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Who’s to Blame For the Palestinians’ Plight?

duluxe

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https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/05/jordans-unemployment-rate-is-much-worse.html

Whenever there is any statistic announced that shows that life for them [the Palestinians] isn’t perfect, they have someone to blame: Israel.
So, for example, when there are some people in Gaza who are food insecure, it must be Israel’s fault – even though it is much worse in neighboring Egypt, and even though Israel does not limit food into Gaza at all.
The Gazan Arabs may be “food insecure” compared to their neighbors in Israel, but not compared to the Arabs in Egypt, who have less than the Gazans to spend on food, and less choice in what is available. The Israelis are constantly accused of instituting a devastating “blockade” of Gaza (“an open-air prison”), and we are supposed to believe that this includes foodstuffs. But the only materials the Israelis keep from entering Gaza are “dual-use” items – that is, such goods as steel pipes that can have both a civilian and a military use, in building weapons, rocket launch pads, and terror tunnels. Israel places no limits on food or medicine or other humanitarian aid from entering the Strip. If some Gazans do not have enough money for food, that is the fault of the Hamas despots who run Gaza. They have managed to divert much of the foreign aid meant for ordinary people into their own pockets. Just two Hamas leaders, Khaled Meshaal and Moussa abu Marzouk, have each managed to accumulate fortunes of $2.5 billion. Below the top rank, hundreds of lesser Hamas apparatchiks – reportedly, 600 — have been allowed to skim between one and three million dollars apiece for their own benefit. This is how the terror group buys loyalty. Thus does money that might have gone to subsidizing food staples – milk, bread, chickpeas — for those who are now “food insecure,” instead enriches thousand or two of the 2.2 million people in Gaza.

In addition to the colossal corruption in Gaza, there are the choices Hamas makes on what to spend the money that remains after the high-ranked crooks have all taken their share. Hamas does not spend much money on agriculture, nor on importing more foodstuffs. Instead the terror group uses hundreds of millions of dollars to build up armories of weapons. Between them, the terror groups Hamas and PIJ have about 12,000 rockets in Gaza, ready to be launched against Israel, and include the M-302 long-range rocket. Almost all of Israel can now be hit by rockets launched from Gaza. Hamas has also spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a vast underground network of tunnels, that allowed it to move both fighters and weapons throughout the Strip without being detected — or did allow it, until Israel managed nonetheless to detect, and then to destroy, almost all of those tunnels. How many hundreds of millions of dollars invested in those terror tunnels went up in smoke? How much food would that money lavished on tunnels bought for the people of Gaza?

When the unemployment rate in the West Bank is at 14%, that sounds very high. It must be Israel’s fault. Except that neighboring Jordan’s is at nearly 22%.
Again, the Palestinians’ “plight” needs to be compared with the situation of other Arabs nearby. For the Palestinians in the West Bank, the point of comparison is Jordan. Palestinians in the PA have an unemployment rate of 14%. The unemployment rate in Jordan is 50% higher. Doesn’t that make one more inclined to sympathize with the Jordanians than with the Palestinians? But of course, since Israel can’t be blamed for the Jordanian unemployment rate, the Arabs don’t bother discussing it; they concentrate all their indignation on the travails of the Palestinians in Gaza.

To the world, Palestinians have zero responsibility for their own problems. That is mostly because Palestinians insist that this is the case. This way they avoid doing any actual nation-building, and the EU keeps sending experts who do the work for them.
The Palestinians, both in the PA-run parts of the West Bank, and in Hamas-run Gaza, have very high rates of unemployment. But that is not Israel’s fault. The Israelis, in fact, are doing everything they can to reduce Palestinian unemployment. They provide work permits for more than 100,000 Palestinians in the West Bank, allowing them to work in both Israel and the settlements, and another 19,000 work permits for Palestinians in Gaza, allowing them to work in Israel. The salaries paid to these workers from the West Bank range anywhere from two to five times as much as what they can earn from jobs in the PA. The difference is even more stark for the Gazan Palestinians; their, Israeli wages are up to ten times higher than what they would be paid in Gaza. And Israel has made clear that if the security situation remains quiet, it is prepared to increase the number of work permits. While several hundred thousand Palestinians have worked for decades in the rich Gulf Arab countries, those countries are not taking in more Palestinians (and Kuwait expelled 400,000 of them after the Gulf War in 1991, when they foolishly supported the Iraqi invasion of the country). The only country that is currently helping to reduce the Palestinian unemployment rate is the country the Palestinians blame for all their misery – Israel.

