Wayang Worker's Party vote with PAP for the most bloated $79.9B budget in history

[Papsmearer]

Please be more understanding. It is difficult to butter up to Loong when the PAP controls close to 80 seats.

If they are buttering up to Gay Loong, then they are fake oppo

 

[tanwahp]

Most of the laws in the bills are good, it's PAP's implementation of these laws that are bad. Voting against every good bill does nothing to change the way PAP implements these laws badly.

Opposition parties are not going all out against one another, at least not near future or unless in a by-election. I could defend WP without comparing it with another party and in the process put that other party down.

You won't get a difference by totally replacing WP with another party. A good team is one that manages its internal affairs well, not one that speaks up more or goes hard against its opponents. And we saw after 2011 how splintered the opposition had since become, but WP has done well here, keeping most of its members.

What should be done is to encourage all serious opposition candidates to be voted in, which means still keeping WP in and voting the rest in like SPP, SDP, Singfirst.

 

[Sideswipe]

the WP should just oppose for the sake of opposing. do the PAP ever support any WP's initiated bills ?

 

[Papsmearer]

Most of the laws in the bills are good, it's PAP's implementation of these laws that are bad. Voting against every good bill does nothing to change the way PAP implements these laws badly.

Opposition parties are not going all out against one another, at least not near future or unless in a by-election. I could defend WP without comparing it with another party and in the process put that other party down.

You won't get a difference by totally replacing WP with another party. A good team is one that manages its internal affairs well, not one that speaks up more or goes hard against its opponents. And we saw after 2011 how splintered the opposition had since become, but WP has done well here, keeping most of its members.

What should be done is to encourage all serious opposition candidates to be voted in, which means still keeping WP in and voting the rest in like SPP, SDP, Singfirst.

If even one bill is bad, the whole thing is bad. Its a simple as that. And in this budget, many many things are bad. If you really believe that only certain parts of the bill is bad, then where is the WP debate on it? So by passing the budget for the PMO, they are saying Gay Loong deserves his multimillion $ salary? By passing the budget and agreeing to increase the transportation portion by 80% to $11 billion, the WP is tacitly saying lets throw more good money after bad. How about fixing all the transportation issues first before increasing the budget for it? Where is the debate on that? There are so many portions of the budget that is fishy and illogical. But the WP is debating about childcare expenses? What fucking jokers they are. I rather they vigorously debate the portions that stink, and then abstain or vote against it stating clearly the reasons why. People will respect them for it.

 

[Papsmearer]

That day I read that 21% of Malaysia budget 2015 is spent on education sector. Wondering how many percentage of Singapore budget 2015 is spent on education and health sector? My guess is way below 21%.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/03/13/DPM-Malaysian-students-below-par/

The budget for education is $12.1 billion over a $79.9 billion budget and that is 15.1%, way short of Malaysia. In addition, of the $12.1 billion a few hundred millions are given to FT students in the form of scholarships, subsidies, etc. Hence the net to real singaporeans is even lower than 15%

 

[tanwahp]

If even one bill is bad, the whole thing is bad. Its a simple as that. And in this budget, many many things are bad. If you really believe that only certain parts of the bill is bad, then where is the WP debate on it? So by passing the budget for the PMO, they are saying Gay Loong deserves his multimillion $ salary? By passing the budget and agreeing to increase the transportation portion by 80% to $11 billion, the WP is tacitly saying lets throw more good money after bad. How about fixing all the transportation issues first before increasing the budget for it? Where is the debate on that? There are so many portions of the budget that is fishy and illogical. But the WP is debating about childcare expenses? What fucking jokers they are. I rather they vigorously debate the portions that stink, and then abstain or vote against it stating clearly the reasons why. People will respect them for it.

People do or say things with a goal in mind. Your goal is to put down WP for reasons only you yourself know best.

At the height of the PAP-WP war, you revived a label "wayang" that is associated with with acquiesce and artificiality, do what is called "cannot convince so confuse", paint as if WP only raised one cut and compared amounts between 2 countries ignoring the population difference of these countries.

I could elaborate but don't expect you to say anything objectively good about WP. You also sidestepped my point about why it doesn't make sense for an opposition supporter to be engrossed primarily on the only opposition party with elected seats, so we are even.

 

[SgParent]

If even one bill is bad, the whole thing is bad. Its a simple as that. And in this budget, many many things are bad. If you really believe that only certain parts of the bill is bad, then where is the WP debate on it? So by passing the budget for the PMO, they are saying Gay Loong deserves his multimillion $ salary? By passing the budget and agreeing to increase the transportation portion by 80% to $11 billion, the WP is tacitly saying lets throw more good money after bad. How about fixing all the transportation issues first before increasing the budget for it? Where is the debate on that? There are so many portions of the budget that is fishy and illogical. But the WP is debating about childcare expenses? What fucking jokers they are. I rather they vigorously debate the portions that stink, and then abstain or vote against it stating clearly the reasons why. People will respect them for it.

actually where did you read the wp did or did not debate anything on this bill?

this is the how many read only of the bill?

 

[SgParent]

The budget for education is $12.1 billion over a $79.9 billion budget and that is 15.1%, way short of Malaysia. In addition, of the $12.1 billion a few hundred millions are given to FT students in the form of scholarships, subsidies, etc. Hence the net to real singaporeans is even lower than 15%

you know the detail on how moe is going to spend this $12.1b?

you know malaysia 21% is spending on the children or white elephant contracts awarded to "friends and families"?

