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What the WP should do at this juncture

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[h=2]Attack On Blockheads II[/h]
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If you still harbour positive thoughts about human nature the way WP is responding to SDP should dispel any positive notion of it.
In my recent article ‘Attack On Blockheads”, I wrote that power corrupts and the mere whiff of it is intoxicating.
All the heavy lifting after the last GE has been done by the netizens and WP has been doing all it could to avoid land mines by not speaking up on national issues but instead concentrated on Town Council matters. The recent AIMGATE emanated from a Town Council issue.
All of us are well aware that the Singapore vehicle is in need of a major overhaul but WP is insisting – by its cooperative silence on national issues – only cosmetic colour makeover will do.
No one is denying that bread and butter issues of Town Council are important to the residents that voted them into parliament. But if WP’s idea of rescuing Singaporeans from the clutch of an oppressive government is merely to give it a different shade of color with some minor tweaking – an infamous policy of the ruling party – here and there, we are all in for a rude shock the day WP is in the driver’s seat.
SDP by going into the fray in the forthcoming By-Election will only make the job of unseating PAP much harder for the Opposition parties. It is most unwise for them to do this but my personal thoughts on the matter is CSJ is wise to the direction WP is taking. And this political manoeuvre by SDP calling for talks on avoiding multi-corner fights is designed to cast a light on the political direction WP is heading: a warning perhaps to the rest of Singaporean the devil you don’t know may be bigger than the one you do know.
It bears reminding that as opprobrious as the ruling party may be, it is the wrong road to take if WP takes the high road now, and insists it is the heir apparent to take over the ruling party while brooking no other political parties to stand in its way in achieving total domination of local polity.
In this scenario we will merely be replacing the devil we know with the devil we don’t.
What the WP should do at this juncture is to take this opportunity to organise a gathering of all the Opposition parties, without any prior terms and conditions, to come to an agreement over who should contest the Ponggol East ward. At the same time there should also be a general agreement over which political party should be contesting which ward, etc. in the GE 2016. The reason why it should be done now is because during GE 2016 there wouldn’t be enough time to come to any agreement without messy and unseemly public altercation.
Yes, there will be plenty of horse trading and compromises but it should be done now if ever the Opposition parties wish to avoid votes splitting in GE 2016. Failure on the part of the WP to take the initiative – not leadership – to organise a meeting of all Opposition parties to plan a strategic assault on the ruling party stranglehold on Singapore will only give detractors plenty of ammunition to create a divided Opposition.
I stand by what I have written in my previous article: “Unfortunately, politics, being what it is, is an ugly beast and I do not foresee the WP as having enough common sense to take the initiative now to avoid unpleasant conflicts among Opposition parties during GE 2016.”
Power corrupts and the mere whiff of it is intoxicating!
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My opinion is that there is no reason for voters in PE to swing to WP unless there is so pressing a local issue (or issues) for them against the government.

I can safely rule out any other opposition parties in getting much credible votes. The WP must therefore go for any pressing local issues AND general issues that have bearing on their lives and how they are presently being governed. They must be made to feel that their votes will make a major difference in passing a clear message to the PAP that they really must change - not just in so-called promises and having "conversation".

Unfortunately the tactics of Chee and KJ are making more voters wary of the creditabliity of the opposition.
 
The various parties are using the BE as an authentic reality check on their standing in a real-life situation - and from which to develop springboard plans for 2016. And this includes the WP. A good showing, they can become 'big brother' with some authority and then perhaps take the 'opposition leader' more officially. Trouble is, when clowns like Desmond (4% during GE) is also going round fish markets shaking hands, and KJ promising to move to Punggol East if he wins (shows how politically naive he really is!), results may not be what they seem.

Note for KJ - the WP office has been in Jalan Besar area for donkey years and they did not win there.....
 
WP should continue to work the ground like what they has always been doing in Punggol East. People will recognise their sincerity and hardwork. Just ignore other opposition who want to disturb and use their party power.
 
Yes we should not allow the WP to control the agenda. Either they lead to unite the opposition forces or they are betraying the cause.
 
WP should continue to work the ground like what they has always been doing in Punggol East. People will recognise their sincerity and hardwork. Just ignore other opposition who want to disturb and use their party power.

fully agree...the problem with the other oppo parties is that they DO NOT work the ground enuff and want Instant success....

a layman voter is not fucking interested in what DR CHEEBYE writes some fucking intellectual fuckshit.
 
fully agree...the problem with the other oppo parties is that they DO NOT work the ground enuff and want Instant success....

a layman voter is not fucking interested in what DR CHEEBYE writes some fucking intellectual fuckshit.

Sorry cannot agree with you. I want to know whether WP is going to continue with their bochap attitude.
 
Sorry cannot agree with you. I want to know whether WP is going to continue with their bochap attitude.

confirm BOCHAP to idiotic Chee.
WILL YOU CHAP A MAD DOG?

hahahaha.....Chee is a born loser from the start.
Lazy, bad heart, liar.
 
[h=2]What the WP should do at this juncture
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Do nothing. Let anyone who want to contest, contest. Let the results speak for itself. Sooner or later after losing deposit money again and again, they will get the message.
 