The Palestinians have been living off the international dole their entire lives. Every year about $1.6 billion are provided to UNRWA for the care and feeding — housing, medical care, education, food — of Palestinians in camps across the Middle East, including some in Gaza and the West Bank. More billions have been given by foreign donors directly to the PA and to Hamas. No Palestinians seem to think this state of affairs is to be deplored because it has created a permanent state of dependence. But they may have no choice but to learn to fend for themselves. They can no longer count on the largesse from the rich Arab states, whose leaders — with the Saudi Crown Prince in the lead — have expressed exasperation with Mahmoud Abbas, and are tired of endlessly supporting the Palestinians whose cause is no longer at the center of Arab concerns. They have already greatly decreased their aid, almost to zero, both to UNRWA and to the PA. Hamas continues to receive payments from the Gulf Arabs’ odd-man out — the one Arab state that supports the Muslim Brotherhood and its Gazan branch, Hamas — Qatar.

The fact that Palestinians choose to spend about 6% [sic]of their budget on terrorist “salaries” and family payments hundreds of millions of dollars that could go to help normal Palestinians – does not faze the rest of the world.
And the fact that Israel employs some 125,000 Palestinians, with salaries more than double [those salaries are, depending on the job, anywhere betwee two and ten times what they would receive at home] their domestic worker counterparts, doesn’t mean anything either.
The only narrative allowed – in the media and from NGOs – is that all Palestinian problems come from Israel.

And the world is happy – nay, eager – to believe it.
The Palestinians have three main problems.

First, for the Palestinians there is no possibility of democracy. Hamas rules with an iron fist in Gaza, and the PA rules despotically in the West Bank. If anyone dares to criticize the rulers, that person will be threatened, beaten, possibly imprisoned, or even, in some cases, killed. When Mahmoud Abbas, President-for-Life of the PA, realized that one of his critics, Nizar Banat, was becoming too effective in his criticism of Abbas’ corruption on social media, he had his goons beat Banat to death. That has, for now, muted the criticism of the thin-skinned rais in Ramallah. In Gaza, critics of Hamas are equally threatened. Few have forgotten how a well-known critic of Hamas, Osama Atallah, was tortured and then strangled by agents of the terror group.

The second is colossal corruption. Billions of dollars have been taken by just two Hamas leaders in Gaza. in the West Bank, Mahmoud Abbas and his two sons Tarek and Yasser, have built a business empire worth $400 million. And tens of millions of dollars have been shared by leaders in Hamas and Fatah leaders lower down on their respective totem poles. Anyone daring to speak out about corruption will threatened, imprisoned, or killed.

The third is the prioritizing of spending on the military and security services in both Gaza and in the PA-ruled parts of the West Bank. In Gaza, it is estimated that Hamas spends one-quarter of the budget on arming the group with advanced weapons, digging tunnels, training, and salaries for Hamas fighters. Imagine how much good that money could do if instead it were used to lessen food insecurity, beginning by improving crop yields and subsidizing staples, including bread, milk, chickpeas, and olive oil. And the same applies to the PA-ruled parts of the West Bank, where the staples could be subsidized by a government less corrupt, and determined to no longer support various overlapping security services which have a total of 42,000 men under arms in a population of 2.7 million. If the US, with a population of 335 million, had the same proportion of security forces to the general population as the PA, it would have six million men in uniform. Clearly, the PA could decrease the number of men in its security services, and spend the money saved on alleviating food insecurity, by transferring the amount saved on those salaries both to support Palestinian farmers, and to pay for food imports.

None of these – the despotism, the corruption, the misallocation of resources in both Gaza and the PA-ruled parts of the West Bank – have anything to do with Israel. Remember that, the next time you have to endure a world-of-woe lament from Mahmoud Abbas as to all the terrible things those Israelis are doing to make the lives of Palestinians so miserable.
 

SeeNanKia

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Loyal
Yes, absolutely.
Everybody seems to have valid points on this unfortunate situation.
Please bear in mind that taking land from the 700,000 Palestinians after WW2 and parachuting another race into their land, and then marshaling a great migration of mostly Europeans into this land of mostly Arabic people,hence sidelining these indigenous people into a smaller quarter , is definitely a recipe for unending conflict.
That population has increased to two millions plus and essentially been living in a prison called Gaza.
The Israeli has their fingers on most of their essential.. that is what food gets in, their water,etc.
If you have not lived in such conditions, please don’t pretend that you do.
Most Israeli are innocent as well, they are lured into this promised land by the West and their cronies.
 

syed putra

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https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/05/jordans-unemployment-rate-is-much-worse.html


