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wikileaks show the 2.face of govt....

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not that other govts only have one face but one should be aware.when.dealing with govt. you always have to be.weary.of, the spin and.sometimes misinformation they put out.This is.especially important in the singapore where the govt has full control of the main strream media. if you examine the diplomatic cables from the US embassy, the govt tells one thing to the public but has another intent. follow the link above and read the report

notable example are

1. To the public the PAP tells parents their.desire to educate each child to their.fullest potential. if you read wikileaks, it shows the govt wants to limit number going to university l.


2. the PAP tells the public their candidates are best and well qualified
.fact.is they have been unable to get good qualified pple and selections go down to 3rd tier.

3. ST journalists are frustrated with govt controls.
 
Only Singapore got 2 face? USA no 2 face? USA is worst than Singapore. If u not happy with Singapore government, u can migrate to your dream country, no one is going to stop you.
 
Only Singapore got 2 face? USA no 2 face? USA is worst than Singapore. If u not happy with Singapore government, u can migrate to your dream country, no one is going to stop you.

Did you create your nick solely to stalk TopSage? It's getting dull fast.
 
if you examine the diplomatic cables from the US embassy, the govt tells one thing to the public but has another intent. follow the link above and read the report

notable example are

1. To the public the PAP tells parents their.desire to educate each child to their.fullest potential. if you read wikileaks, it shows the govt wants to limit number going to university l.
2. the PAP tells the public their candidates are best and well qualified
.fact.is they have been unable to get good qualified pple and selections go down to 3rd tier.
3. ST journalists are frustrated with govt controls.


did the PAP people personally tell those things to the US embassy officials ? why would the PAP do so ? why would the PAP be so truthful with the Americans ? or is it a case of the US embassy officials analyzing the situation in Singapore and coming out with their own conjectures ?
 
Pap government does not have 2 face....pap is a 1 face government.....

100% MONEYFACE
 
All politicians have 2 faces. Only dumb politician like CSj got one face.
 
Only Singapore got 2 face? USA no 2 face? USA is worst than Singapore. If u not happy with Singapore government, u can migrate to your dream country, no one is going to stop you.

The problem is that other country will stop us from migrating there. So, if the sinkapore government can facilitate the migration of sinkees, I bet that hundreds of thousands if not million will leave asap.
So, don't put out a challenge if you can't deliver it.
 
The problem is that other country will stop us from migrating there. So, if the sinkapore government can facilitate the migration of sinkees, I bet that hundreds of thousands if not million will leave asap.
So, don't put out a challenge if you can't deliver it.

Which country is stoping us migrating there? can u list down?
 
They better limit the number of people going to universities.

Not enough quality jobs for uni grads. Singapore effectively has no manufacturing. Engineering is a dark corner. Financial sector is swamped with foreign trash.

Where does that leave the local uni grads?
 
Only Singapore got 2 face? USA no 2 face? USA is worst than Singapore. If u not happy with Singapore government, u can migrate to your dream country, no one is going to stop you.

You should seek wisdom by finding an unflushed public toilet bowl and sticking your head below that waterline and meditate with the turds and tissue floating there
 
And that is why the powers-that-be want to silence Julian Assange. For puny countries with no power to silence (e.g. Singapore), the next best alternative would be to ignore, discredit or sideline him.
 
More Wikileaks snippets regarding Singapore:

Jan 28, 2010
LABOR MONITORING AND ENGAGEMENT WITH SINGAPORE


Foreign Labor An Increasing Share of Workforce
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13. (SBU) Singapore's economy is highly dependent on foreign labor, which the government began encouraging in earnest in the 1990s. Of Singapore's total labor force of 2.94 million, 1.01 million are foreign. Of these, about eighty percent are unskilled and semi-skilled workers, the bulk being employed in construction, domestic or services industries. Singapore's non-resident population jumped 58% between 2003 and 2008. The arrival of these foreign workers has kept local blue-collar wages lower than they would be otherwise, exacerbating Singapore's gap between rich and poor. Singapore's Gini coefficient index for households surged 3.7 points between 2000 (44.4) to 2008 (48.1). Economists point to the influx of low-wage foreign labor as a cause of diminished labor productivity, off 7.8 percent in 2008 after a 0.8 percent decline in 2007. The GOS and NTUC have made raising the nation's productivity rate a top priority for the economy, and have signaled an upcoming slowing in Singapore's rate of immigration.



Feb 27, 2007
BURLESQUE AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS LATER, SINGAPORE STILL SEEKING SPONTANEITY


Casinos, Kumar and the Crazy Horse
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13. (SBU) The GOS appears to recognize the need to give citizens freer rein in order to foster creativity and entrepreneurship. Unwilling to loosen political controls, it has focused so far on easing social restrictions. The government made a highly controversial decision to allow casinos, and has awarded contracts to open two integrated resorts in 2009. Kumar, a popular transvestite nightclub comedian whose material focuses on taboo subjects including race, sex and the foibles of government personalities, has been allowed to perform on television and in public venues. Singaporeans returning from long stays overseas have told us of being shocked at the mushrooming of racy billboard advertising. MDA's Cheah pointed to the opening of the Crazy Horse French Burlesque in December 2005 (which subsequently closed in January 2007 due to poor attendance), and to the "success" of the Singapore Biennale (an arts festival) as further signs of greater social openness.


