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Whatever it is something has to be done to our public transport system

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Tuesday, July 12, 2011

The flipside of privatisation....



Two pieces of news appeared recently:

1. Transport Operators seek fare increase [Link].
2. Govt finding ways to integrate private and public healthcare[Link]

In the past 2 decades, many govts including the PAP believed that privatisation of govt services will bring about greater efficiency in the provision of these services. While it is true for the initial years after privatisation, the efficiency gains quickly tampers off while the profit motive of these privatised enterprises stick around forever.

About a decade ago, the PAP govt had this idea to turn Singapore into a medical hub for the rich in the region. More private hospitals were build. Resources shifted from public hospitals to the private sector to treat foreign patients and the rich. If you go to a public hospital to visit someone today, you will find that the hospitals almost every single hospital bed is filled. If you visit a private hospital, very often you find that most of the beds are empty.There are private hospitals today allow rich patients to purchase private suites that are used only for themselves and their family members. The best specialists and surgeons move to the private sector because they get paid more for seeing fewer patients - one of them, a Dr. Susan Lim, billed her patient $20M for dedicating the entire resource of her practice to a single patient. Cost of medical care spirals up and begin to ampllify the effects of the widening income inequality in our society. In our eagerness to become a medical hub, we have made the some of the same mistakes as the Americans in believing that privatisation will lead to good results - we are seeing cost spirals and inefficient use of resources unter the present system. Minister Tharman now wants to fix it by tapping resources lost to private hospitals.

Here's a picture of Minister Liu Tuck Yew taking the MRT. I'm always happy to see minister try out first hand the system under their purview. Suppose one day you contract a bad case of food poisoning and have to be hospitalised at a govt hospital - you are treated like evey other Singaporeans that goes t. You wake the next morning to find the health minister, Mr Gan, in the same ward treated by the same doctors - now that would really change your view of the PAP leadership wouldn't it? Ordinary citizens appreciate the idea of having leaders who put themselves in the shoes of the people. That was what Minister Liu did for a few days - experience something that ordinary Singaporeans have to cope with every single day.

I'm not impressed by the transport operators request to raise the fares again. Why? I took a bus today and it was so packed, I stood on the steps at the entrance of the bus. The people behind me couldn't get on/ When the SBS was privatised, it was hoped that privatisation would bring about greater efficiency in its operations. All the gains in efficiency probably occurred its first few years as a private company. As a listed company, they need to answer to shareholders and the profit motive would dominate how it operates. Running a bus service that is frequent enough for passenger to be seated comfortably through the ride is not a profitable thing to do. Packing every bus to the limit is a lot better for the bottomline. Keeping to the minimum standards of quality of service laid out by the transport authority would be most optimal for profits - there is no motivation to do any more than that. Passengers have other no choice - our cars are the most expensive in the world and controled by a strict quota. Taking taxis during peak hours can be 10 times more expensive so there is no real competition for our public transport operators for force them to improve the quality of service further.

Suppose profits is not important and the comfort of bus passengers is the most important goal.
The following figures are extracted from SBS Transit's latest quarterly financial report:

Figures in '000 S$.
Staff costs - 72,044

Repairs and maintenance - 20,140
Fuel and electricity costs- 29,743) 25.3
Premises costs - 7,787
Depreciation expense - 11,261
Other operating expenses - 14,641

Total operating expenses ; 155,616

It costs a total of S$155M to run the public bus system. Roughly $620M per year. The profit is about 10% of the cost.

Suppose we want to improve the live of the millions of Singaporeans who take the bus everyday. Lets say the govt spends, say, another $300M. Maybe to provide an overlay network of buses to complement the current bus system and improve service during peak hours. To improve the bus service tremendously we are talking about an additional spending roughly several hundred million dollars, say, $300M. This amount can transform the lives of millions of Singaporeans because they would be able to get to work in much greater comfort everyday. To put things in perspective $300M is less than 3% of our annual defense budget which has grown to $12.08B much of which is spent on systems that will likely turn obsolete without seeing any real action in war given the current geopolitical climate.
Instead of a transport service provider that tries to maximise its profit by pushing down service quality to as low as possible, we can elevate the quality of life of millions of Singaporeans by putting in place a transport system that puts the comfort and convenience of commuters at the top of its priorites. This is money that has a direct impact on the lives of Singaporeans and we can do it not by spending more in our annual budget but reallocating a small portion of it for this purpose. The Worker's Party suggests re-nationalising the public transport system and then combining the SMRT & SBS Transit to get cost savings. Whatever it is something has to be done to our public transport system because it greatly affects our quality of life. A "for-profit" transport system that is a monopoly will always limit the quality of service and the question is whether we should be doing something more instead of tweaking this system so that just continue to meet basic standards.

Posting Time <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2011/07/flip-side-of-privatisation.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2011-07-12T22:51:00+08:00>10:51 PM</ABBR>
Posted by Lucky Tan
 
Today 10.15am was at JE MRT interchange. Waited for train for 10 mins and mangaged to get into a sardine packed train with others still left behind to wait for the next train.
 
Didn't they hire an Australian company to study the public transport system in Spore:confused:

What happened to the report, recommendation, etc :confused:
 
Didn't they hire an Australian company to study the public transport system in Spore:confused:

What happened to the report, recommendation, etc :confused:

IIRC they recommended spending (i.e. squandering) more millions to upgrade our farecard system, which IMHO had been working fine in the first place.
 