 

[LordElrond]

If even one bill is bad, the whole thing is bad. Its a simple as that. And in this budget, many many things are bad. If you really believe that only certain parts of the bill is bad, then where is the WP debate on it? So by passing the budget for the PMO, they are saying Gay Loong deserves his multimillion $ salary? By passing the budget and agreeing to increase the transportation portion by 80% to $11 billion, the WP is tacitly saying lets throw more good money after bad. How about fixing all the transportation issues first before increasing the budget for it? Where is the debate on that? There are so many portions of the budget that is fishy and illogical. But the WP is debating about childcare expenses? What fucking jokers they are. I rather they vigorously debate the portions that stink, and then abstain or vote against it stating clearly the reasons why. People will respect them for it.

There were plenty of debates as i sat through every session as observing public. If you really want to hear debate you need to do the same. You rely on MSM to conclude there is no debate? That is so ignorant.

 

[ginfreely]

The budget for education is $12.1 billion over a $79.9 billion budget and that is 15.1%, way short of Malaysia. In addition, of the $12.1 billion a few hundred millions are given to FT students in the form of scholarships, subsidies, etc. Hence the net to real singaporeans is even lower than 15%

And this year is already exceptional spending on education right? The $500 thing for Singaporeans continuous education is considered as education budget right? Still only 15% and so much of it going to foreigner students!!

 

[mojito]

If they are buttering up to Gay Loong, then they are fake oppo

You see, that is the thing. We need to vote in more WP so that Loong can give them the benefits they deserve. Loong can't afford to be too chummy with them lest his proteges and associates in the cabinet feel abandoned. That is why we must do our best to convince more people to vote in the WP. This way the PAP will not dare to mess with the WP and both parties can all live harmoniously together with each other in parliament, singing praises of one another, welcomong the 6.9 and the coronation of Lee III.

 

[zeebjii]

There were plenty of debates as i sat through every session as observing public. If you really want to hear debate you need to do the same. You rely on MSM to conclude there is no debate? That is so ignorant.

Debates? PAP backbenchers also "debate" a lot. So WP is like these backbenchers, wayang only?

 

[SgParent]

Debates? PAP backbenchers also "debate" a lot. So WP is like these backbenchers, wayang only?

oppo mp are there to provide real competition that always, always benefits the consumers.

without the oppo mp leading the questioning, debate you think the white scum backbenchers would bother to even wayang?
http://therealsingapore.com/content...lead-record-number-questions-asked-parliament
http://therealsingapore.com/content...ry-questions-asked-thanks-more-opposition-mps
https://www.rsis.edu.sg/media-highl...questions-answers-in-parliament/#.VQer0-HjUvg

talked so much rubbish. if you want to see more fireworks then help to ensure there are >1/3 of oppo mps

 

[steffychun]

If you want the oppo to vote against everything you get no where. In the UK the opposition votes with govt over certain policies.

 

[zeebjii]

oppo mp are there to provide real competition that always, always benefits the consumers.

talked so much rubbish. if you want to see more fireworks then help to ensure there are >1/3 of oppo mps

Aren't you the guy who was exposed as fake opposition supporter? Anyway..

I already did my part. I have voted opposition every election. worker party: cheng san 1997/amk 2006. reform party: amk 2011. I am as hardcore antiPAP as they come. I have done my part. And i expect opposition to reciprocate, to do their part when voted into parliament.

What is the point of asking questions when you still vote yes when bullshit answers are given?

 

[SgGoneWrong]

Thats why i say sinkies deserved to be screwed, they unconsciously love pap so support opposition also suport team B.

 

[SgParent]

Aren't you the guy who was exposed as fake opposition supporter? Anyway..

so now i have a new label?

what's new right?

just label, no need to substantiate, right?

I already did my part. I have voted opposition every election. worker party: cheng san 1997/amk 2006. reform party: amk 2011. I am as hardcore antiPAP as they come. I have done my part. And i expect opposition to reciprocate, to do their part when voted into parliament.

did those oppo that you have voted promised they will oppose anything till death?

if no then how you "expect"?

just like wp. it promised to be a codriver but what happened? how many wp got voted in? how you "expect" wp to be codriver when they are put in a >10%seat-bicycle chasing the driver in the >90%seat-ferrari?

What is the point of asking questions when you still vote yes when bullshit answers are given?

go read my questions on post.47

 

[mojito]

Codriver is supposed to slap before driver drives off the cliff. Everyone can see driver slowing down, but the car is still heading off the cliff! So like that means now slap or don't slap? Those of you say don't slap are the kind of blur cock who will die and not even know why.

 

[Papsmearer]

the WP should just oppose for the sake of opposing. do the PAP ever support any WP's initiated bills ?

Of course not.

 

[Papsmearer]

There were plenty of debates as i sat through every session as observing public. If you really want to hear debate you need to do the same. You rely on MSM to conclude there is no debate? That is so ignorant.

There are many more debates than what is common knowledge out there. I freely admit this. The WP was active in the debates.................90% of which was insignificant shit. Unless you consider the debate on biodegradable plastic bags of huge national importance impacting the future of all singaporeans? Lets just say that I am wrong and you are right, and that the WP strenously and vigourously debated the PAP on all major and important budget items.
The bottom line is that they still VOTED FOR THE PAP'S BUDGET!! You debate with the PAP because you don't agree, that is why you debate. If you agree with the PAP, then there is no need to debate, and lets move on to the next line item on the Budget. So, by debating with the PAP, you are telling them your point of view and why you think its better than their point of view. But in the end, you still go over to their point of view by approving the budget that allows the PAP to carrying out their point of view. What the fuck is this shit? In Singlish parlance, its called Wayang.