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[WHERE IS SDP?] Anniversary of the 4 June Tiananmen Massacre. (六四天安门事件)

paulhong

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Any vigil here during the anniversary? It is only right that Hong Lim Park is to be used to commemorate the event. Where is SDP when we need them???????? :eek:

BBC News - June 4, 1989, Tiananmen Square Massacre

[video=youtube;XJBnHMpHGRY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJBnHMpHGRY[/video]
 
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Sideswipe

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the 1 million Chinese nationals in Singapore can go Hong Lim Park to protest against the CPC government on this Tiananmen Massacre issue.....
 

paulhong

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NABEY CHAO CHEE BYE! Who zapped me? :oIo::mad: :(

Who says SDP has nothing to do with all these?

SDP has helped the Burmese, Malaysians. Then why never help the PRCs?

SDP has protested the oppressive Burmese regime. Why not against the PRC government for their oppressive acts of rolling out the military against the poor PEACEFUL student demostrators?

SDP double standards?
 
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yellowarse

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SDP double standards?

Not double stds lah. Last time SDP protest here protest there, kau peh kau bu about human rights. In the end kena bankrupt, kena jailed.

Now they more interested in winning votes, get seat in parliament, so do walkabouts in HDB estates. Better to concentrate on S'pore voters than PRC.
 

paulhong

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Not double stds lah. Last time SDP protest here protest there, kau peh kau bu about human rights. In the end kena bankrupt, kena jailed.

Now they more interested in winning votes, get seat in parliament, so do walkabouts in HDB estates. Better to concentrate on S'pore voters than PRC.

So SDP is merely making use of the Burmese for their political posturing? Same like Aung San Su Kyi who has forsaken her supporters after she got elected?
 

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The move by the PRC government against those stooges at Tiananmen was correct. It was a scheme by the xtian west that later was repeated in Egypt, Libya, and not now (not so successfully) in Syria. Good move by the PRC against traitors.
 

yellowarse

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So SDP is merely making use of the Burmese for their political posturing? Same like Aung San Su Kyi who has forsaken her supporters after she got elected?

Not posturing. Just realized that S'poreans don't appreciate you for standing up for human rights, govt jail and bankrupt you. Better stick to local bread and butter issues lor if u want to win votes and go into parliament. They learning from WP, who's currently the most successful political party.
 
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tanwahp

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Not posturing. Just realized that S'poreans don't appreciate you for standing up for human rights, govt jail and bankrupt you. Better stick to local bread and butter issues lor if u want to win votes and go into parliament. They learning from WP, who's currently the most successful political party.

As long as they or their supporters don't position themselves as a special party above the rest will be good. On one hand say they are the most "righteous" and "courageous" while putting others down, on the other hand do what others are doing, that is having their cake and eat it.

I support your view that SDP should stay out of this. The world is so big and you can't protest for all the injustices in every country, yet protesting for a few makes you look selective, inconsistent and suspicious.
 

paulhong

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Not posturing. Just realized that S'poreans don't appreciate you for standing up for human rights, govt jail and bankrupt you. Better stick to local bread and butter issues lor if u want to win votes and go into parliament. They learning from WP, who's currently the most successful political party.

Sounds like SDP has no firm stance and they will do anything gain votes, that includes turning its back on human rights and going "populist" by following footsteps of WP?

What about those SDP activists who got convicted previously due to fortification of "peaceful demonstrations"? Isn't SDP forsaking them?

WP the most successful political party, why is that?
 
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paulhong

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burmaprotest_istana.jpg


and the freedom iron lady SDP supported has turned her back on the Rohinyas. This is what happened when politicians get elected.

Aung San Suu Kyi loses her gloss for failing to denounce killings

Where is Suu Kyi's famous 'moral authority' as Muslim Rohingya homes are razed to the ground?
BY Edward Loxton LAST UPDATED AT 07:33 ON Mon 29 Oct 2012

CHIANG MAI - The iconic international image of Burma's charismatic opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi is rapidly losing its lustre as she maintains her silence on the continuing violence in her country's westernmost Rakhine State.

The violence began in June, sparked by allegations that a Buddhist girl had been raped by Muslim men. After an uneasy lull, Buddhists again went on the rampage last week, killing more than 100 members of the Muslim Rohingya minority community, who have been suffering severe state persecution for decades.

Aerial photographs taken from the region show large areas of Muslim-populated towns and villages razed to the ground. About 70,000 people have so far lost their homes in the violence.

The Rohingya policy followed by the current government differs little from the discrimination inflicted by the military junta that ruled Burma for the past 50 years. Most Rohingya are regarded as non-Burmese Bengalis and are locked out of Burma's political and social structure and denied fundamental rights guaranteed by citizenship.

"Suu Kyi has lost much of her credibility because of her silence over these appalling events," SOAS University of London researcher Guy Horton told The Week. "Her evasiveness on one of the greatest human rights tragedies in the world today has lost her the commodity she has always had in abundance - her moral authority."

