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Who opened the floodgates in Singapore that let in three new waves of immigrants during the past 24 years?

Most Singaporeans probably feel they know the answer but at least one serious analyst has pointed the finger, not at their influential ex-Minister Mentor, but at Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.

Although a few people had privately talked about it, this was the first time it was articulated publicly that the mild-mannered Goh's role was more than a passive one.

A regular contributor on the republic's history and current affairs, Chua Suntong wrote in The Online Citizen that Goh was the starting force behind the influx of foreign PRs.

The ill-prepared policy, one of modern Singapore's most important, has been the cause of a number of problems for locals, ranging from jobs and public transport to housing and education.

It also led to one of the worst election declines for the ruling party.

In his article, Chua said that as Singapore's fertility rate fell to 1.4 in 1987, Goh — who was then Deputy Prime Minister and due to succeed Lee Kuan Yew — started a pro-immigration policy.

Chua, who describes himself as a home-grown Singaporean, is a regular commentator on finance, history, languages and logistics.

Pointing the finger

He alleged it was Goh who had openly promoted mass immigration in 1987 when he was DPM. There has been no official confirmation from the two retired leaders.

During the past 20 years (1991-2010) some 726,768 PR permits were issued — mostly to foreign professionals, managers, executives and technicians (PMETs), who were directly competing with middle-class Singaporeans.

"Goh regularly used the term 'foreign talents' (FTs) to describe foreign PMETs and foreign-born students in local higher-level academic institutions," the columnist said.

At one time, he also strongly nudged as many PRs as possible to take up Singapore citizenship.

Chua's article was an analysis of the "Sept 2011 Population Report in the Larger Context" issued by the Institute of Policy Studies (IPS), a think tank.

"After promoting foreign immigration without really defining its meaning from 1987 to 2011, the ESM relinquished his Cabinet position," Chua wrote.

"He expressed hopes that a younger Cabinet would be able to carry Singapore forward in a more difficult and complex situation. His policies probably caused this situation."

The IPS report attributed no names of leaders responsible, but the writer indicated several times that Goh had been pushing it for a long period.

Several waves

It opened the door for 20,000-plus new PRs a year from 1987 to 1997 (up from 8,000 average). The figures rose steadily in two more waves until 2005-2010 when between 50,000 and 80,000 arrived every year.

"The ESM remained in the Cabinet after stepping down from the prime ministership in 2004," Chua added. The tempo of PR arrivals increased.

What he said of the role of the former well-liked Prime Minister has come as a surprise to Singaporeans, who had all along believed the immigration policy was solely Lee's idea.

Chua said that even after he handed over leadership to PM Lee Hsien Loong, he had continued to work on the programme as Senior Minister, and PRs kept coming in.

In another comment, social activist Ravi Philemon also said that it was the government under Goh which relaxed the stricter yester-years immigration policy of Singapore.

In fact, the excessive arrivals resulted in Lee Kuan Yew warning him that 60,000 new residents a year was "politically indigestible" and that 30,000 was more realistic.

Singaporeans generally read with some disbelief that Lee had allowed such an important decision as mass immigration to be decided by Goh.

The majority of informed Singaporeans still feel the original initiative had come from the founding leader himself — and that Goh was only a very convinced implementer.

A minority opinion, however, was that Goh and, subsequently, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong were just carrying out Lee's ambition to have a six million to seven million population by 2030.

Setting the record straight

At that time, Lee had frequently been telling people that his successors were calling the shots and running Singapore and that he was merely — as Minister Mentor — giving advice on the side. It wasn't always taken seriously.

"The truth will emerge one day as to who really made the call to let in so many foreign settlers without adequate preparation," said a retired businessman and strong admirer of Lee.

"In the event that Lee was only minimally responsible for the excess, then it is good that someone puts it on record before he passes on. Otherwise, it will not be fair to him."

That was a period when most People's Action Party (PAP) leaders were pro-immigration, including both the two Lees. It is only now that the numbers are being cut back.

Lee Senior had said it allowed Singapore "to punch above its weight". The difference was, of course, how big a figure.

Three years ago, Lee signalled a redirection, saying he now preferred an optimum population of 5.5 million — instead of 6.5 million.

Others like former PAP MP Dr Tan Hui Heng had even called for a "big bang" approach in doubling manpower.