IIRC they recommended spending (i.e. squandering) more millions to upgrade our farecard system, which IMHO had been working fine in the first place.

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don't get me started on the tap card system...HK already have the system in place for more than 10 years n they are working fine...and this system go on to be widely accepted in convenience stores, purchases.

Singapore? they have similar lofty plans but it has fell flat on the face. HK system is straight forward, straight fare, regardless the distance travelled on buses. MTRs, they have tiered fares. Why cannot Singapore do the same? Instead, you have distance-based, time-based that KNN, end up overcharging and LTA is slow in refunding and hardly anyone understands how the fares are calculated.

The ministers talk until cows come home that if transport companies dun make profits, service levels will drop and vehicles not maintained...WTF...LTA subsidise with grants the various initiatives esp those WCA buses. I am all for making buses accessible to wheel chair bound passengers and old folks by having friendly designs...but in doing so, each bus actually has reduced sitting and standing capacity...when replacing buses with WCA buses, have SBS and TIBS realise they are not merely replacing buses 1 for 1? They need to factor in the capacity change?

And with transport fares rising every year - where is the so called service level? Customer satisfaction has bordered on 60%+ - you call that high service level?
 
I don't think the problem is increasing the number of buses. That's easy. The bus companies make so much freaking money I seriously doubt it's an issue of whether they can afford it. I see the issue as, where in the world are they going to find the bus drivers to drive those buses in the first place

Singapore? they have similar lofty plans but it has fell flat on the face. HK system is straight forward, straight fare, regardless the distance travelled on buses. MTRs, they have tiered fares. Why cannot Singapore do the same? Instead, you have distance-based, time-based that KNN, end up overcharging and LTA is slow in refunding and hardly anyone understands how the fares are calculated.

Hong Kong Straight fares meh? I went to Hong Kong take different routes pay different amount, certain routes seems more exp then others. Or am I misinterpreting your post
 
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IIRC they recommended spending (i.e. squandering) more millions to upgrade our farecard system, which IMHO had been working fine in the first place.

Is that all the Australian study achieved:eek:
If the study was so superficial I bet that some PAP cronies profited from doing the study:rolleyes:

I found the older fare cards better, once you selected your fare, that was it. Unlike the tapping system where you have to remember to tap on the way out or be penalized with the highest fare. It's especially a pain when your hand are full:mad:

The tapping system only benfits SBS/SMRT & not the consumers. It allows them to more easily increase fares & to hide their mistakes.

People also have to pre-pay their fares. Whatever $$$ you put into your ezy link card, "they" have your money. :(
 
share with ccb rubbish... stinking and rude. stuck in traffic everyday, ccb, who let the dogs out?
 
Is that all the Australian study achieved:eek:
If the study was so superficial I bet that some PAP cronies profited from doing the study:rolleyes:

I found the older fare cards better, once you selected your fare, that was it. Unlike the tapping system where you have to remember to tap on the way out or be penalized with the highest fare. It's especially a pain when your hand are full:mad:

The tapping system only benfits SBS/SMRT & not the consumers. It allows them to more easily increase fares & to hide their mistakes.

People also have to pre-pay their fares. Whatever $$$ you put into your ezy link card, "they" have your money. :(

you mean sinkie still had that ang mor superiority mindset and get ang mor to study sinkie system. Sinkie cannot study themselves? Oh god.

And why this thread is about how bad this and that are. When you bunch of loser dun even have the balls to fight for your rights and throw out the one who managed the whole sinkie system.


ang mor is the same as others, nothing superior. The only difference is that they are not a sinkie so they got the balls to fight for what is right and remove what is wrong, that is why they are advanced in their country.
 
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CB kia tonychat,

i dunno much about genes, but i m damn bloody sure we sporeans have better genes than thai ladyboys and okt that pimps their thai ladyboy wife (meaning u). :D
 
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don't get me started on the tap card system...HK already have the system in place for more than 10 years n they are working fine...and this system go on to be widely accepted in convenience stores, purchases.

Singapore? they have similar lofty plans but it has fell flat on the face. HK system is straight forward, straight fare, regardless the distance travelled on buses. MTRs, they have tiered fares. Why cannot Singapore do the same? Instead, you have distance-based, time-based that KNN, end up overcharging and LTA is slow in refunding and hardly anyone understands how the fares are calculated.

The ministers talk until cows come home that if transport companies dun make profits, service levels will drop and vehicles not maintained...WTF...LTA subsidise with grants the various initiatives esp those WCA buses. I am all for making buses accessible to wheel chair bound passengers and old folks by having friendly designs...but in doing so, each bus actually has reduced sitting and standing capacity...when replacing buses with WCA buses, have SBS and TIBS realise they are not merely replacing buses 1 for 1? They need to factor in the capacity change?

And with transport fares rising every year - where is the so called service level? Customer satisfaction has bordered on 60%+ - you call that high service level?


hi there


1. red, you know hk very well leh!
2. sheepishland is no way to hk mah.
 
you mean sinkie still had that ang mor superiority mindset and get ang mor to study sinkie system. Sinkie cannot study themselves? .......

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Don't you know that there are alot of ex-Sporeans now in Australia. Many of them were ex-civil servants & I'm wouldn't be surprised if they still have ties with the PAP:rolleyes:
 
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