The Gazan Arabs may be “food insecure” compared to their neighbors in Israel, but not compared to the Arabs in Egypt, who have less than the Gazans to spend on food, and less choice in what is available. The Israelis are constantly accused of instituting a devastating “blockade” of Gaza (“an open-air prison”), and we are supposed to believe that this includes foodstuffs. But the only materials the Israelis keep from entering Gaza are “dual-use” items – that is, such goods as steel pipes that can have both a civilian and a military use, in building weapons, rocket launch pads, and terror tunnels. Israel places no limits on food or medicine or other humanitarian aid from entering the Strip. If some Gazans do not have enough money for food, that is the fault of the Hamas despots who run Gaza. They have managed to divert much of the foreign aid meant for ordinary people into their own pockets. Just two Hamas leaders, Khaled Meshaal and Moussa abu Marzouk, have each managed to accumulate fortunes of $2.5 billion. Below the top rank, hundreds of lesser Hamas apparatchiks – reportedly, 600 — have been allowed to skim between one and three million dollars apiece for their own benefit. This is how the terror group buys loyalty. Thus does money that might have gone to subsidizing food staples – milk, bread, chickpeas — for those who are now “food insecure,” instead enriches thousand or two of the 2.2 million people in Gaza.

In addition to the colossal corruption in Gaza, there are the choices Hamas makes on what to spend the money that remains after the high-ranked crooks have all taken their share. Hamas does not spend much money on agriculture, nor on importing more foodstuffs. Instead the terror group uses hundreds of millions of dollars to build up armories of weapons. Between them, the terror groups Hamas and PIJ have about 12,000 rockets in Gaza, ready to be launched against Israel, and include the M-302 long-range rocket. Almost all of Israel can now be hit by rockets launched from Gaza. Hamas has also spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a vast underground network of tunnels, that allowed it to move both fighters and weapons throughout the Strip without being detected — or did allow it, until Israel managed nonetheless to detect, and then to destroy, almost all of those tunnels. How many hundreds of millions of dollars invested in those terror tunnels went up in smoke? How much food would that money lavished on tunnels bought for the people of Gaza?


Again, the Palestinians’ “plight” needs to be compared with the situation of other Arabs nearby. For the Palestinians in the West Bank, the point of comparison is Jordan. Palestinians in the PA have an unemployment rate of 14%. The unemployment rate in Jordan is 50% higher. Doesn’t that make one more inclined to sympathize with the Jordanians than with the Palestinians? But of course, since Israel can’t be blamed for the Jordanian unemployment rate, the Arabs don’t bother discussing it; they concentrate all their indignation on the travails of the Palestinians in Gaza.


The Palestinians, both in the PA-run parts of the West Bank, and in Hamas-run Gaza, have very high rates of unemployment. But that is not Israel’s fault. The Israelis, in fact, are doing everything they can to reduce Palestinian unemployment. They provide work permits for more than 100,000 Palestinians in the West Bank, allowing them to work in both Israel and the settlements, and another 19,000 work permits for Palestinians in Gaza, allowing them to work in Israel. The salaries paid to these workers from the West Bank range anywhere from two to five times as much as what they can earn from jobs in the PA. The difference is even more stark for the Gazan Palestinians; their, Israeli wages are up to ten times higher than what they would be paid in Gaza. And Israel has made clear that if the security situation remains quiet, it is prepared to increase the number of work permits. While several hundred thousand Palestinians have worked for decades in the rich Gulf Arab countries, those countries are not taking in more Palestinians (and Kuwait expelled 400,000 of them after the Gulf War in 1991, when they foolishly supported the Iraqi invasion of the country). The only country that is currently helping to reduce the Palestinian unemployment rate is the country the Palestinians blame for all their misery – Israel.

The Palestinians have been living off the international dole their entire lives. Every year about $1.6 billion are provided to UNRWA for the care and feeding — housing, medical care, education, food — of Palestinians in camps across the Middle East, including some in Gaza and the West Bank. More billions have been given by foreign donors directly to the PA and to Hamas. No Palestinians seem to think this state of affairs is to be deplored because it has created a permanent state of dependence. But they may have no choice but to learn to fend for themselves. They can no longer count on the largesse from the rich Arab states, whose leaders — with the Saudi Crown Prince in the lead — have expressed exasperation with Mahmoud Abbas, and are tired of endlessly supporting the Palestinians whose cause is no longer at the center of Arab concerns. They have already greatly decreased their aid, almost to zero, both to UNRWA and to the PA. Hamas continues to receive payments from the Gulf Arabs’ odd-man out — the one Arab state that supports the Muslim Brotherhood and its Gazan branch, Hamas — Qatar.