Tan, in fact, suggested admitting not only the highly talented, but also those with lower and intermediate skills, arguing that a big bang approach would prevent erosion of asset values.

The new young arrivals, Goh had hoped, would make up for Singapore's baby shortfall.

The story has not ended. More foreign PRs will likely arrive in this migrant society — but staggered over a longer period.

A former Reuters correspondent and newspaper editor, the writer is now a freelance columnist writing on general trends in Singapore. This post first appeared on his blog www.littlespeck.com on 12 November 2011.

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Alamak, u guys very obessed bout my last avatar...... LMAO.

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it was WOODY who opened the floogdates to immigrants!!!

Who opened the floodgates in Singapore that let in three new waves of immigrants during the past 24 years?

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Most Singaporeans probably feel they know the answer but at least one serious analyst has pointed the finger, not at their influential ex-Minister Mentor, but at Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.

Although a few people had privately talked about it, this was the first time it was articulated publicly that the mild-mannered Goh's role was more than a passive one.

A regular contributor on the republic's history and current affairs, Chua Suntong wrote in The Online Citizen that Goh was the starting force behind the influx of foreign PRs.

The ill-prepared policy, one of modern Singapore's most important, has been the cause of a number of problems for locals, ranging from jobs and public transport to housing and education.

It also led to one of the worst election declines for the ruling party.

In his article, Chua said that as Singapore's fertility rate fell to 1.4 in 1987, Goh — who was then Deputy Prime Minister and due to succeed Lee Kuan Yew — started a pro-immigration policy.

Chua, who describes himself as a home-grown Singaporean, is a regular commentator on finance, history, languages and logistics.

Pointing the finger

He alleged it was Goh who had openly promoted mass immigration in 1987 when he was DPM. There has been no official confirmation from the two retired leaders.

During the past 20 years (1991-2010) some 726,768 PR permits were issued — mostly to foreign professionals, managers, executives and technicians (PMETs), who were directly competing with middle-class Singaporeans.

"Goh regularly used the term 'foreign talents' (FTs) to describe foreign PMETs and foreign-born students in local higher-level academic institutions," the columnist said.

At one time, he also strongly nudged as many PRs as possible to take up Singapore citizenship.

Chua's article was an analysis of the "Sept 2011 Population Report in the Larger Context" issued by the Institute of Policy Studies (IPS), a think tank.

"After promoting foreign immigration without really defining its meaning from 1987 to 2011, the ESM relinquished his Cabinet position," Chua wrote.

"He expressed hopes that a younger Cabinet would be able to carry Singapore forward in a more difficult and complex situation. His policies probably caused this situation."

The IPS report attributed no names of leaders responsible, but the writer indicated several times that Goh had been pushing it for a long period.

Several waves

It opened the door for 20,000-plus new PRs a year from 1987 to 1997 (up from 8,000 average). The figures rose steadily in two more waves until 2005-2010 when between 50,000 and 80,000 arrived every year.

"The ESM remained in the Cabinet after stepping down from the prime ministership in 2004," Chua added. The tempo of PR arrivals increased.

What he said of the role of the former well-liked Prime Minister has come as a surprise to Singaporeans, who had all along believed the immigration policy was solely Lee's idea.

Chua said that even after he handed over leadership to PM Lee Hsien Loong, he had continued to work on the programme as Senior Minister, and PRs kept coming in.

In another comment, social activist Ravi Philemon also said that it was the government under Goh which relaxed the stricter yester-years immigration policy of Singapore.

In fact, the excessive arrivals resulted in Lee Kuan Yew warning him that 60,000 new residents a year was "politically indigestible" and that 30,000 was more realistic.

Singaporeans generally read with some disbelief that Lee had allowed such an important decision as mass immigration to be decided by Goh.

The majority of informed Singaporeans still feel the original initiative had come from the founding leader himself — and that Goh was only a very convinced implementer.

A minority opinion, however, was that Goh and, subsequently, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong were just carrying out Lee's ambition to have a six million to seven million population by 2030.

Setting the record straight

At that time, Lee had frequently been telling people that his successors were calling the shots and running Singapore and that he was merely — as Minister Mentor — giving advice on the side. It wasn't always taken seriously.

"The truth will emerge one day as to who really made the call to let in so many foreign settlers without adequate preparation," said a retired businessman and strong admirer of Lee.

