What The ''GREAT'' Nelson Mandela Did For South African Blacks......

[GOD IS MY DOG]

In 1990, 2 weeks before freed from prison, Nelson Mandela said:


"The nationalization of the mines, banks and monopoly industries is the policy of the African National Congress."

"The people shall govern! All national groups shall have equal rights!"

"The people shall share in the country's wealth!"

"The land shall be shared among those who work it!"

"All shall be equal before the law!"

"All shall enjoy equal human rights!"

"There shall be work and security!"

"There shall be houses, security and comfort!"




Mandela could have followed what Hugo Chavez successfully instituted in Venezuela but instead...........


The vast majority of black society is worse off than under apartheid.

People living on less than $1 a day doubled.

80% of South African children suffered poor health, 25% under age 6 were ill nourished.

More South Africans died from malnutrition and preventable diseases than under apartheid.

25% of South Africa's budget goes for interest on national debt.

1 death and 12 serious injuries for each ton of gold mined. 1/3 of workers contract deadly lung disease and left on their own to suffer and die.

Unemployment soared to 48% though official figures are 26%

Youth unemployment exceeds 50%. About 80% of unemployed young people never had jobs longer than a year.

2 million South Africans lost their homes. Another 1 million lost their farms. Shack dwelling increased 50%.

25% of South Africans have no running water or electricity. Around 40% of schools have no electricity.

About 50% of South Africans have inadequate sanitation. Around 40% have no telephones.

Post-apartheid, life expectancy declined by 13 years, below that of Afghanistan.

 

[kopiuncle]

It was safer to travel to South Africa before Mandela took over.

Now every step you take is a dangerous step and nobody wants to travel to South Africa anymore. Towns like Pretoria and Johannesburg are danger zones and you see unemployed youths roaming the streets and standing at corners, just waiting for
an unwary prey.

LIFE for the liberated Blacks are far far worse off. The Whites still have their own enclaves and well protected zones. Many businesses are closed and many have left. Some Singaporeans have returned home.

So what has the great man done for the people of South Africa? Freedom ?

 

[bakkuttay]

It was safer

your marriage vows to ilovesingapore exposed.
see post #193 in daily rubbish

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Basically he replaced whit oppression with black oppression. This proves that democratisation must b done properly. After mandela became president. He basically went to sleep n never see the process through. Much like Sun Yat Seng. Left china in a mess. SA has heaps of resources etc but cronyism is soo entrench there. Spore is going through that n will get worse if the Familee does not get kick out n pap gets reformed.

 

[meepokboy]

Nelson Mandela did good, but could have been so much better. there was control when the angmohs were there. the blacks rule that place now. street triads, mafias, anytime anywhere you can see young children wielding guns and engaging in some transgression.

 

[Leongsam]

Nelson Mandela did good, but could have been so much better. there was control when the angmohs were there. the blacks rule that place now. street triads, mafias, anytime anywhere you can see young children wielding guns and engaging in some transgression.

What good did he do? Give me some concrete examples... not just some motherhood statements he made.

 

[Asterix]

Scums in White and their brigade have absolutely no shame
Fooling Sinkies about what’s going on in Peesai’s not enough
For some South Africa was safer under Apartheid
If you were white or even Chinese or Japanese
Apartheid classified them as honorary whites
For the vast majority they were not safe
Not from robbers but from the police
Will South Africa have a “born free” generation of happy blacks
If it were not for freedom fighters like Mandela and Tambo

PS: This is a great thread to spot Lightning’s brigade, bwahahaha. You must archive it for future reference.

South Africa's 'born free' generation living the life Mandela dreamed of
Despite criticism from elders, post-apartheid generation say the greatest tribute they can pay their nation's late leader is to look to the future

Sitting in her comfortable suburban living room 45 minutes east of Johannesburg, Nokuthula Magubane, 18, was doing something close to unthinkable to older generations of black South Africans - she was affectionately praising Afrikaans.