The Palestinians have three main problems.

First, for the Palestinians there is no possibility of democracy. Hamas rules with an iron fist in Gaza, and the PA rules despotically in the West Bank. If anyone dares to criticize the rulers, that person will be threatened, beaten, possibly imprisoned, or even, in some cases, killed. When Mahmoud Abbas, President-for-Life of the PA, realized that one of his critics, Nizar Banat, was becoming too effective in his criticism of Abbas’ corruption on social media, he had his goons beat Banat to death. That has, for now, muted the criticism of the thin-skinned rais in Ramallah. In Gaza, critics of Hamas are equally threatened. Few have forgotten how a well-known critic of Hamas, Osama Atallah, was tortured and then strangled by agents of the terror group.

The second is colossal corruption. Billions of dollars have been taken by just two Hamas leaders in Gaza. in the West Bank, Mahmoud Abbas and his two sons Tarek and Yasser, have built a business empire worth $400 million. And tens of millions of dollars have been shared by leaders in Hamas and Fatah leaders lower down on their respective totem poles. Anyone daring to speak out about corruption will threatened, imprisoned, or killed.

The third is the prioritizing of spending on the military and security services in both Gaza and in the PA-ruled parts of the West Bank. In Gaza, it is estimated that Hamas spends one-quarter of the budget on arming the group with advanced weapons, digging tunnels, training, and salaries for Hamas fighters. Imagine how much good that money could do if instead it were used to lessen food insecurity, beginning by improving crop yields and subsidizing staples, including bread, milk, chickpeas, and olive oil. And the same applies to the PA-ruled parts of the West Bank, where the staples could be subsidized by a government less corrupt, and determined to no longer support various overlapping security services which have a total of 42,000 men under arms in a population of 2.7 million. If the US, with a population of 335 million, had the same proportion of security forces to the general population as the PA, it would have six million men in uniform. Clearly, the PA could decrease the number of men in its security services, and spend the money saved on alleviating food insecurity, by transferring the amount saved on those salaries both to support Palestinian farmers, and to pay for food imports.

None of these – the despotism, the corruption, the misallocation of resources in both Gaza and the PA-ruled parts of the West Bank – have anything to do with Israel. Remember that, the next time you have to endure a world-of-woe lament from Mahmoud Abbas as to all the terrible things those Israelis are doing to make the lives of Palestinians so miserable.
Hamas and fatah sounds like UMNO and PAP. Or maybe all political leaders behave this way. They skim first, rest get the crumbs.
 

Likemeat

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Gaza Strip. The world"s largest open-air prison. With 2.3 million palestinians being oppressed on daily basis by Oppressor Israel
 

saynotomsm

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Ya right, you were forcefully evicted out of your house, left in the cold and it's your fault when you get sick because you have only yourself to blame. And when you retaliate, you will be brand as a terrorist. Let's not forget that Hamas was created by Israel.
WWll was over, nobody's going after the Jews anymore. Let alone these fake Jews. They should remain and stay where they were.
But no, cos the people behind Israel wanted to create Greater Israel. The same people behind literally very shit and chaos you are seeing in this world.
 

blackmondy

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Asset
Yes, absolutely.
Everybody seems to have valid points on this unfortunate situation.
Please bear in mind that taking land from the 700,000 Palestinians after WW2 and parachuting another race into their land, and then marshaling a great migration of mostly Europeans into this land of mostly Arabic people,hence sidelining these indigenous people into a smaller quarter , is definitely a recipe for unending conflict.
That population has increased to two millions plus and essentially been living in a prison called Gaza.
The Israeli has their fingers on most of their essential.. that is what food gets in, their water,etc.
If you have not lived in such conditions, please don’t pretend that you do.
Most Israeli are innocent as well, they are lured into this promised land by the West and their cronies.
If you know your neighbor is a violent bastard and is growing more violent by the day, won't you take action first to nip it in the bud?
 

k1976

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Ya right, you were forcefully evicted out of your house, left in the cold and it's your fault when you get sick because you have only yourself to blame. And when you retaliate, you will be brand as a terrorist. Let's not forget that Hamas was created by Israel.
WWll was over, nobody's going after the Jews anymore. Let alone these fake Jews. They should remain and stay where they were.
But no, cos the people behind Israel wanted to create Greater Israel. The same people behind literally very shit and chaos you are seeing in this world.
They only want to create ONE World Order.