"In the event that Lee was only minimally responsible for the excess, then it is good that someone puts it on record before he passes on. Otherwise, it will not be fair to him."

That was a period when most People's Action Party (PAP) leaders were pro-immigration, including both the two Lees. It is only now that the numbers are being cut back.

Lee Senior had said it allowed Singapore "to punch above its weight". The difference was, of course, how big a figure.

Three years ago, Lee signalled a redirection, saying he now preferred an optimum population of 5.5 million — instead of 6.5 million.

Others like former PAP MP Dr Tan Hui Heng had even called for a "big bang" approach in doubling manpower.

Tan, in fact, suggested admitting not only the highly talented, but also those with lower and intermediate skills, arguing that a big bang approach would prevent erosion of asset values.

The new young arrivals, Goh had hoped, would make up for Singapore's baby shortfall.

The story has not ended. More foreign PRs will likely arrive in this migrant society — but staggered over a longer period.
 
Re: it was WOODY who opened the floogdates to immigrants!!!

If Sinkies got more balls to vote out the govt, then there wouldn't be such an issue. So stop whining you bunch of loser Sinkies!
 
Who opened the floodgates in Singapore that let in three new waves of immigrants during the past 24 years?

Most Singaporeans probably feel they know the answer but at least one serious analyst has pointed the finger, not at their influential ex-Minister Mentor, but at Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.

Although a few people had privately talked about it, this was the first time it was articulated publicly that the mild-mannered Goh's role was more than a passive one.

A regular contributor on the republic's history and current affairs, Chua Suntong wrote in The Online Citizen that Goh was the starting force behind the influx of foreign PRs.

The ill-prepared policy, one of modern Singapore's most important, has been the cause of a number of problems for locals, ranging from jobs and public transport to housing and education.

It also led to one of the worst election declines for the ruling party.

In his article, Chua said that as Singapore's fertility rate fell to 1.4 in 1987, Goh — who was then Deputy Prime Minister and due to succeed Lee Kuan Yew — started a pro-immigration policy.

Chua, who describes himself as a home-grown Singaporean, is a regular commentator on finance, history, languages and logistics.

Pointing the finger

He alleged it was Goh who had openly promoted mass immigration in 1987 when he was DPM. There has been no official confirmation from the two retired leaders.

During the past 20 years (1991-2010) some 726,768 PR permits were issued — mostly to foreign professionals, managers, executives and technicians (PMETs), who were directly competing with middle-class Singaporeans.

"Goh regularly used the term 'foreign talents' (FTs) to describe foreign PMETs and foreign-born students in local higher-level academic institutions," the columnist said.

At one time, he also strongly nudged as many PRs as possible to take up Singapore citizenship.

Chua's article was an analysis of the "Sept 2011 Population Report in the Larger Context" issued by the Institute of Policy Studies (IPS), a think tank.

"After promoting foreign immigration without really defining its meaning from 1987 to 2011, the ESM relinquished his Cabinet position," Chua wrote.

"He expressed hopes that a younger Cabinet would be able to carry Singapore forward in a more difficult and complex situation. His policies probably caused this situation."

The IPS report attributed no names of leaders responsible, but the writer indicated several times that Goh had been pushing it for a long period.

Several waves

It opened the door for 20,000-plus new PRs a year from 1987 to 1997 (up from 8,000 average). The figures rose steadily in two more waves until 2005-2010 when between 50,000 and 80,000 arrived every year.

"The ESM remained in the Cabinet after stepping down from the prime ministership in 2004," Chua added. The tempo of PR arrivals increased.

What he said of the role of the former well-liked Prime Minister has come as a surprise to Singaporeans, who had all along believed the immigration policy was solely Lee's idea.

Chua said that even after he handed over leadership to PM Lee Hsien Loong, he had continued to work on the programme as Senior Minister, and PRs kept coming in.

In another comment, social activist Ravi Philemon also said that it was the government under Goh which relaxed the stricter yester-years immigration policy of Singapore.

In fact, the excessive arrivals resulted in Lee Kuan Yew warning him that 60,000 new residents a year was "politically indigestible" and that 30,000 was more realistic.

Singaporeans generally read with some disbelief that Lee had allowed such an important decision as mass immigration to be decided by Goh.