Horton is the author of a report on human rights violations in eastern Burma, Dying Alive, which contributed to the UN Security Council resolution in 2007 'Burma: A Threat to the Peace'.

Veteran Swedish journalist and author Bertil Lintner explained Suu Kyi's dilemma. If she condemned the attacks on Muslims, he told The Week, "many Buddhists - her main constituency - would turn against her. But if she says nothing, she'll lose credibility in the international community.

"She appears to have chosen the latter, and, consequently, criticism against her is growing among international human rights organisations and activists. From her point of view, that may be preferable to having domestic opinion, which is fiercely anti-Rohingya, turn against her."

Lintner, author of several books on Burma, who had talks with Suu Kyi in the Burmese capital Naypyidaw earlier this month, said she was already under pressure at home. "The problem is that her silence on the clashes in Rakhine state as well as the ongoing government military offensive against the Kachins in the north have already cost her a lot of popular support."

There are few Kachins who express any sympathy for Suu Kyi these days, Lintner went on, and even the Shan leader Khun Htun Oo said in an interview while he was in the US last month that she has become "neutralised". Many young Burmese are also becoming critical of her for other reasons, arguing that she has moved far too close to the government and the military.

But does Suu Kyi have any choice, if she wants to win the 2015 election? Guy Horton believes other great leaders "would have reacted differently and grasped the nettle...

"Gandhi, for instance, went on hunger strike to try to stop exactly the kind of horror of what is being inflicted in Rakhine State today. Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King - moral leaders with whom she is compared - would have shown solidarity with the victims and called for passive resistance. Instead, she has just collected prizes - including the US Congressional Medal of Honour - from a fawning world."

In Horton's view, it's no exaggeration to say that what is happening in Rakhine State is similar to the persecution endured by the Jews in 1930s Germany.

"It should be noted that a call by President Thein Sein for the deportation of the Rohingya or their forcible transfer into camps amounts to an incitement to commit a crime against humanity, as defined in the Rome Statute," Horton told The Week.

"In addition, the destructive targeting of a racial/religious group may amount to a form of genocide. The UN Special Rapporteur on Burma should renew his call for an investigation into crimes against humanity in Burma, which are not subject to the whims of political feasibility."

However, Maung Zarni, a Burma expert and visiting fellow at the London School of Economics, has a different view, telling the Associated Press: "Politically, Aung San Suu Kyi has absolutely nothing to gain from opening her mouth on this. She is no longer a political dissident trying to stick to her principles. She's a politician and her eyes are fixed on the prize, which is the 2015 majority Buddhist vote."

Horton challenged Zarni's view: "If she adopts such a position of cynical Realpolitik the long-term consequences are that she will lose not only her moral credibility, but the support of most ethnic people and possibly the 2015 election itself." ·
 

eErotica69

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NABEY CHAO CHEE BYE! Who zapped me? :oIo::mad: :(

Who says SDP has nothing to do with all these?

SDP has helped the Burmese, Malaysians. Then why never help the PRCs?

SDP has protested the oppressive Burmese regime. Why not against the PRC government for their oppressive acts of rolling out the military against the poor PEACEFUL student demostrators?

SDP double standards?

Must be those SDPPies. Never mind, fuck it. I up you 40 points!
 

eErotica69

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SDP has helped the Burmese, Malaysians. Then why never help the PRCs?

SDP has protested the oppressive Burmese regime. Why not against the PRC government for their oppressive acts of rolling out the military against the poor PEACEFUL student demostrators?

SDP double standards?


Dr Chee is crazy but he is not stupid....

He dare not offend PRC.
 

Reddog

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burmaprotest_istana.jpg


and the freedom iron lady SDP supported has turned her back on the Rohinyas. This is what happened when politicians get elected.

Aung San Suu Kyi loses her gloss for failing to denounce killings

Where is Suu Kyi's famous 'moral authority' as Muslim Rohingya homes are razed to the ground?
BY Edward Loxton LAST UPDATED AT 07:33 ON Mon 29 Oct 2012

CHIANG MAI - The iconic international image of Burma's charismatic opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi is rapidly losing its lustre as she maintains her silence on the continuing violence in her country's westernmost Rakhine State.

The violence began in June, sparked by allegations that a Buddhist girl had been raped by Muslim men. After an uneasy lull, Buddhists again went on the rampage last week, killing more than 100 members of the Muslim Rohingya minority community, who have been suffering severe state persecution for decades.

Aerial photographs taken from the region show large areas of Muslim-populated towns and villages razed to the ground. About 70,000 people have so far lost their homes in the violence.

The Rohingya policy followed by the current government differs little from the discrimination inflicted by the military junta that ruled Burma for the past 50 years. Most Rohingya are regarded as non-Burmese Bengalis and are locked out of Burma's political and social structure and denied fundamental rights guaranteed by citizenship.