Sadly some sawhei did an unthinkable mass murder acts on innocents, and even take hostages and made beedio to spread their self glorify hideous act...really really self do sin, cannot be forgiven

欠人得总是要还的
Peace upon u, bro
 

JohnTan

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Generous Asset
Yes, absolutely.
Everybody seems to have valid points on this unfortunate situation.
Please bear in mind that taking land from the 700,000 Palestinians after WW2 and parachuting another race into their land, and then marshaling a great migration of mostly Europeans into this land of mostly Arabic people,hence sidelining these indigenous people into a smaller quarter , is definitely a recipe for unending conflict.
That population has increased to two millions plus and essentially been living in a prison called Gaza.
The Israeli has their fingers on most of their essential.. that is what food gets in, their water,etc.
If you have not lived in such conditions, please don’t pretend that you do.
Most Israeli are innocent as well, they are lured into this promised land by the West and their cronies.

False analogy. A lot of Jews started to move back to their ancestral Israel since 1918. Arabs tried to carry out ethnic cleansing of Jews long before 1948. Here's one example from 1929.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
 

JohnTan

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If you know your neighbor is a violent bastard and is growing more violent by the day, won't you take action first to nip it in the bud?

I wouldn't. I'm afraid of being labelled islamophobic or racist. So lan lan.
 

JohnTan

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Generous Asset
Gaza Strip. The world"s largest open-air prison. With 2.3 million palestinians being oppressed on daily basis by Oppressor Israel

Complete nonsense. Even the turkish media used advertisement to promote tourism in gaza. Open air prison have malls and nice gardens?
moslems like you are full of shit.


 

superpower

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Israel imposing apartheid on Palestinians, says former Mossad chief

This article is more than 1 month old
Tamir Pardo comments, slammed by ruling Likud party, carry weight because of high regard for intelligence agency in Israel

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Chris McGreal
Wed 6 Sep 2023 23.12 BST

A former head of the Mossad intelligence agency has said Israel is imposing a form of apartheid on the Palestinians, joining a growing number of prominent Israelis to compare the occupation of the West Bank to South Africa’s defunct system of racial oppression.

But Tamir Pardo’s views will have added impact because of the high regard for Mossad in Israel and because they come at a time when far-right members of Israel’s government are moving to kill off any prospect of an independent Palestinian state.

Pardo told the Associated Press that Israel’s mechanisms for controlling the Palestinians, from restrictions on movement to placing them under military law while Jewish settlers in the occupied territories are governed by civilian courts, matched the old South Africa.

“There is an apartheid state here,” he said. “In a territory where two people are judged under two legal systems, that is an apartheid state.”

Pardo, 70, was appointed to head Mossad in 2011 by Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister then and now. Netanyahu’s Likud party said Pardo “should be ashamed” of his comments.

“Instead of defending Israel and the Israeli military, Pardo slanders Israel,” it said.

Successive Israeli governments have fought back against accusations of apartheid by characterising them as antisemitic out of concern the charge will fuel a boycott movement or open the way to prosecutions under international laws against apartheid.

But such allegations become harder to dismiss when they come from those within the Israeli establishment.

Pardo told the AP his views on the system in the West Bank were “not extreme. It’s a fact.”

He also warned that what has been described as Israel’s “forever occupation” threatens its existence as a Jewish state. “Israel needs to decide what it wants,” he said. “A country that has no border has no boundaries.”

Pardo is among the highest ranking former officials to draw the once taboo parallel with the old South Africa. Israel’s former attorney general, Michael Ben-Yair, said last year “that my country has sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime”.

The former speaker of the Israeli parliament, Avraham Burg, and the renowned Israeli historian, Benny Morris, are among more than 2,000 Israeli and American public figures who have signed a recent public statementdeclaring that “Palestinians live under a regime of apartheid”.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/19/israel-apartheid-state-south-africa-netanyahu
The open letter calls on US Jewish groups to speak out against the occupation of the Palestinian territories as “the elephant in the room” in the mass Israeli protests against Netanyahu’s deeply divisive judicial reforms which, it said, are intended to “annex more land, and ethnically cleanse all territories under Israeli rule of their Palestinian population”.

Prominent foreign officials have also invoked apartheid to described the situation in the occupied territories.

Earlier this year, the former Irish president Mary Robinson and the former UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon – representatives of The Elders group of global leaders founded by Nelson Mandela in 2007 – spoke about the “ever-growing evidence that the situation meets the international legal definition of apartheid” after visiting the West Bank.

They said Israeli government policies “clearly show an intent to pursue permanent annexation rather than temporary occupation, based on Jewish supremacy”.
 
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