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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/north-korea-trump-bloody-nose-dispute/index.html

Trump advisers clash over 'bloody nose' strike on North Korea
By Zachary Cohen, Nicole Gaouette, Barbara Starr and Kevin Liptak, CNN

Updated 0642 GMT (1442 HKT) February 1, 2018





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Washington (CNN)The tabled nomination of a widely-respected diplomat is bringing renewed focus to divisions inside the Trump administration over how tough the US should be in positioning against North Korea with nuclear tests expected to resume after the upcoming Olympics.

The nomination of the long-rumored candidate to be US ambassador to South Korea, Victor Cha, was pulled last weekend after he warned the White House that a so-called "bloody nose" strike against Pyongyang would risk pulling the US into a disastrous war that would endanger hundreds of thousands of lives.

Ambassador candidate dropped over stark warning on North Korea

That's largely in line with the caution that's being urged by Defense Secretary James Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
But others in the administration, including President Donald Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster, have insisted that a military strike be considered as a serious option as a way to exact maximum pressure on Pyongyang.
And it's that tension that was on display when Cha's nomination was pulled.
"It seems that there are divisions within the administration," Bruce Klinger, a former CIA officer and a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, told CNN's Brooke Baldwin Wednesday.
"As the SecDef has stated there are a wide range of military options available to the President but it is important to note that this is still a diplomatically led effort," Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Chris Logan told CNN. "As far as specifics go we will not discuss operational details or potential military options."
State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said, "Our policy is maximum pressure with the goal of bringing North Korea to the negotiating table, as POTUS said in the State of the Union. We have been clear that it is our intention to resolve this issue peacefully through dialogue. We have also been clear that denuclearization is the only acceptable outcome, that the entire international community is united on this point, and that it will be achieved, one way or another."
The National Security Council did not respond to CNN's request for comment.
Months after the administration began the proceedings leading up to a nomination, Cha was asked by NSC officials whether he felt prepared to manage diplomatic efforts that would surround such a strike, including the potential evacuation of American civilians from Seoul, a source familiar with the dynamic told CNN.
Cha expressed concerns about such a strike, which he laid out in a Washington Post op-ed on Tuesday.
Under that strategy, the aim is for the US to initiate a military strike significant enough to force North Korea to question its nuclear ambitions but limited in scale as to avoid retaliation.

Mattis has a crucial task -- stopping Trump from going to war with North Korea

After the exchange with Cha, the White House went mostly silent, even as the South Koreans were in the process of approving his nomination in the process known as agrément.
Ultimately, some White House officials feared that nominating someone opposed to such a strike could undermine that military option in the eyes of members of Congress and administration officials, according to the source familiar with the debate.
They feared Cha would become a pawn in the intra-administration debate over the "bloody nose" strike, both during his confirmation hearings and when installed at the embassy in Seoul, the source said.
McMaster has emerged as a leading administration voice in preparing for such action and has been backed up by the NSC's top Asia official, Matt Pottinger, according to the source.
Another source acknowledged an internal discrepancy on the "bloody nose strategy" between the hawkish NSC and several top administration officials -- including Mattis and Tillerson -- who have advocated a more cautious approach.

Source: Trump to give 'eye-opening' remarks on North Korea

But the continued push to legitimize a limited preemptive strike option is raising questions, even outside the administration.
"The idea of a 'bloody nose' strike against North Korea makes little sense because it has the potential for escalating response and strategic miscalculation, while gaining little concrete advantage," said Jamil N. Jaffer, founder of GMU's National Security Institute and former Chief Counsel to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
"A more sensible approach to further North Korean aggression would be a significant change to our military posture in the region," said Jaffer, who also served in the Bush White House and is currently a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution.
North Korea analyst Gordon Chang says the decision to pull Cha is "ominous."
"It means that people are seriously considering a strike on North Korea," Chang said. "This is an indication that we are headed to war. And there are so many - there are so many other options that the United States can pursue and we are not having meaningful discussions, including sanctions on North Korea's backers and more sanctions in general."
Trump used his first State of the Union address on Tuesday to slam the "depraved character of the North Korean regime" in an effort to rally the nation around a common threat, but new indications that his top national security advisers disagree over the best path forward have raised concerns that the President is actively considering a limited first strike option to send a message to Pyongyang.
While often eager to confront North Korean leader Kim Jong Un both verbally and via Twitter, his threats of "fire and fury" have largely been tempered by assurances from top advisers -- like Mattis and Tillerson -- who insist the US remains committed to prioritizing a peaceful resolution to tensions with Pyongyang.
Most of Trump's top national security advisers have said that military options should be reserved pending an imminent threat to the US or allies, but McMaster has repeatedly suggested otherwise -- even hinting that war is a real possibility and one that could come soon.
The US would likely win a military conflict with North Korea should tensions devolve into war, but would face a very difficult fight that would likely yield significant casualties on both sides, according to Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. Robert Neller.

