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What really happened at Tiananmen? Must Read!

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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...ntary/really-happened-tiananmen/#.U4_SlJSSy6W

BY GREGORY CLARK


Over the years the “black information” people in the U.S. and U.K. governments have had some spectacular successes — the myth that the Vietnam War was due to Beijing using Hanoi as a puppet to head its advance into Asia, that Iraq harbored weapons of mass destruction, that Kosovar ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Kosovo was in fact Serbian ethnic cleansing of Kosovars, and now the claims that Moscow was responsible for the pro-Russian protesters in eastern Ukraine. But the greatest achievement of them all still has to be the myth of a June 4, 1989, Tiananmen Square massacre, with talk of hundreds if not thousands of protesting students mowed down by military machine guns.

In recent years the Tiananmen massacre story has taken something of a beating as people in the square that night, including a Spanish TV unit, have emerged to tell us that there was no massacre, that the only thing they saw was a military unit entering in the late evening and asking the several hundred students still there quietly to leave. So the “massacre” location has been moved to the streets around the square, and with the 25th anniversary of the event coming up we see the “unprovoked massacre” story being used for yet another round of Beijing bashing.

And the facts? Fortunately we have the detailed hourly reports from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, available on the Internet, to give us the true story.

Yes, there was something close to a massacre in those streets, with some of the units originally sent to clear the square of students turning their guns wildly on the crowds that had tried to block their approach. And to find out why the soldiers did such an atrocious thing we do not have to look much beyond those widely publicized photos of military buses in rows being set on fire by those protesting crowds.

To date the world seems to have assumed that those buses were fired by the crowds after the soldiers had started shooting. In fact it was the reverse — that the crowds attacked the buses as they entered Beijing, incinerating dozens of soldiers inside, and only then did the shooting begin. Here too we do need not go far to find the evidence — in the not publicized photos of soldiers with horrible burns seeking shelter in nearby houses, and reports of charred corpses being strung from overpasses.

True, the crowds had had their reasons for protesting. I traveled extensively in China in the early 1970s, soon after Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution movement was launched.

I saw firsthand the grotesque and insane abuse to which the entire nation had been subjected. If I had been a Chinese student or citizen in those days, I would have been among the protesters, even as late as 1989.

The regime seemed to realize this, which is why it tolerated the student protest in the square for six weeks despite the enormous loss of face and inconvenience. Its party secretary general even tried to negotiate. It only moved to take back the square after the negotiation failed and the students were beginning to disperse.

But by this time the crowds around the square were both large and ominous. The embassy reports note that the regime’s first move was to send in unarmed troops using the subways and easily blocked by the crowds. Armed troops were then sent in with the results we know. But even then only some of the units went berserk (soldiers tend to go that way when some of the comrades are barbecued: Ask the citizens of Fallujah, Iraq). Other units tried to restrain them. And the action was outside, not inside, the square.

So whence the machine-gun massacre claim? Here too we do not have to look far — to a story a week later in a pro-British, English-language Hong Kong newspaper written under the name of an alleged student demonstrator claiming to have fled China, but whom no one has been able to find. Front-paged by The New York Times on June 12, it quickly traveled the globe, and we have been living with it in one form or another ever since. Not a single Western reporter in Beijing that night seems to have bothered to check out what actually happened; presumably they found a much wider audience for their stories of blood and gore.

Fortunately in addition to the U.S. Embassy reports we now have a detailed 1998 study by the Columbia Journalism Review titled “Reporting the Myth of Tiananmen and the Price of a Passive Press” that tracks down “the dramatic reports that buttressed the myth of a student massacre.”

Right from the beginning we should have had our doubts about the “massacre” stories.

Why would a Beijing regime under Deng Xiaoping seeking reform in so many areas of Chinese society want so deliberately and viciously to attack harmless students, who traditionally have led the reform movements in China — which many pro-Communist leaders had joined in the past?

If one has to fault the regime it is in the failure to train troops in crowd control — a mistake that even hardline regime members later admitted. Ironically their later effort to import crowd control equipment was blocked by the United Kingdom acting under the Western arms embargo imposed as a result of the fictitious machine-gun massacre report that their own black information people had almost certainly helped create.

Other strange details later to emerge included a report that Reuters, the British new agency, refused to publish a photo of a charred corpse strung up under an overpass — a photo that would have done much to explain what had happened. And we now discover that the widely distributed photo of Tankman — the lone student standing before a row of army tanks and heavily publicised as showing brave defiance against a cruel regime — was in fact taken the day after Tiananmen events, and the tanks were moving away from, and not into, Tiananmen Square.