WP is part of the opposition but WP would rather be apart from the opposition.

law of the jungle. negotiation is pointless. WP will annihilate rest of the oppositions. WP will take any constituencies that they desire. nothing wrong too. survival of the fittest.
 
I do not agree that WP has a bochap attitude,,PAP is still very dominant and no matter what WP do in parliament it will not change a thing. The only thing it can do is work the ground concentrate on the grassroots to secure its powerbase. I bet if SDP wins a seat,,the constituency will definately revert back to PAP the next time. SDP will go out and attack the PAP like what JBJ did and get kicked out by PAP,,,WP is biding its time,,and to me,,if my MP does a good job with my constituency my vote goes to them.. the problem is PAP town councils are being run to the ground with higher cost all the time,,,please note,,WP have only a few seats,,it cant do much even if it wanted too,,a good general chooses when to attack, when to consolidate,,,and its consolidating pretty well,,,if Aljunied is run well and constituents are happy,,and PAP councils are run like crap,,,who do u think the vote will go to? And please its the cabinet ministers job to run the country,,,is WP in power? so too all WP detractors,,,shut the fuck up,,,I also think that most that KPKB about WP did not even vote wp or are not living in aljunied and hougang,...

Sorry cannot agree with you. I want to know whether WP is going to continue with their bochap attitude.
 
Sorry cannot agree with you. I want to know whether WP is going to continue with their bochap attitude.

A lot of people cannot understand the difference between strategy and what you stand for. Strategy is what you do at the period to achieve your objective. What you stand for is what you have close to your heart as you work towards your objective. As long as your supporters know what you stand for, you don't have to keep wearing it on your sleeves all the time.
 
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Do nothing. Let anyone who want to contest, contest. Let the results speak for itself. Sooner or later after losing deposit money again and again, they will get the message.

In fact this could be a watershed election for the Opposition at the cost of losing a seat. It could turn out very well.
 
A lot of people cannot understand the difference between strategy and what you stand for. Strategy is what you do at the period to achieve your objective. What you stand for is what you have close to your heart as you work towards your objective. As long as your supporters know what you stand for, you don't have to keep wearing it on your sleeves all the time.


simply said. WP choose to put aside whatever ideologies, values and principles that they had and bow down to whatever political realism in the current circumstances.
 
WP is part of the opposition but WP would rather be apart from the opposition.

law of the jungle. negotiation is pointless. WP will annihilate rest of the oppositions. WP will take any constituencies that they desire. nothing wrong too. survival of the fittest.

I don't think WP is opposed to having some understanding with friendly opposition but definitely not with parties that are trying to sabotage them and spreading lies that they are PAP team B or Chinese Chauvinist.
 
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simply said. WP choose to put aside whatever ideologies, values and principles that they had and bow down to whatever political realism in the current circumstances.

There are not many opportunities to put across new ideas in Parliament. You are limited by both time and relevance. Also the PAP can choose not to comment on them or just give token comments. MSM can also do their part to gloss it over. On the other hand if the PAP gives you pleasure of a full discussion (if they do, it is possibly that they are able to spot some holes in it), it is likely that they will tear it apart. I am not impressed with any of these SDP alternative plans. If I can spot some holes in them, I am sure the PAP will be able to destroy them. It is not a question of being scared or timid as detractors would like to portrait. That is the practical reality of the situation - 81 : 6.

And why do I not appreciate SDP's alternative plans? Because SDP is so obsessed with its socialist ideas that they have become overbearing. While these could help those in the dumps but when applied across wider strata, they actually do more harm than good. To me the alternative world as presented in SDP's plans appeared very gloomy as if from a science fiction dystopia society. There are simpler ways to solve these problems than turning society on its head.

The old fashion socialist concept of society today is dead. Any socialist elements that must be there to help the deprived must coexist with a good dose of capitalism. ST has an article comparing two forms of meritocracy - trickle down and trickle up (when we talk of meritocracy, we are actually talking about capitalism). Interesting read.

If I just emerged from a bankruptcy, maybe I would also think that it is a Utopian world but most people who have been used to capitalism for so long will reject it. Know your constituents. At the moment WP knows this better than the rest.
 
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I don't think WP is opposed to having some understanding with friendly opposition but definitely not with parties that are trying to sabotage them and spreading lies that they are PAP team B or Chinese Chauvinist.


think WP should go their own way alone ( i.e. no alliance like Chiam SDA ) but still could advocate opposition unity for appearance's sake only.
 
think WP should go their own way alone ( i.e. no alliance like Chiam SDA ) but still could advocate opposition unity for appearance's sake only.

To talk of alliance as in all answering to the leadership of a single party, I think we are not there yet.

Although there are some who have claimed that the other opposition parties are ready to grant WP the leadership, I don't really think so. Even discarding the obvious challenges from SDP and RP, I don't think the other opposition parties are willing to make that offer.

The problem is not with WP but with the others. WP of course will not want to surrender this role if it is there. It is like asking PAP to give up the seat of government. To draw an analogy to Chee's proposal to WP: PAP to occupy 81 of the 87 seats in parliament but leave the role of government to SDP.

But that said, I think there is a very good chance that some friendly parties like NSP and SPP can come to some understanding with WP in GE2016. The fact that they unconditionally decided not to take part in BE PE is a good omen of things to come.
 
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