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What do you think of Japan's militarization plans?

pallkia

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you must be crazy. why don't you be an one man army and try to plant the PRC or ROC flag on Diaoyu islands. don't expect PRC, ROC or SG authorities to save you later. you are going to stay in Japan prison for a long long time. :biggrin:

I tot i m extreme ,but u r even crazier than me to even say that!
 

Sideswipe

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No, there were patriots on both sides. KMT did most of the fighting because their territories were targeted.

You quote an American biography of Chiang. Of course, his view would be from the American perspective.
I do not agree that the CCP did NO fighting at all against the Japanese. Earlier, you wrote the CCP fought one battle against the Japanese. So now how could you say it did little to no fighting?


i mentioned the brave actions of Warlord Ma Gufang earlier. in Sichuan, Warlord Liu Xiang conscripted large number of his people, and he left Sichuan with his troops to join the the 9th War District battles ( Hubei ). Warlord Liu Xiang could have wayang too. the Japanese had not reached his Sichuan area. if Liu chose not to fight. it was unlikely that Chiang Kai Shek can punish him. but Liu Xiang was a Chinese patriot unlike the selfish cowardly CCP leaders who only thought of their personal and party interests.

the Japanese didn’t target CCP territories so CCP didn’t fight Japanese was not a valid excuse for the CCP little to no fighting during the war. the CCP troops could have taken offensive military actions against the Japanese. but they didn’t do it. CCP decision to literally sit out the war was also a betrayal action to the Chinese people.

they fought very little. they didn’t fight at all for long periods too. – little to no fighting.


Yes. Did I ever deny that the KMT fought the Japanese? Chiang was in power. He had to protect his kingdom. If it were Mao in power, he would also want to fight the Japanese to protect his own kingdom. Do not be so naive as to think that these leaders were democrat or socialist. Both of them wanted to be emperors. The actions of both men after the war bore witness to this.


your boss praised you for your great contributions to the company. at the some time, he kept mentioning that you are only doing it because of your salary. yes. it is of course true that you are working for the company to earn your salary. but it is needless for the boss to keep mentioning it. what matters is your great contributions for the company. same logic. Generalissimo Chiang did a great service to China during WW2. it was needless to mention that he did it to protect his kingdom.

actions of both men after the war ?

whether Chiang was sincere or not to form a coalition government with Mao’s CCP was not the crux issue. the records showed that Chiang agreed to nearly all of Mao’s conditions. the deal was on the table. ready for the CCP anytime. Mao could have accepted it and the civil war would end . Mao chose the battlefield to settle the conflict.



Okay, okay, everything depended on circumstances. Japan might never have attacked China. It might never had committed the Rape of Nanjing. Right.

I do not know why you keep harping the collusion between Soviet and CCP. They are both communists. Of course, they would collude. What's the problem with that?

Provocation is not equal to instigation. Having a motive does not mean a crime is committed.


collusion - secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy to cheat or deceive others. collusion is not collaboration.

it is somewhat ok for the Chinese Communist Party and Members to be aligned to Comintern. that was because Comintern was an international organization even though it was controlled by Moscow. but CCP members being agents of Russian GRU were completely unacceptable. GRU was the military intelligence bureau of the Russian Ministry of Defense. i never read of any KMT members in the political and military organization who were also members of the US CIA in that period. if i am an agent of the British Secret Service, Singapore ISD would arrest me immediately. that was one key reason why the Kuomintang had to destroy the CCP.

why were some CCP members working for a foreign country, Soviet intelligence agency ? what were the CCP GRU agents agendas and objectives in China ? what goals were they trying to achieve for Moscow ? CCP founder Li Dazhou recruited 100+ GRU agents in the 1920s. Li was arrested and executed later by Manchurian Warlord Zhang Zuolin for charges of Russian collusion.

i believe that spying for a foreign power against your country should be considered a treachery act, even in 1920s China. right?

the GRU stuffs are too complicated for me to explain. i cannot fully understand it. there are many books that told stories of Russian GRU, how its agents conducted successful espionage and sabotage operations in China, Japan, Europe and the United States. the GRU skillful works altered international affairs both in East and West during the 1930s. China war with Japan and Britain war with Germany were a result of it.

i will cite some incidents later to prove that the CCP tried to put the thoughts of provoking the war into action.



Perhaps according to you, the CCP should surrender to the KMT so that the KMT could deter the Japanese from starting a war? Sure that would be nice. But given the brutalities committed in the KMT-CCP war, we know this was not possible. Chiang Kai Shek was just as cruel as Mao. Many Commies tortured to death. Zhou's wife was beaten so severely that she couldn't conceive anymore. Chiang executed Yang Hucheng, his wife and young son (a child!) for his role in the Xi'an incident. He also killed tens of thousands of civilians in Taiwan.