Top US general warns of 'tough' North Korean ground war

War with North Korea "will be a very, very kinetic, physical, violent fight over some really, really tough ground and everybody is going to have to be mentally prepared," he recently said.
CIA Director Mike Pompeo has warned "North Korea is ever closer to being able to hold America at risk."
Pompeo said it could be just a " handful of months" before North Korea might be able to demonstrate the capability to put a warhead on a missile that could reach the US.
"Their testing capacity has improved and the frequency with which they have tests which are materially successful has also improved."
CNN's Elise Labott contributed to this report
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.35dc75ae2dc8

Trump-FBI feud over classified memo erupts into open conflict


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The Washington Post’s Devlin Barrett analyzes the disagreements between the FBI and the White House over a memo alleging surveillance abuse by the FBI. (Video: Bastien Inzaurralde/Photo: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

By Josh Dawsey, Devlin Barrett and Karoun Demirjian January 31 at 11:45 PM Email the author
The long-simmering feud between President Trump and the Justice Department erupted into open conflict Wednesday when the FBI publicly challenged the president’s expected release of a contentious and classified memo related to the probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

In a rare unsigned statement, the FBI cited “grave concerns” with inaccuracies and omissions in the four-page memo, which was written by House Republicans and alleges abuses at the Justice Department connected to secret surveillance orders. Trump has told advisers that the memo could benefit him by undercutting the special counsel’s investigation and allow him to oust senior Justice Department officials — and that he wants it released soon, something that could happen as early as Thursday.

“We have grave concerns about the material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy,” the FBI said.

The extraordinary statement pits the nation’s top federal law enforcement agency against a commander in chief who already has fired one FBI director and has repeatedly expressed a desire to remove the attorney general and others connected to the Russia investigation. That probe, led by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, is aimed in part at determining whether any Trump associates coordinated with Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election and investigating any related issues.

The FBI’s public warning came after several days of failed attempts by FBI Director Christopher A. Wray and other Justice Department officials to convince the president and his senior staff in private meetings that the memo should be blocked because it poses a risk to national security.

Trump was captured on video Tuesday night after his State of the Union address telling a South Carolina congressman that he was angry about the memo’s conclusions and would “100 percent” release it. “Don’t worry about it,” Trump told Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.), who was urging its disclosure.

[FBI challenges accuracy of GOP’s surveillance memo]

Wray has repeatedly tried to warn the White House against releasing the disputed document — including a visit to the White House on Monday afternoon with Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein to lobby Chief of Staff John F. Kelly. Later that night, Wray called Kelly again, but Kelly did not give ground, saying the president was inclined to release the memo, according to people familiar with the call who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the conversation. Justice Department officials have been leery of talking to Trump about the memo, given the ongoing Russia inquiry, these people said.

Trump wants the memo released in upcoming days, according to senior White House officials and advisers who said the president sees it as key to making changes at the Justice Department — particularly pushing out Rosenstein, who oversees Mueller’s investigation and who Trump regularly derides in mocking terms. One senior administration official said that the White House had already heard and dismissed the FBI’s arguments and that the memo could be released as early as Thursday.

Officials said the FBI issued the statement knowing that it would probably not affect the decision. Within the FBI, many are resigned to the prospect that it will be made public soon but want to make clear their strong disagreement with the document’s claims and offer at least a general rebuttal, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations.

The unsigned statement is likely to further exacerbate tensions between Trump and senior officials at the Justice Department. While raging about the special counsel’s investigation over the past year, the president has fired FBI Director James B. Comey; shamed and sought to oust Attorney General Jeff Sessions; excoriated FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who stepped aside this week; and talked repeatedly about shoving aside Rosenstein.

Few things have frustrated Trump as much as the law enforcement agencies he cannot fully control. Allies say he is upset that he can’t control “my guys” at the “Trump Justice Department” and that no one seems particularly loyal to him. He has also broken long-held protocols by directly calling Justice Department officials, and instructed his chief of staff to do the same, without the White House counsel on the phone.

Rather than lessen his trouble, these and other actions have opened new avenues in Mueller’s probe, which has included questions for witnesses about potential obstruction of justice and the president’s behavior.

[How a classified four-page Russia memo triggered a political firestorm]

The memo in dispute was written by staffers for House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) earlier in January after the panel obtained documents related to a controversial dossier of allegations concerning Trump and his purported ties to Kremlin officials.

The memo alleges that the British former spy who wrote the dossier, Christopher Steele, passed bad information to the FBI — though people familiar with the document said it does not determine whether he did so intentionally or by mistake. The memo alleges that the information was used in an application to conduct surveillance on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, according to people familiar with the matter. Officials familiar with the Page case have said Steele’s information represented a small part of the secret court document.