"It's such a laid-back and beautiful language," she said.

Mandatory instruction in Afrikaans during apartheid was one of the sparks that set off the Soweto student uprisings of 1976.

Hundreds of young people, many younger than Magubane, were killed. Countless others chose to abandon education rather than receive instruction in what they considered the language of the oppressor.

It was a seminal moment in the struggle against apartheid, and the day of the uprising, June 16, became national Youth Day in the new South Africa.

But to Magubane, "at the end of the day, Afrikaans is just a language".

Such feelings are common among members of Magubane's generation, known as the "born frees" because they were born after the end of apartheid, or just before it ended, and are too young to remember it.

And while they certainly know Nelson Mandela, who died on Thursday, it is almost impossible for them to grasp what it was like to see him emerge from prison in 1990 and become president in the nation's first fully democratic elections four years later.

The born-frees make up a huge segment of the population - about 40 per cent, according to census figures.

Older South Africans say they are apathetic and apolitical, unaware of the history of the struggle that made their lives better.

But the born-frees have another name as well - the Mandela generation - and they insist that their determination to look to the future and not the past is the greatest tribute they can pay him.

"Yes, we were oppressed by white people. Yes, it happened. Yes, it hurt," Magubane said. "But let us forgive each other so that we can move on fully and contribute fully to the South Africa we want to see in the future."

Akhumzi Jezile, a 24-year-old producer, television personality and speaker, says the born-frees are portrayed as apathetic because they do not respond with the same emotion, or in the same numbers, as the Soweto generation does during Youth Day marches and similar remembrances.

"It's not a matter of not understanding apartheid. It's just a matter of us having different challenges," he said. "We are fighting our issues."

He pointed to education campaigns led by young people to fight the scourges of substance abuse, crime and HIV infection.

"We cannot talk about apartheid every day for ever," he said.

Now, young people are more likely to socialise with people of another race, according to the Reconciliation Barometer, a yearly gauge of public opinion.

"It seems young people may be developing deeper relationships across historic dividing lines, beyond just interaction," last year's Barometer reported.

Born-frees are also overwhelmingly optimistic, the Barometer found.

"Now there are no boundaries," said Miles Mabaane, 18, a resident of Vosloorus, southeast of Johannesburg. "We young people have the potential to come up with new strategies of how to save the country, how to do things better, how to accommodate everybody."

Most black South Africans 20 years ago would not have recognised the life Magubane leads.

A third of her friends are white. She has known many of them since she started school. She calls her white choir leader "Tanni Christine", or "Auntie Christine" in Afrikaans.

As for Mandela, she said: "We have seen his example and now we're going to follow it. We're going to take it one step further into the future, and we're going to build the South Africa that he would have loved to see."

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/arti...n-free-generation-living-life-mandela-dreamed

 

[Leongsam]

As for Mandela, she said: "We have seen his example and now we're going to follow it. We're going to take it one step further into the future, and we're going to build the South Africa that he would have loved to see."

All this crap belongs to the same genre that Mandela sprouted.

If the life expectancy has shrunk by 13 years, unemployment up to 50%, shanty towns getting larger by the week, dreams are probably all they have left to get them through the day.

Might as well preach about how great the afterlife will be for the Mandela generation after they kick the bucket at an early age.

 

[Sideswipe]

Nelson Mandela won South Africa back for the majority Blacks. his legacy was solely built on that and it is all that matters to the Blacks of South Africa. Mandela's maladministration of the country can be ignored and is unimportant...

the West talked about Mandela being magnanimous in victory. it is actually not too hard to do it. even the big evil Mao Zedong was quite magnanimous toward his old KMT adversaries in his later years.

 

[Asterix]

All this crap belongs to the same genre that Mandela sprouted.

If the life expectancy has shrunk by 13 years, unemployment up to 50%, shanty towns getting larger by the week, dreams are probably all they have left to get them through the day.