The majority of informed Singaporeans still feel the original initiative had come from the founding leader himself — and that Goh was only a very convinced implementer.

A minority opinion, however, was that Goh and, subsequently, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong were just carrying out Lee's ambition to have a six million to seven million population by 2030.

Setting the record straight

At that time, Lee had frequently been telling people that his successors were calling the shots and running Singapore and that he was merely — as Minister Mentor — giving advice on the side. It wasn't always taken seriously.

"The truth will emerge one day as to who really made the call to let in so many foreign settlers without adequate preparation," said a retired businessman and strong admirer of Lee.

"In the event that Lee was only minimally responsible for the excess, then it is good that someone puts it on record before he passes on. Otherwise, it will not be fair to him."

That was a period when most People's Action Party (PAP) leaders were pro-immigration, including both the two Lees. It is only now that the numbers are being cut back.

Lee Senior had said it allowed Singapore "to punch above its weight". The difference was, of course, how big a figure.

Three years ago, Lee signalled a redirection, saying he now preferred an optimum population of 5.5 million — instead of 6.5 million.

Others like former PAP MP Dr Tan Hui Heng had even called for a "big bang" approach in doubling manpower.

Tan, in fact, suggested admitting not only the highly talented, but also those with lower and intermediate skills, arguing that a big bang approach would prevent erosion of asset values.

The new young arrivals, Goh had hoped, would make up for Singapore's baby shortfall.

The story has not ended. More foreign PRs will likely arrive in this migrant society — but staggered over a longer period.

A former Reuters correspondent and newspaper editor, the writer is now a freelance columnist writing on general trends in Singapore. This post first appeared on his blog www.littlespeck.com on 12 November 2011.

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As far as I am concern, the 'Unholy Trinity' need to be shot with their minions. No point deliberating on weather its AH Goh or AH Loong or Old Man...etc. They are all equally guilty. DO not forget hor AH Goh keep saying (when he was PM) that he is PM and not seat warmer etc etc, the rest are advisors etc..He has rejected Lau Lee advice etc etc. So since he was PM and happen under his watch, AH GOh is at fault lor.

And AH Loong, he has been PM for how many years? 7 years? why didnt he do something about it? Did he change the FT policies? In fact he made things worse by opening the flood gates wider. So Loong is guilty too

And Lau Lee, yeah he is to blame for everything, as he was SM than MM and cabinet member hor,,,and please just before the election, he gave the 'spurs in the hide' etc speech. He defended the policy and advocated it,,so he is guilty.

MBT and WKS. the Minions, going around saying HDB is affordable, MSK escape not anyones fault etc etc. As cabinet members and PAP CEC members, they approve of the policies, never speak out on it and carry on..as cabinet members and paid millions, they believe in the FT policy too..so if its a collective decision by 'cabinet' it means its their collective FAULT.

Also another one to blame is the current President Tony Tan, he also push, advocated and pursued the FT policy when he was DPM and he defended the policy as a Presidential Candidate. he is Guilty as well
 
Yeah, maybe Lau Goh had something to do with this, BUT really the supposedly low birth rate is just a red herring. S'pore is not the only country with a low birth rate. Many industrialised countries have the same problem. For example, you don't see Japan importing 40% of its population as FTs. The birth rate in singapore can be increased with govt. incentives, preferential treatments for parents, free child care, guaranteed maternity leave with guaranteed return to the same job, etc. By nature, humans want to have kids. If you give them enough reasons to do so, they will. On the other hand, letting in so many FTs lead to many social and criminal issues. Want to kick them out later on also not easy.

The real reason is not the birth rate. Certain things happened to Wooden, and he saw the light, and got panicked. So did Con You. Firstly, his duaghter (well educated, smart, a great asset to the singapore society), decides she likes angmo cock, and migrates to the UK to marry a Brit husband, and contibuted to the UK birth rate by having kids there. In addition, some of Wooden's close friends also had children migrate overseas. He started to wonder if the children of the cream of the crops in singapore don't even like to stay in singapore, how to expect the rest to do so. After some research, he realise that probably 20% of all native born singaporeans are NO LONGER living in singapore. Many have children in other countries that would have been singapore citizens if they had remain here. Wooden realised that given a chance, 60% of singaporeans would move to Australia, UK, Canada, US, etc. if given a chance. If you don't believe this, sit down and write out on a piece of paper all those people you know (former classmates, NS mates, co-workers, uni classmates, relatives, friends, etc.) that are no longer living in singapore, and you will find your list is over 10. My personal list is over 30. Like that, the birth rate must be 5 babies for every one woman to even make a dent in the population loss.