Late Wednesday night, Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the panel’s ranking Democrat, accused Nunes in a letter of making “material changes” to the memo before sending it to the White House — meaning the memo panel members voted to make public was not the same one as the president is presently reviewing.

Schiff accused Nunes of “deliberately misleading” the committee and demanded that Nunes withdraw the version he sent to the White House, insisting that “there is no longer a valid basis for the White House to review the altered document” and approve its public release.

A spokesman for the Republican majority of the committee called the changes “minor edits.”

In a statement late Wednesday, the spokesman, Jack Langer, said, “In its increasingly strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo, the Committee Minority is now complaining about minor edits to the memo, including grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves.”

It is highly unusual for the White House and the FBI to be so publicly at odds over a matter of national security, and it was unclear what impact the disagreement might have on the standing of Wray, Rosenstein or Sessions.

Trump has told advisers that Wray should make personnel changes more quickly at the FBI, but they have urged the president to have patience. Wray is a favorite of Trump adviser Chris Christie and represented the former New Jersey governor in an investigation over bridge lane closings for political retribution.

Senior FBI officials say the GOP memo’s allegations of abuse are inaccurate and unfair, but they also believe the FBI would not be able to effectively counter those claims, because many of the details are classified, according to current and former officials. And they have argued to Kelly and other White House officials, including White House counsel Donald McGahn, that such a release would set a bad precedent.

“The FBI takes seriously its obligations to the FISA Court and its compliance with procedures overseen by career professionals in the Department of Justice and the FBI,” the statement said, referring to the court that oversees use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. “We are committed to working with the appropriate oversight entities to ensure the continuing integrity of the FISA process.”

[Justice Department officials appealed to White House to halt release of memo]

The senior Justice Department officials have grown concerned that the White House’s process, which is supposed to include a review by lawyers and National Security Council officials, is not sufficiently thorough.

“No one here is going to make a decision that jeopardizes national security,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday morning on CNN. “There’s always a chance” the memo won’t be released, she said.

Trump allies have said for weeks the president will want the document released and that it is only a matter of time. Later Wednesday morning, Kelly told Fox News radio that the memo will “be released here pretty quick.”

The House Intelligence Committee voted along party lines Monday to make the document available to the public after Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and other conservatives lobbied Trump on the memo’s release during the government shutdown fight.

Trump supporters say that Justice Department officials are simply trying to protect their own controversial decisions and that abuses deserve to be aired. Nunes called FBI objections to the memo’s release “spurious.”

“It’s clear that top officials used unverified information in a court document to fuel a counterintelligence investigation during an American political campaign,” Nunes said in a statement. “Once the truth gets out, we can begin taking steps to ensure our intelligence agencies and courts are never misused like this again.”

The Intelligence Committee’s ranking Democrat, Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), has accused Nunes of orchestrating an “effort to circle the wagons around the White House and distract from the Russia probe.”

Schiff has suggested Nunes coordinated with the Trump administration to release the memo, saying that “it is hard for me to escape the conclusion that this is anything but doing the bidding of the White House,” according to a transcript, made public Wednesday, of the committee’s closed-door meeting Monday night.

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When Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.) asked during the same meeting whether Nunes had coordinated with the White House to release the memo, the chairman said, “As far as I know, no.” When pressed whether his staff had done so, Nunes refused to answer.

Sanders said in the CNN interview that Trump was “not aware of any conversation or coordination” between Nunes and the White House on the production or release of the memo. But she did not rule out the possibility, saying, “I just don’t know the answer.”



Elise Viebeck, John Wagner and Carol D. Leonnig contributed to this report.


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Josh Dawsey is a White House reporter for the Washington Post. He joined the paper in 2017. He previously covered the White House for POLITICO and New York City Hall and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for The Wall Street Journal.
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Devlin Barrett writes about national security and law enforcement for The Post. He has previously worked at the Wall Street Journal, The Associated Press, and the New York Post, where he started as a copy boy.
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Karoun Demirjian is a congressional reporter covering national security, including defense, foreign policy, intelligence and matters concerning the judiciary. She was previously a correspondent based in the Post's bureau in Moscow, Russia.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/north-korea-trump-bloody-nose-dispute/index.html

Trump advisers clash over 'bloody nose' strike on North Korea
By Zachary Cohen, Nicole Gaouette, Barbara Starr and Kevin Liptak, CNN

Updated 0642 GMT (1442 HKT) February 1, 2018





Now Playing

Watch North Korea's huge new missile launch 00:51
Washington (CNN)The tabled nomination of a widely-respected diplomat is bringing renewed focus to divisions inside the Trump administration over how tough the US should be in positioning against North Korea with nuclear tests expected to resume after the upcoming Olympics.