Time will tell whether it can promote creativity, critical-thinking, and innovation in society by loosening up on social issues and tinkering with the education system while keeping politics in quarantine. One way or another, Singapore's flirtation with openness will provide another interesting chapter in its unique history as a social-engineering petri dish.


Loved that last part. Petri dish indeed. :cool:
 
Ho Ching's Departure from Temasek Holdings
¶7. (C) Comment: Despite the Temasek chairman's denials, the announcement of Ho Ching's resignation seems connected to Temasek's untimely investments in the financial sector and the private criticism of Ho's performance. Although Singapore can be quick to crack down on public criticism of its leadership, the government is sensitive to low level grumbling and often moves swiftly to head off complaints before they become serious issues. It fits the Singapore style for Ho's resignation to have been made public on February 6, while confirmation of Temasek's major losses only came on February 10. The nine-month delay in Ho's departure may be a face-saving measure, designed to reduce any impression that she is being punished for Temasek,s performance while still blunting public anger and criticism over the losses to Singapore's reserves under her watch.

Need for PM Lee to establish himself before LKY demise
¶9. (C) PM Lee seems regularly to pass up opportunities to define himself as Singapore's true leader. In the short and medium term, he may not pay a political cost for this. The economy is humming along, the opposition remains weak and divided, and with LKY looking over everyone's shoulder, it is hard to imagine a rival emerging from within the tight-knit PAP.

¶10. (C) LKY's death will touch off a period of national angst -- he has been in control for so long that few in Singapore can remember life without him. If Singapore or the PAP were to face a major crisis during this period, PM Lee's failure to establish himself as a strong leader in his own right could come back to haunt him. He could be vulnerable and his leadership abilities would be tested like they never have before. If no crisis occurs or the PM handles it effectively, Singapore's well-oiled PAP-led political system may very well chug along with Lee Hsien Loong serving another decade or more as Prime Minister.


PAP wins old-style election in 2006[
¶2. (C) Summary: In the May 6 general election for parliament, the ruling People's Action Party won another landslide victory with 82 out of 84 seats. The election is another mandate for the PAP to continue its successful economic and security policies. It is not a mandate for Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who frequently failed to take center stage in the campaign and did relatively poorly in his own district. The PAP continued to rely on old style tactics, from threats of defamation suits to ad hominem attacks, to defeat opposition politicians. Despite winning only two seats, the opposition parties performed credibly, improved their tattered reputations, and laid the groundwork for the future. PM Lee lost a golden opportunity to put his own mark on the PAP and change its style and get out from the shadow of his father, Lee Kuan Yew. End Summary.

Lack of Independence of Singapore Judiciary in political cases
¶4. (C) This latest defamation case offers additional proof that Singapore's judiciary is not independent in political cases. The High Court will likely grant the Lees' motion for summary judgment -- a legal stretch because the very meaning of the allegedly defamatory words is disputed and the Chees have not apologized to the Lees. If the High Court does so, Chee Siok Chin probably will be bankrupted as has her brother, Dr. Chee Soon Juan. Dr. Chee already is effectively prohibited from traveling outside Singapore; the GOS holds his passport and he must seek its permission to travel until he is able to pay his debts stemming from prior legal cases. If the same fate befalls Chee Siok Chin, both Chees will be cut off from most direct contact with the international community and, as bankrupts, be prevented from participating in domestic politics.

Govt does not want more Singaporeans to have degrees
¶9. (C) Singapore boasts a highly competitive and well-regarded primary and secondary education system, but the number of Singaporeans completing a tertiary education is relatively low. Only 23 percent of Singaporean students entering primary school complete a degree at a local four-year university. In other knowledge-economies such as Japan's, around 50 percent of students complete a university degree. However, according to Cheryl Chan, Assistant Director of the Planning Division at the Ministry of Education (MOE), the government does not plan to encourage more students to get a higher education. The university enrollment rate will continue to be maintained at 20-25 percent because the Singaporean labor market does not need everyone to get a four-year degree, she asserted.

¶10. (SBU) Singapore's education system has been criticized for being heavy on memorization and light on critical thinking and creativity. Based on the British model, the system is highly test-focused and separates students (a process referred to as "streaming") at an early age between high, middle, and low achievers. The GOS has slowly begun to introduce greater flexibility into the system by allowing "streaming" in subjects (rather than based on total average scores) and has created new magnet schools focused on mathematics, the arts, and sports. But there are only three such schools, and the overall education system has changed little.


From: http://singaporemind.blogspot.sg/2011/09/interesting-wikleak-revelations-about.html

Interesting read, the US analysts are pretty good, if only government planners had half their analytical skills, then we won't be heading into such a mess.
 
these are all opinions.

are there any quotes from PAP MPs or senior civil servants ?