All this was perceived as a big slap in the face of the PAP and of Con You and Wooden personally. After forming what they thought was the worker utopia, they now find out that the real opinion on the street was that they were wrong, and people can't wait to get out. Now, their amazement and dissappointment has turned to revenge. Their thinking now is fuck these sinkies. They don't like us, we will fuck them over, make their lives more miserable, let them die under a deluge of FTs.

So, now you have it.
 
After forming what they thought was the worker utopia, they now find out that the real opinion on the street was that they were wrong, and people can't wait to get out

Yep, know many who have who chosen to stay away from Spore. I would say that only 1 to 2 out of 10 male students who have studied overseas have chosen to return to Spore. There are alot of push factors for guys such as reservist & lousy pay.

Having lived & worked overseas & I really miss the quality of life that's missing in Spore :(
 
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Yep, know many who have who have chosen to stay away from Spore. I would say that only 1 to 2 out of 10 male students who have studied overseas have chosen to return to Spore. There are alot of push factors for guys such as reservist & lousy pay.

Having lived & worked overseas & I really miss the quality of life that's missing in Spore :(

What u say is true. If you go around and add up everyone who knows native born singaporeans that have stayed away and procreated in other countries, u will see why the PAP is so desperate. I guarantee u that if all these people were never to have left, and instead stayed in singapore and carry on life as they would, we will have more than enough population without resorting to mass import of FTs. Basically, Wooden stumbled upon this fact when his own daughter run road. But how can the PAP publicly stand up and announce this fact for what it is, a disaster of epic proportions.
 
Yep, know many who have who have chosen to stay away from Spore. I would say that only 1 to 2 out of 10 male students who have studied overseas have chosen to return to Spore. There are alot of push factors for guys such as reservist & lousy pay.

Having lived & worked overseas & I really miss the quality of life that's missing in Spore :(

I know exactly what you mean bro. A driver, nice 7-seater, start very early to escape the traffic jam, leave office early to escape same. Nice big house with maid and miles of expressways to sightsee and enjoy the scenary, culture and food. Life for me in Indonesia was good. Too bad I have to come back Singapore but that is another story.:(
 
I know exactly what you mean bro. A driver, nice 7-seater, start very early to escape the traffic jam, leave office early to escape same. Nice big house with maid and miles of expressways to sightsee and enjoy the scenary, culture and food. Life for me in Indonesia was good. Too bad I have to come back Singapore but that is another story.:(

In Canada there are no maids but even a single mother can cope because work hours are shorter & there are many options available e.g. maternity leave, affordable day care options,.. If you need to run an errand just tell your boss or take sick leave, over there no need to get an MC.

A 5 day week is the norm. The big difference is that the work environment is much more pleasant as the rights of the worker are clear & the boss can't shift the goal post whenever he/she feels like it. Time passes so quickly because of the lack of stress :eek:

However in Spore there is always some deadline or target. When you do meet the target, it is always raised:eek: The system is against you because "they" can do it to you as there is no worker rights:(

I've been to Jakarta & whenever I go to the saunas there during lunchtime, I often see business people relaxing:) With the traffic jams & diversions the city has to offer, I wonder how things get done in that city:D
 
Basically, Wooden stumbled upon this fact when his own daughter run road. But how can the PAP publicly stand up and announce this fact for what it is, a disaster of epic proportions.

The exodus from Spore has been going on for decades. The fact that the PAP tried to hide the figures shows that they were aware of the situation.

Only recently have they been more open about the number of foreigners in Spore because the numbers are too high to hide:rolleyes:

In my opinion the PAP has lost it's credibility. The party has too many individuals with their own selfish self serving agendas.
 
Yeah, maybe Lau Goh had something to do with this, BUT really the supposedly low birth rate is just a red herring. S'pore is not the only country with a low birth rate. Many industrialised countries have the same problem. For example, you don't see Japan importing 40% of its population as FTs. The birth rate in singapore can be increased with govt. incentives, preferential treatments for parents, free child care, guaranteed maternity leave with guaranteed return to the same job, etc. By nature, humans want to have kids. If you give them enough reasons to do so, they will. On the other hand, letting in so many FTs lead to many social and criminal issues. Want to kick them out later on also not easy.