Some have noted the frustration a student leader calling for blood in the streets as the prolonged square protest was winding down with no seeming result, And some have asked how those protesters came to use gasoline bombs against the troops — a weapon not used by Chinese rioters — and why so many vehicles came to be destroyed. This in turn could explain the regime’s anger, and its subsequent efforts to track down and punish student leaders. But even without these details it should be clear that the so-called Tiananmen Square Massacre was not quite the clear-cut evil of much Western imagination.

Gregory Clark, a former Australian diplomat, speaks Chinese and is a long-term resident of Japan. A Japanese translation of this article will appear on www.gregoryclark.net
 

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If indeed soldiers were burned in buses carrying them
Such incident would have been recorded on video
In any case everybody knows why soldiers were there
To suppress the people's rights and not to serve
Anyway I seriously doubt any Sinkie will do this ... ...


[video=youtube;YeFzeNAHEhU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU[/video]
 

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In the Tianaman affair soldiers garrisoned far away from Beijing were brought in to crush the demonstration. Obviously these soldiers would have little connection & sympathy to those living in Beijing.

In the case of Spore, Sporeans are living in the same village. Therefore Sporeans might hesitate to kill other Sporeans:confused: It may be the reason why LKY & family must rely on foreign MPs to carry out their anti-Sporean policies. Same reason why LKY relies on the Gurkhas for his security
 

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Massacre or not,it does not matter,the true fact is China is going the correct path of becoming one of the economic miracles and stronger day by day to the extend the 2 big bullies of modern history Japs and US are getting nervous and restless as shown in the recent Shangrila event!
 

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The Tiananmen protests then was instrumental to the economic freedoms made available to many PRC citizens today, so their protests were not in vain. However, it is unlikely that their will be political freedom in PRC. Despite the economic gains and improved wealth there, many PRC people would still want to leave the country to settle in western democracies like USA, Canada and Australia for personal and family reasons.

Cheers!
 

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If indeed soldiers were burned in buses carrying them
Such incident would have been recorded on video
In any case everybody knows why soldiers were there
To suppress the people's rights and not to serve
Anyway I seriously doubt any Sinkie will do this ... ...


[video=youtube;YeFzeNAHEhU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU[/video]

Have you seen the PRC citizens outside China now? THey have the "PRC" logic which defied normal socially trained behaviour. Same thing with that bunch of uncouth student "leaders" who mostly went overseas, live a good life. For example, a Taiwanese donor even complaint that she saw Wu-er Kaxi and his friends spending the funds for branded clothing in United States. This PRC "behaviour" is unfortunately a result of the no respect for order or authority kind training instilled during Mao's time.

Anyway the PRC citizens seeking overseas passport is more for good life. Nothing to do democrazy. Same with Indian people (from the largest "democrazy" country). These all freakin world politics is just about division of resources (money, land, etc). Same like the Singaporeans who used to enjoy "good life" under PAP, now turning against them. Much less to do with human rights, more to do with getting less resources. China is unfortunately a highly populated country with little resources, so Chinese people from the time of Song Dynasty onwards (when it was the most populated country till now) has been migrating overseas.
 

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One of my ex-girlfriend's older brother was a student who took part in the TAM protest in 89. Was told the central government's witch hunt on student protesters went on for months even after June 4. Luckily he was not one of those who was dragged away from his dorm in the middle of the night.

That generation of Chinese students has gone on to make good for themselves. Last I heard, my ex-gf's brother became a successful technopreneur developing business software for Chinese SMEs. Many of his cohorts have also emigrated to the west after making their fortune as business pioneers in the opening Chinese economy during the 90s.

On hindsight, the TAM incident can now be regarded as the Chinese Spring. It released people's delayed angst over the wasted decade known as Mao's Cultural Revolution; and it awakened the Chinese youth to savour Democracy (and the associated values of Freedom, Enterprise etc) for the first time. This is comparable to the Flower power social movement in the 60s.
 

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Have you seen the PRC citizens outside China now? .................

Yes I have seen plenty and from various strata of society. I have also seen useless PAP IBs using mind tricks and hoping that daft Sinkies don't know the difference between one, some and all. Quite crazy for the White Scums to hire such useless bums.