"Suu Kyi has lost much of her credibility because of her silence over these appalling events," SOAS University of London researcher Guy Horton told The Week. "Her evasiveness on one of the greatest human rights tragedies in the world today has lost her the commodity she has always had in abundance - her moral authority."

Horton is the author of a report on human rights violations in eastern Burma, Dying Alive, which contributed to the UN Security Council resolution in 2007 'Burma: A Threat to the Peace'.

Veteran Swedish journalist and author Bertil Lintner explained Suu Kyi's dilemma. If she condemned the attacks on Muslims, he told The Week, "many Buddhists - her main constituency - would turn against her. But if she says nothing, she'll lose credibility in the international community.

"She appears to have chosen the latter, and, consequently, criticism against her is growing among international human rights organisations and activists. From her point of view, that may be preferable to having domestic opinion, which is fiercely anti-Rohingya, turn against her."

Lintner, author of several books on Burma, who had talks with Suu Kyi in the Burmese capital Naypyidaw earlier this month, said she was already under pressure at home. "The problem is that her silence on the clashes in Rakhine state as well as the ongoing government military offensive against the Kachins in the north have already cost her a lot of popular support."

There are few Kachins who express any sympathy for Suu Kyi these days, Lintner went on, and even the Shan leader Khun Htun Oo said in an interview while he was in the US last month that she has become "neutralised". Many young Burmese are also becoming critical of her for other reasons, arguing that she has moved far too close to the government and the military.

But does Suu Kyi have any choice, if she wants to win the 2015 election? Guy Horton believes other great leaders "would have reacted differently and grasped the nettle...

"Gandhi, for instance, went on hunger strike to try to stop exactly the kind of horror of what is being inflicted in Rakhine State today. Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King - moral leaders with whom she is compared - would have shown solidarity with the victims and called for passive resistance. Instead, she has just collected prizes - including the US Congressional Medal of Honour - from a fawning world."

In Horton's view, it's no exaggeration to say that what is happening in Rakhine State is similar to the persecution endured by the Jews in 1930s Germany.

"It should be noted that a call by President Thein Sein for the deportation of the Rohingya or their forcible transfer into camps amounts to an incitement to commit a crime against humanity, as defined in the Rome Statute," Horton told The Week.

"In addition, the destructive targeting of a racial/religious group may amount to a form of genocide. The UN Special Rapporteur on Burma should renew his call for an investigation into crimes against humanity in Burma, which are not subject to the whims of political feasibility."

However, Maung Zarni, a Burma expert and visiting fellow at the London School of Economics, has a different view, telling the Associated Press: "Politically, Aung San Suu Kyi has absolutely nothing to gain from opening her mouth on this. She is no longer a political dissident trying to stick to her principles. She's a politician and her eyes are fixed on the prize, which is the 2015 majority Buddhist vote."

Horton challenged Zarni's view: "If she adopts such a position of cynical Realpolitik the long-term consequences are that she will lose not only her moral credibility, but the support of most ethnic people and possibly the 2015 election itself." ·

Aung San Suu Kyi is a British Citizen and her entire family resides in UK. It will be a sad day for Myanmar if it is ruled again by Great Britain via proxy.
 

paulhong

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Aung San Suu Kyi is a British Citizen and her entire family resides in UK. It will be a sad day for Myanmar if it is ruled again by Great Britain via proxy.

Are Vincent Wijeysingha and Kenneth Jeyaretnam British citizens? They have spent most of their lives in UK.
 

paulhong

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Today is the anniversary of 4 June Tiananmen Massacre. (六四天安门事件). Where is SDP? Why didn't SDP go Hong Lim Park hold vigil?

Human rights not universal? :rolleyes: The PRC who suffered the military rage during 4 June 1989 are lesser humans in SDP's eyes? :rolleyes:
 

paulhong

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where r all the SDP supporters?

Today is the anniversary of 4 June Tiananmen Massacre. (六四天安门事件). Where is SDP? Why didn't SDP go Hong Lim Park hold vigil?

Human rights not universal? :rolleyes: The PRC who suffered the military rage during 4 June 1989 are lesser humans in SDP's eyes? :rolleyes:
 

Sideswipe

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Today is the anniversary of 4 June Tiananmen Massacre. (六四天安门事件). Where is SDP? Why didn't SDP go Hong Lim Park hold vigil?

Human rights not universal? :rolleyes: The PRC who suffered the military rage during 4 June 1989 are lesser humans in SDP's eyes? :rolleyes:


there are many massacres under oppressive regimes all over the world. you want SDP to hold vigil, every week at Hong Lim Park ? :rolleyes:
 

paulhong

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there are many massacres under oppressive regimes all over the world. you want SDP to hold vigil, every week at Hong Lim Park ? :rolleyes:

now that Hong Lim Park is available for them to hold speeches, y r they not making full use of it? :rolleyes:
 
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