The real reason is not the birth rate. Certain things happened to Wooden, and he saw the light, and got panicked. So did Con You. Firstly, his duaghter (well educated, smart, a great asset to the singapore society), decides she likes angmo cock, and migrates to the UK to marry a Brit husband, and contibuted to the UK birth rate by having kids there. In addition, some of Wooden's close friends also had children migrate overseas. He started to wonder if the children of the cream of the crops in singapore don't even like to stay in singapore, how to expect the rest to do so. After some research, he realise that probably 20% of all native born singaporeans are NO LONGER living in singapore. Many have children in other countries that would have been singapore citizens if they had remain here. Wooden realised that given a chance, 60% of singaporeans would move to Australia, UK, Canada, US, etc. if given a chance. If you don't believe this, sit down and write out on a piece of paper all those people you know (former classmates, NS mates, co-workers, uni classmates, relatives, friends, etc.) that are no longer living in singapore, and you will find your list is over 10. My personal list is over 30. Like that, the birth rate must be 5 babies for every one woman to even make a dent in the population loss.

All this was perceived as a big slap in the face of the PAP and of Con You and Wooden personally. After forming what they thought was the worker utopia, they now find out that the real opinion on the street was that they were wrong, and people can't wait to get out. Now, their amazement and dissappointment has turned to revenge. Their thinking now is fuck these sinkies. They don't like us, we will fuck them over, make their lives more miserable, let them die under a deluge of FTs.

So, now you have it.

if this is true , then they shouldn't invite more PMETs who are just as ungrateful and more likely to quit for USA. and if it's the rich and eltists who are fleeing sinkypore , why they must take it out on the working class like me??? i did nothing wrong. i believed in (almost) everything the gahmen schools taught... until i had to go out, work, and face reality. they should tax the rich, their own children, themselves, and find new ways to screw the rich and very talented... and not take it out on me. unless they really want a commie-style worker's revolution to chop off their heads. i may be sheep , but these chinaman new PRs have a much much lower tolerance.
 
The exodus from Spore has been going on for decades. The fact that the PAP tried to hide the figures shows that they were aware of the situation.

Only recently have they been more open about the number of foreigners in Spore because the numbers are too high to hide:rolleyes:

In my opinion the PAP has lost it's credibility. The party has too many individuals with their own selfish self serving agendas.

The exodus has been going for years, but in the last decade and a half it has really accelerated to the point that the PAP has to enact such FT importation matters. Con you and Wooden did the good cop bad cop routine years ago. First, they tried to intimidate those people leaving, calling them "quitters", etc. That did not work, so they decided to sound more conciliatory by talking about dual citizenship, reaching out to overseas singapore communities, but this was a half harded bullshit attempt and no result came from that. Now, they have abandoned all plans to restrict the exodus, and instead, just swap out one batch for another. Where the serious miscalculation happened is that they think these new batches of FTs will actually make singapore their permanent homes, have kids here, send their sons to NS, be compliant and willing to live in pigeon holes etc. The now realise that these FTs are 2nd class, milking the system to earn money to move back to their original countries permanently, or use their S'pore passport as a stepping stone to their ultimate destination i.e. UK. Australia, canada, US, etc.

FTs are not stupid. The all that if native born singaporeans cannot even be bothered to stay in the country of their births, why should they?
 
if this is true , then they shouldn't invite more PMETs who are just as ungrateful and more likely to quit for USA. and if it's the rich and eltists who are fleeing sinkypore , why they must take it out on the working class like me??? i did nothing wrong. i believed in (almost) everything the gahmen schools taught... until i had to go out, work, and face reality. they should tax the rich, their own children, themselves, and find new ways to screw the rich and very talented... and not take it out on me. unless they really want a commie-style worker's revolution to chop off their heads. i may be sheep , but these chinaman new PRs have a much much lower tolerance.

U still don't undertand. The PAP don't give a shit about anyone. DOn't take this personally, they are not only taking it out on you, they are taking it out on everyone. Its not the rich and elitists the only ones that are fleeing, even the middle class is leaving. If the working class could make it out, they would too.
 
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