[video=youtube;KAuNROD9zHM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAuNROD9zHM[/video]
 

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In the Tianaman affair soldiers garrisoned far away from Beijing were brought in to crush the demonstration. Obviously these soldiers would have little connection & sympathy to those living in Beijing.

In the case of Spore, Sporeans are living in the same village. Therefore Sporeans might hesitate to kill other Sporeans:confused: It may be the reason why LKY & family must rely on foreign MPs to carry out their anti-Sporean policies. Same reason why LKY relies on the Gurkhas for his security

if gurkhas go on a roll who they gg to call? ghost busters?
 

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The Tiananmen protests then was instrumental to the economic freedoms made available to many PRC citizens today, so their protests were not in vain. However, it is unlikely that their will be political freedom in PRC. Despite the economic gains and improved wealth there, many PRC people would still want to leave the country to settle in western democracies like USA, Canada and Australia for personal and family reasons.

Cheers!


Tianamen protests shaped China's economic policies ?
 

Asterix

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Tianamen protests shaped China's economic policies ?

只要不反政府 什麽 都可以做
many other useful pointers in the video
yawn, I'm too lazy to interpret
Sinkies in Little Red Dot must do it for themselves
life is good for successful upgraders

[video=youtube;pD83beLAR6Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD83beLAR6Q[/video]
 

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Tianamen protests shaped China's economic policies ?

No, not totally. China, when Deng Hsiao Peng took control already was viewing economic reforms and changes. The Tiananmen incident just speeded things up. China is a large country and will get all kinds of people of different categories, some are pro gahmen, some are not, some rich and successful, others still struggling. That's part of life. I had supervisor from PRC who emigrated because he wanted a second child and the country's laws forbade him. Below is an article from an ex-PRC too. There are many things going on in China and we on the outside will only see a little of it, and we have our own concerns to really bother about them.

Cheers!

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgarian-remembers-tiananmen-massacre-1.1853027

Calgarian remembers Tiananmen Massacre

Michael Franklin, CTV Calgary
Published Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:14PM MDT
Last Updated Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:50PM MDT

On the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, one Calgarian who was involved in the protests is looking back and holding out hope that something will change.
In 1989, Lu Decheng and his two companions defaced a painting of Mao Zedong with eggs filled with paint.
They were one of the lucky ones, getting away with their lives as the Chinese Army killed and injured thousands of unarmed protesters in the Square all calling for democracy.

25 years later, security forces are present at the square and dozens of activists have already been detained, enforcing a strict ban on public protests.
Decheng, who spent 16 years in jail as a political prisoner following the event, is keeping a close eye on what is going on in China.
He says the Chinese government is trying to cover up what happened but he wants the world to remember
Decheng is disappointed China still is not free and hopes that democracy will take hold one day.
 

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Such ''protests", "demostrations", etc which are used extensively by western and xtian countries to destabilise their enemies happened all the time and everywhere. We have seen the so called 'orange revolution', 'Kosovo incident', 'arab spring', 'Mongolian unrest', .... and recently the Kiev Protests. Some are very successful while others failed. Many of these affected countries are enemies of Israel. Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Ukraine.... you see their success.

Syria would have been lost too but for the exposed lies of the west. Resulting in China / Russia veto. No more no fly zone like for the case of Libya. Syria thus was saved from military attacks (under the UN flag) by the west. Ukraine, where the elected President was removed by western sympathisers, would have been lost too.... except for the stand taken by Putin. Now the Ukrianians are the losers.

Western and xtian countries would have a glorious victory should the so called Tiananmen Incident be allowed to succeed in the name of freedom and democracy. China would have been broken up. Fortunately, their usual approach was too obvious, Chinese leaders stopped the nonsense and some young stooges died. China was interrupted with trade and military embargos by the west; China moved on to become the next super-power of the world. Chinese people the world over are the winners.

lky understood the need for Chinese leaders to wipe out those young idiots (and the plans of their western xtian manipulators) in 1989.
 
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Chinese govt should apologise for TAM to its own people, because sooner or later, the people will want more autonomy and be watchful of its leaders and power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is a fact of history. Nothing can stay the same forever.
 

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According to a young student who was there, now one of my collegue in another country.....the army came to the square and asked to speak to student leaders and negotiate.

None of the student leaders came forward, because the student leaders run-road, disappeared, and left all the protestors behind.

After sometime, a Taiwanese singer (forgot his name) who was with the protestors came forward and negotiated with the army. Thereafter, the army opened a few passages for the protestors to disperse and exit the square.

 
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