Might as well preach about how great the afterlife will be for the Mandela generation after they kick the bucket at an early age.

Old farts like you should keep their mouths shut if they have nothing sensible to say.

Under apartheid, ALL the blacks lived in shanty towns. You expect all of them to be housed in luxurious condominiums just because apartheid was abolished? 50% living in shanty towns now means 50% have ceased to live in shanty towns. Get this into your Sinkie frog in the well head.

This is a real life 18 year black South African expressing hope for the future. Note, an overwhelming majority of the born free generation are optimistic. Can that be said of the overwhelming majority of Sinkies of similar age? I see many here complain how life was better in Peesai in the 60s and 70s. This kind of talk you will only hear in South Africa from the White Afrikaans and maybe the honorary whites. If you were a black South African and you said that, they will tell you to go and get your head examined!

I won't even bother to talk about life expectancy except that this is the kind of crap that one would expect from a kiasu kiaboh and KIASI low life SINKIE!

:oIo::kma:

 

[Leongsam]

This is a real life 18 year black South African expressing hope for the future. Note, an overwhelming majority of the born free generation are optimistic. Can that be said of the overwhelming majority of Sinkies of similar age?

I'm not disputing the fact that the Mandela factor could have resulted in a more positive outlook towards life. However, the same effect can be achieved by inhaling a bit of weed. Unfortunately, there comes a point when the effect wears off in both instances and cold hard reality sets in.

Remove the sugar coated rhetoric and what do you have?... a failed nation where the situation is getting worse by the day.

Mandela made no effort to improve a single aspect of SA society. He made a pact with his former masters to keep the peace, enjoyed a few years in the limelight knowing full well he didn't have the clout to effect change and quietly slunk away leaving the country in a worse state than it was before.

 

[rushifa666]

they celebrated him as a man who lost 27 years of his life under a repressive regime. You are the only one who is carrying on about his achievements. They were cheering on his release, not on his presidential career. Typical chinese. Always about results and wealth

 

[Asterix]

I'm not disputing the fact that the Mandela factor could have resulted in a more positive outlook towards life. However, the same effect can be achieved by inhaling a bit of weed. Unfortunately, there comes a point when the effect wears off in both instances and cold hard reality sets in.

You need to take a less literal approach to things. Maybe the literal approach that you are now taking is because you are high on weeds. She is optimistic because she sees that things are not perfect but can be improved. Most importantly she knows that destiny is in the hands of her people. It is not weed, but an objective assessment of the situation. It is also an objective assessment of the situation that led the generation of blacks before her to struggle to overthrow apartheid. For they know that under it, they can only remain slaves.

Remove the sugar coated rhetoric and what do you have?... a failed nation where the situation is getting worse by the day.

It is not rhetoric that blacks are now citizens of South Africa whereas under Apartheid they were treated as migrants. It is not rhetoric that ALL blacks not only lived in shanty towns then, they were not even allowed to move out of those shanty towns under the homeland system. Now only 50% of them live in shanty towns and they are free to move about in the country that was theirs before the white set foot.

Mandela made no effort to improve a single aspect of SA society. He made a pact with his former masters to keep the peace, enjoyed a few years in the limelight knowing full well he didn't have the clout to effect change and quietly slunk away leaving the country in a worse state than it was before.

This is not about Mandela. This is about that useless piece of shit they now call the Old Fart.

On the one hand you have a man who is widely regarded as the father of a South Africa for Africans, quite accidentally as it was part of the ANC's collective campaign plan. On the other hand, you have another who goes out of the way to claim credit for things that he didn't do and writes tons of books and mobilise lots of public resources to create a fiction that he was the father of modern Singapore, but the people think otherwise. One fought for liberation, another joined the Kempeitei for a more comfortable life.

Bottom line is compare 5 years of Mandela's rule with Old Fart's rule from 1959 to 1964 taking into account the difference in colonial legacy that each had to start with. I am still waiting for your statistics on this score.