Now, I have never suggested that Mao or CCP were the good guys. In fact, they were evil and did a lot of evil to the Chinese people. But ironic as it is, evil tyrants like Mao (or Hitler, Stalin, etc) were usually very "patriotic" because they would protect their kingdom and stand up to foreigners. The CCP would never want to give an inch of China to Japan. Mao successfully fought the Korean and Indian wars. For all his faults and evilness, Mao did keep China whole. If China were a US backed liberal democracy, I seriously doubt the US would allow it to remain so big.


Chiang Kai Shek’s cruelty was somewhat exaggerated. most of Chiang’s misdeeds were quite exaggerated too. plenty of Communist and American lies, and distortion of facts too.

Stalin was 100% Russian patriot. Mao Zedong was a traitor to the Chinese people before 1949. it was a Chinese tragedy that the CCP founding fathers had sold their souls to the Russian during that period of history.


but i shall say something to defend Mao for once. regarding the Chungking peace talks after WW2, if I was Mao, i also will not accept it. simply said. too much blood had been shedded between KMT and CCP. too many promises had been broken. it was impossible for Chiang and Mao to trust each other ever again.

whoever wrote the directives of the Marshall Mission must be a Russian spy or an idiot. if the CCP agreed to the coalition agreement, they would be surrendering into the government, putting themselves at the mercy of the Nationalists. Mao would be a dumbass or need the heart of a Saint to fully trust Chiang and form a unified government. it was more likely that, after Chiang got all the American aid as a result of the deal, he would purge the Chinese Communists again.
 

Sideswipe

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I tot i m extreme ,but u r even crazier than me to even say that!


i thought you love China deep deep. :o

you and moolightaffairs can form a two-man army and plant the PRC and ROC flag on Diaoyu islands, or else you two can go to Tokyo and attack the evil Yasukuni Shrine, otherwise can protest outside the Japanese embassy in Singapore, demanding Japanese not to deny the war atrocities. i can even make the protest banners for you free.

for options 1 and 2. don't expect the PRC, ROC or SG authorities to save you. you will stay in Japan prison for a long long time. option 3. it is likely you might have to spend some time in Changi Prison. :biggrin:
 

SixthColumn

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i thought you love China deep deep. :o

you and moolightaffairs can form a two-man army and plant the PRC and ROC flag on Diaoyu islands, or else you two can go to Tokyo and attack the evil Yasukuni Shrine, otherwise can protest outside the Japanese embassy in Singapore, demanding Japanese not to deny the war atrocities. i can even make the protest banners for you free.

for options 1 and 2. don't expect the PRC, ROC or SG authorities to save you. you will stay in Japan prison for a long long time. option 3. it is likely you might have to spend some time in Changi Prison. :biggrin:

I went to Yasukuni Shrine to visit as well...quite a serene and nice place...hehehe....should turn it into a tourist attraction lah...I love going Tokyo! hehehe....
 

eatshitndie

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don't forget before the ccp was formed, it was the chinese soviet republic (csr) or soviet republic of china from 1931 to 1937. its defeat and dissolution in 1937 made way for the formation of the ccp in the guise of joining the kmt in the war against japan. it was practically a defeated, demoralised and spent force until the nazis were finished off in the european theater and soviets began pouring tanks and troops in the invasion of manchuria to destroy the bulk of japanese forces in the manchurian region and northeast china. the so called overwhelming force, technology, advanced armor, mechanized divisions, massive artillery barrages, arrays of rockets, speed, bravery, goodwill and sacrifice displayed by the soviets in the rapid encirclement, capture and destruction of jap forces over gigantic geography impressed both ccp and kmt commanders so much that they fell into shock, awe and love with the soviet system. it was just a matter of time before frontline kmt officers and commanders in the northern sectors turned over to the dark side of the force, and brought thousands of troops with them. the short invasion of manchuria by the soviets and subsequent "friendly" withdrawal after mission accomplished portended the doom of kmt in the chinese civil war.
 

PUNISHER

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I went to Yasukuni Shrine to visit as well...quite a serene and nice place...hehehe....should turn it into a tourist attraction lah...I love going Tokyo! hehehe....

There's a museum beside the shrine too . Already It's kind of tourist attraction .
 

