hands dirty....

the 2 lawyers and the prof need to be more involved with the dirty glassloots work...

heard feedback from some volunteers is that they do not really know these shiny new candidates very well.. not sure if they are meant to be top secret ..

dispensing assistance to lower mortals via MPS doesnt count...

PAP lost because they parachut people down from above ... LL win because she was on the ground for 7 yrs, every1 know her....

IF WP was to follow in PAP footsteps, they will face the same outcome...


in a way JJ was a parachute down from above but he has prove he can get his hand dirty... the other elites need to do the same

what do you mean parachute?

LLL won an election for goodness sake! PAP's TPL, CCS, CSL (last minute MP in TP GRC), TCJ, TCH, MBT, KTK (the classic 20 years MP without being formally elected) all kena parachuted for their vrigin entry into parliament...

I am certain WP and other opposition new candidates will fight in an election to be elected, no?

Has always been so....

JBJ, CST, LTK, YSL, SL, CSM, PEH, LLL rode on the tailcoats of nobody and won by a good fight.

 

[glockman]

That's why i've been calling for a WP shadow cabinet--each member monitor one or more ministers/Ministries. This will prove to the voters that the WP is there to really check on the government and not a "co-driver". This not only gets them more votes but shoe there is a post-PAP future.

WP needs to attract more talents and win more elections to realise a WP shadow cabinet. All current indicators show they are on the right path and well on the way!

 

[steffychun]

WP needs to attract more talents and win more elections to realise a WP shadow cabinet. All current indicators show they are on the right path and well on the way!

They can start now. I've set up my proposed SC


Sylvia: Shadow PM, DPM (MHA) and Law (Shamu)
LTK: Shadow Manpower and MND
Pritam: Shadow MFA and Defence (he seems to love asking questions to Shamu anyway)
Faisal: Muslim Affairs (duh) and MCYS (related) (now three ministries but whatever)
CSM: Finance (don't tell me he can't do that) and perhaps Trade and Industry
PEH: Transport and Env and Water

Not sure if NCMPs can be part of Shadow.

 

[6000kmApart]

I observe LTK to be a very shrewd politician.

Being PAP-friendly (or whatever you called it) is just a facade. As mentioned, JBJ's and CSJ's methods didn't work, so LTK goes in on a soft approach that he hoped could sway the middle ground (about 40% of electorate) to his side.

Say hardcore PAP is 30% and hardcore opposition is 30% so this middle ground of 40% is crucial to an election win.

What do you think you have to do to lure these voters to vote for your party? Street demonstration? Confrontational approach? Oppose for the sake of opposing? Unity with other opposition parties where you do not share the same philosophy?

One important factor in LTK's book is ground work. To capture the hearts and minds of the people

 

[steffychun]

I observe LTK to be a very shrewd politician.

Being PAP-friendly (or whatever you called it) is just a facade. As mentioned, JBJ's and CSJ's methods didn't work, so LTK goes in on a soft approach that he hoped could sway the middle ground (about 40% of electorate) to his side.

Say hardcore PAP is 30% and hardcore opposition is 30% so this middle ground of 40% is crucial to an election win.

What do you think you have to do to lure these voters to vote for your party? Street demonstration? Confrontational approach? Oppose for the sake of opposing? Unity with other opposition parties where you do not share the same philosophy?

One important factor in LTK's book is ground work. To capture the hearts and minds of the people

LTK walks well. But he's humble. Chiam ST is close but he's more arrogant.

 

[glockman]

They can start now. I've set up my proposed SC


Sylvia: Shadow PM, DPM (MHA) and Law (Shamu)
LTK: Shadow Manpower and MND
Pritam: Shadow MFA and Defence (he seems to love asking questions to Shamu anyway)
Faisal: Muslim Affairs (duh) and MCYS (related) (now three ministries but whatever)
CSM: Finance (don't tell me he can't do that) and perhaps Trade and Industry
PEH: Transport and Env and Water

Not sure if NCMPs can be part of Shadow.

Nice. But the WP MPs would be stretched. What about health, education, etc? If WP keeps winning more parliament seats, then this SC might just become a reality.

 

[loneshark]

Nice. But the WP MPs would be stretched. What about health, education, etc? If WP keeps winning more parliament seats, then this SC might just become a reality.

Don't forget YJJ and GG. Education is YJJ's pet topic.

 

[6000kmApart]

LTK walks well. But he's humble. Chiam ST is close but he's more arrogant.

CST is a good man but he thinks he could do it all by himself, that makes him more arrogant I reckon.

20 odd years on, CST's party (SPP) has exited the political scene, while LTK's party now grew to 7 MPs in parliament. The wily fox must have done something right.

 

[glockman]

Don't forget YJJ and GG. Education is YJJ's pet topic.

Yes, but they need to get voted in first. And I am confident that will happen!