The nomination of the long-rumored candidate to be US ambassador to South Korea, Victor Cha, was pulled last weekend after he warned the White House that a so-called "bloody nose" strike against Pyongyang would risk pulling the US into a disastrous war that would endanger hundreds of thousands of lives.

Ambassador candidate dropped over stark warning on North Korea

That's largely in line with the caution that's being urged by Defense Secretary James Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
But others in the administration, including President Donald Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster, have insisted that a military strike be considered as a serious option as a way to exact maximum pressure on Pyongyang.
And it's that tension that was on display when Cha's nomination was pulled.
"It seems that there are divisions within the administration," Bruce Klinger, a former CIA officer and a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, told CNN's Brooke Baldwin Wednesday.
"As the SecDef has stated there are a wide range of military options available to the President but it is important to note that this is still a diplomatically led effort," Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Chris Logan told CNN. "As far as specifics go we will not discuss operational details or potential military options."
State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said, "Our policy is maximum pressure with the goal of bringing North Korea to the negotiating table, as POTUS said in the State of the Union. We have been clear that it is our intention to resolve this issue peacefully through dialogue. We have also been clear that denuclearization is the only acceptable outcome, that the entire international community is united on this point, and that it will be achieved, one way or another."
The National Security Council did not respond to CNN's request for comment.
Months after the administration began the proceedings leading up to a nomination, Cha was asked by NSC officials whether he felt prepared to manage diplomatic efforts that would surround such a strike, including the potential evacuation of American civilians from Seoul, a source familiar with the dynamic told CNN.
Cha expressed concerns about such a strike, which he laid out in a Washington Post op-ed on Tuesday.
Under that strategy, the aim is for the US to initiate a military strike significant enough to force North Korea to question its nuclear ambitions but limited in scale as to avoid retaliation.

Mattis has a crucial task -- stopping Trump from going to war with North Korea

After the exchange with Cha, the White House went mostly silent, even as the South Koreans were in the process of approving his nomination in the process known as agrément.
Ultimately, some White House officials feared that nominating someone opposed to such a strike could undermine that military option in the eyes of members of Congress and administration officials, according to the source familiar with the debate.
They feared Cha would become a pawn in the intra-administration debate over the "bloody nose" strike, both during his confirmation hearings and when installed at the embassy in Seoul, the source said.
McMaster has emerged as a leading administration voice in preparing for such action and has been backed up by the NSC's top Asia official, Matt Pottinger, according to the source.
Another source acknowledged an internal discrepancy on the "bloody nose strategy" between the hawkish NSC and several top administration officials -- including Mattis and Tillerson -- who have advocated a more cautious approach.

Source: Trump to give 'eye-opening' remarks on North Korea

But the continued push to legitimize a limited preemptive strike option is raising questions, even outside the administration.
"The idea of a 'bloody nose' strike against North Korea makes little sense because it has the potential for escalating response and strategic miscalculation, while gaining little concrete advantage," said Jamil N. Jaffer, founder of GMU's National Security Institute and former Chief Counsel to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
"A more sensible approach to further North Korean aggression would be a significant change to our military posture in the region," said Jaffer, who also served in the Bush White House and is currently a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution.
North Korea analyst Gordon Chang says the decision to pull Cha is "ominous."
"It means that people are seriously considering a strike on North Korea," Chang said. "This is an indication that we are headed to war. And there are so many - there are so many other options that the United States can pursue and we are not having meaningful discussions, including sanctions on North Korea's backers and more sanctions in general."
Trump used his first State of the Union address on Tuesday to slam the "depraved character of the North Korean regime" in an effort to rally the nation around a common threat, but new indications that his top national security advisers disagree over the best path forward have raised concerns that the President is actively considering a limited first strike option to send a message to Pyongyang.
While often eager to confront North Korean leader Kim Jong Un both verbally and via Twitter, his threats of "fire and fury" have largely been tempered by assurances from top advisers -- like Mattis and Tillerson -- who insist the US remains committed to prioritizing a peaceful resolution to tensions with Pyongyang.
Most of Trump's top national security advisers have said that military options should be reserved pending an imminent threat to the US or allies, but McMaster has repeatedly suggested otherwise -- even hinting that war is a real possibility and one that could come soon.
The US would likely win a military conflict with North Korea should tensions devolve into war, but would face a very difficult fight that would likely yield significant casualties on both sides, according to Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. Robert Neller.

Top US general warns of 'tough' North Korean ground war

War with North Korea "will be a very, very kinetic, physical, violent fight over some really, really tough ground and everybody is going to have to be mentally prepared," he recently said.
CIA Director Mike Pompeo has warned "North Korea is ever closer to being able to hold America at risk."
Pompeo said it could be just a " handful of months" before North Korea might be able to demonstrate the capability to put a warhead on a missile that could reach the US.
"Their testing capacity has improved and the frequency with which they have tests which are materially successful has also improved."
CNN's Elise Labott contributed to this report
 
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