Sideswipe

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The apology demanded seems to drag on and on. Both North Koreans and China still fiind time to throw rocks at Japan whenever it pleases to mantain the perception that it is the main aggressor in the asian circle . Japan has apologized so many times yet not enough for china , so what is the real issue here? Is it because of fear that Japan is pushing for a greater power in the region through economic means and also submission to be the permanent member of UN security council?


i don't have any Japanese friends. would like to ask the average Japanese their opinions of this war issue ? i do wonder do the average Chinese and Japanese still care about this issue now ? do all the noise simply belong to the Chinese and Japanese Nationalist groups ?

think Japan's apologies were too long. could make it simpler. 7 words will do. - "its an honest mistake, lets move on" how the Chinese and Korean will react to it ? :biggrin:
 

Sideswipe

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I went to Yasukuni Shrine to visit as well...quite a serene and nice place...hehehe....should turn it into a tourist attraction lah...I love going Tokyo! hehehe....

you go inside and pray to the war criminals ? hope that moolightaffairs doesn't read it.


seriously. can non-Japanese citizens enter the Yasukuni Shrine ?
 

SixthColumn

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i don't have any Japanese friends. would like to ask the average Japanese their opinions of this war issue ? i do wonder do the average Chinese and Japanese still care about this issue now ? do all the noise simply belong to the Chinese and Japanese Nationalist groups ?

think Japan's apologies were too long. could make it simpler. 7 words will do. - "its an honest mistake, lets move on" how the Chinese and Korean will react to it ? :biggrin:

Its already the internet age...my Jap friends cant the shit be bothered lah...only people with historical burdens like Moo make a big fuss out of it.
 

PUNISHER

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i thought you love China deep deep. :o

you and moolightaffairs can form a two-man army and plant the PRC and ROC flag on Diaoyu islands, or else you two can go to Tokyo and attack the evil Yasukuni Shrine, otherwise can protest outside the Japanese embassy in Singapore, demanding Japanese not to deny the war atrocities. i can even make the protest banners for you free.

for options 1 and 2. don't expect the PRC, ROC or SG authorities to save you. you will stay in Japan prison for a long long time. option 3. it is likely you might have to spend some time in Changi Prison. :biggrin:

Fuchu prison in Tokyo ? :biggrin:
 

PUNISHER

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you go inside and pray to the war criminals ? hope that moolightaffairs doesn't read it.


seriously. can non-Japanese citizens enter the Yasukuni Shrine ?

Anyone can visit the shrine . If you visit, you may find policemen at the shrine to guard it in case someone decides to come with the intent of causing trouble and you will notice information from the shrine goes to great lengths to try and explain to foreigners the historic and religious meaning of the shrine in hopes of making them appreciate it :wink:

With all the controversy aside, the shrine grounds are quite nice with many monuments and the shrine itself has the Imperial Crest on its gate and drapery which of course will not be found at most shrines. Behind the shrine is the Shinchi Garden with a nice pond and pathway. There is also a museum within the grounds with displays of artifacts from WWII from a very nationalistic viewpoint. If you are going Tokyo dont miss this tourist attraction :wink:
 

SixthColumn

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Anyone can visit the shrine . If you visit, you may find policemen at the shrine to guard it in case someone decides to come with the intent of causing trouble and you will notice information from the shrine goes to great lengths to try and explain to foreigners the historic and religious meaning of the shrine in hopes of making them appreciate it :wink:

With all the controversy aside, the shrine grounds are quite nice with many monuments and the shrine itself has the Imperial Crest on its gate and drapery which of course will not be found at most shrines. Behind the shrine is the Shinchi Garden with a nice pond and pathway. There is also a museum within the grounds with displays of artifacts from WWII from a very nationalistic viewpoint. If you are going Tokyo dont miss this tourist attraction :wink:
yep went once...now u making me recall...hehehee...but i make it a point to go to Meiji Shrine and Asakusa Shrine to pray each time i am in Tokyo lah...Only went to Yasakuni once...
 

PUNISHER

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i don't have any Japanese friends. would like to ask the average Japanese their opinions of this war issue ? i do wonder do the average Chinese and Japanese still care about this issue now ? do all the noise simply belong to the Chinese and Japanese Nationalist groups ?

think Japan's apologies were too long. could make it simpler. 7 words will do. - "its an honest mistake, lets move on" how the Chinese and Korean will react to it ? :biggrin:

I have more Japanese friends then sinkies friends , most Japanese don't even care about this war issue or their country politics . Most of them are busy following the latest gadgets ,latest fashion , or where to eat and where to enjoy with their life :wink:
 

PUNISHER

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yep went once...now u making me recall...hehehee...but i make it a point to go to Meiji Shrine and Asakusa Shrine to pray each time i am in Tokyo lah...Only went to Yasakuni once...

Next time we go together dont let paikia know :wink:
 
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