Do you have any quotes from the North Korean leaders with regards to the people they keep in the Gulags?
 
Ho Ching's Departure from Temasek Holdings
¶7. (C) Comment: Despite the Temasek chairman's denials, the announcement of Ho Ching's resignation seems connected to Temasek's untimely investments in the financial sector and the private criticism of Ho's performance. Although Singapore can be quick to crack down on public criticism of its leadership, the government is sensitive to low level grumbling and often moves swiftly to head off complaints before they become serious issues. It fits the Singapore style for Ho's resignation to have been made public on February 6, while confirmation of Temasek's major losses only came on February 10. The nine-month delay in Ho's departure may be a face-saving measure, designed to reduce any impression that she is being punished for Temasek,s performance while still blunting public anger and criticism over the losses to Singapore's reserves under her watch.

Need for PM Lee to establish himself before LKY demise
¶9. (C) PM Lee seems regularly to pass up opportunities to define himself as Singapore's true leader. In the short and medium term, he may not pay a political cost for this. The economy is humming along, the opposition remains weak and divided, and with LKY looking over everyone's shoulder, it is hard to imagine a rival emerging from within the tight-knit PAP.

¶10. (C) LKY's death will touch off a period of national angst -- he has been in control for so long that few in Singapore can remember life without him. If Singapore or the PAP were to face a major crisis during this period, PM Lee's failure to establish himself as a strong leader in his own right could come back to haunt him. He could be vulnerable and his leadership abilities would be tested like they never have before. If no crisis occurs or the PM handles it effectively, Singapore's well-oiled PAP-led political system may very well chug along with Lee Hsien Loong serving another decade or more as Prime Minister.


PAP wins old-style election in 2006[
¶2. (C) Summary: In the May 6 general election for parliament, the ruling People's Action Party won another landslide victory with 82 out of 84 seats. The election is another mandate for the PAP to continue its successful economic and security policies. It is not a mandate for Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who frequently failed to take center stage in the campaign and did relatively poorly in his own district. The PAP continued to rely on old style tactics, from threats of defamation suits to ad hominem attacks, to defeat opposition politicians. Despite winning only two seats, the opposition parties performed credibly, improved their tattered reputations, and laid the groundwork for the future. PM Lee lost a golden opportunity to put his own mark on the PAP and change its style and get out from the shadow of his father, Lee Kuan Yew. End Summary.

Lack of Independence of Singapore Judiciary in political cases
¶4. (C) This latest defamation case offers additional proof that Singapore's judiciary is not independent in political cases. The High Court will likely grant the Lees' motion for summary judgment -- a legal stretch because the very meaning of the allegedly defamatory words is disputed and the Chees have not apologized to the Lees. If the High Court does so, Chee Siok Chin probably will be bankrupted as has her brother, Dr. Chee Soon Juan. Dr. Chee already is effectively prohibited from traveling outside Singapore; the GOS holds his passport and he must seek its permission to travel until he is able to pay his debts stemming from prior legal cases. If the same fate befalls Chee Siok Chin, both Chees will be cut off from most direct contact with the international community and, as bankrupts, be prevented from participating in domestic politics.

Govt does not want more Singaporeans to have degrees
¶9. (C) Singapore boasts a highly competitive and well-regarded primary and secondary education system, but the number of Singaporeans completing a tertiary education is relatively low. Only 23 percent of Singaporean students entering primary school complete a degree at a local four-year university. In other knowledge-economies such as Japan's, around 50 percent of students complete a university degree. However, according to Cheryl Chan, Assistant Director of the Planning Division at the Ministry of Education (MOE), the government does not plan to encourage more students to get a higher education. The university enrollment rate will continue to be maintained at 20-25 percent because the Singaporean labor market does not need everyone to get a four-year degree, she asserted.

¶10. (SBU) Singapore's education system has been criticized for being heavy on memorization and light on critical thinking and creativity. Based on the British model, the system is highly test-focused and separates students (a process referred to as "streaming") at an early age between high, middle, and low achievers. The GOS has slowly begun to introduce greater flexibility into the system by allowing "streaming" in subjects (rather than based on total average scores) and has created new magnet schools focused on mathematics, the arts, and sports. But there are only three such schools, and the overall education system has changed little.


From: http://singaporemind.blogspot.sg/2011/09/interesting-wikleak-revelations-about.html

Interesting read, the US analysts are pretty good, if only government planners had half their analytical skills, then we won't be heading into such a mess.

If the Us analysts are pretty good, USA economic will not in deep shit now.
 
Do you have any quotes from the North Korean leaders with regards to the people they keep in the Gulags?


Taiwan's wikileaks quoted the Taiwanese political leaders in private conversations with the US officials, analyzing the conditions in Taiwan. i want to read views from the PAP themselves, what they told the Americans, not solely the US officials' analysis and conclusion on their side.
 
Only Singapore got 2 face? USA no 2 face? USA is worst than Singapore. If u not happy with Singapore government, u can migrate to your dream country, no one is going to stop you.

US got 2 faces, SG has got many faces!!
 
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