 

[Leongsam]

Bottom line is compare 5 years of Mandela's rule with Old Fart's rule from 1959 to 1964 taking into account the difference in colonial legacy that each had to start with. I am still waiting for your statistics on this score.

Stop pretending. All the stats that matter have already been posted. Name me one measurable index that has improved since the end of Apartheid. Don't give me airy fairy stuff like "hope", "optimism" etc. Feel good factors don't put food on the table of those who go hungry.

 

[Asterix]

Stop pretending. All the stats that matter have already been posted. Name me one measurable index that has improved since the end of Apartheid. Don't give me airy fairy stuff like "hope", "optimism" etc. Feel good factors don't put food on the table of those who go hungry.

Stop pretending that you don't understand. It is about how things have improved for the period when a leader is in charge taking into account where he started from.

What was achieved in 1964 with regards to what was left by the British to the Old Fart in 1959? Compare that with what was achieved at the end of Mandela's five year term with regards to what was left by the whites after decades of apartheid and exploitation.

You dumb or what? Give me 2013 statistics for fuck! This is not just airy fairy, it is STUPID. Don't have those statistics or afraid that such statistics will show Old Fart in a bad light just say so!

:oIo::kma:

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Just my 2 cents. The end of aparthied was not carried out properly hence things r worse than before. As a result many see the old days as better. It also proves that the indigenous Africans cant run the country properly.

 

[tanwahtiu]

well, what the whites did to SA blacks cannot be compare to what whites did to the Chinese in Asia. But what Mandela did to His black people is good enough as in free the people from the whites.

The white jailed black Mandela for 27 years whereas this evil Hakka jailed his own Chinese people for 32 years. This can compare LKY and Mandela. Both are lawyers by trades and one lawyer was jailed the other lawyer jailed own people, that is the difference.

SA was not a peaceful transaction to independence and believe SA did not have WW2 to deal with. For Mandela is a major defeat for the Whites.

For Singapore it was shameful Whites Brit that run road from war with Japs and surrendered. When they returned they have no further interest to continue governing Singapore and time to go back with some dignity left.

Cannot compare apple with orange. Mandela left SA with press freedom and freedom of speech and it is all need to rebuild the country.

In Singapore all old men pass age 55 CPF@55 has been robbed by own Chinese people, with no press freedom and freedom of speech how will the old people get their life savings money back. In situation like this it is better be a poor country than be rich on papers only.

I'm not disputing the fact that the Mandela factor could have resulted in a more positive outlook towards life. However, the same effect can be achieved by inhaling a bit of weed. Unfortunately, there comes a point when the effect wears off in both instances and cold hard reality sets in.

Remove the sugar coated rhetoric and what do you have?... a failed nation where the situation is getting worse by the day.

Mandela made no effort to improve a single aspect of SA society. He made a pact with his former masters to keep the peace, enjoyed a few years in the limelight knowing full well he didn't have the clout to effect change and quietly slunk away leaving the country in a worse state than it was before.

 

[jw5]

Those of you who want to continue debating with him, please carry on because it is rather entertaining, but you should also take a look at the attached thread, especially post#11.

http://singsupplies.com/showthread....ldstore-in-Singapore-–-Commemorating-50-years

 

[Asterix]

Acting must look like real to be considered good acting. The actor must immerse himself or herself fully into the role including making a good show of being angry if that is what is required.

 

[Leongsam]

well, what the whites did to SA blacks cannot be compare to what whites did to the Chinese in Asia. But what Mandela did to His black people is good enough as in free the people from the whites.

Mandela never freed the blacks. All he did was take the key to the cell from the whites and handed it over to the blacks who now suppress their own along tribal lines replacing skin color.

The only change for the slum dwelling population is that their slums have got bigger.

Women are even worse off as male politicians impose tribal values on the populations they govern.