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Was Colonialism good for Asia?

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Thought this article may be of interest to readers in this forum who frequently say "Ang Mo is the best" while there is also a noticeable number of Sinophiles and supporters of "Asian Values" looking forward to the destruction of the west. In any case, this article was a topic raised into the public and printed in the media in Taiwan, something the Straits Times has no interest to put into public discussion. You yourself be the judge.

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http://thediplomat.com/2015/02/was-colonialism-good-for-asia/

Was Colonialism Good for Asia?

In controversial remarks, Taipei’s new mayor argued that colonialism is the secret to “more advanced” culture today.

By David Volodzko
February 05, 2015

Is Hong Kong better than mainland China because it was colonized by the British? Does Western influence make Asian nations better? These may seem like the beery slurs of a bitter expat, but last week Foreign Policy reported that the mayor of Taipei, Ko Wen-je, had said this:
“For the four Chinese-speaking regions — Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong and mainland China — the longer the colonization, the more advanced a place is. It’s rather embarrassing. Singapore is better than Hong Kong, Hong Kong is better than Taiwan, Taiwan is better than the mainland. I’m speaking in terms of culture. I’ve been to Vietnam and mainland China. Even though the Vietnamese are seemingly poor, they always stop in front of red traffic lights and walk in front of green ones. Even though mainland China’s GDP is higher than that of Vietnam, if you ask me about culture, the Vietnamese culture is superior.”
In making this statement, Ko isn’t speaking to Beijing but to the people of Taipei. He is displaying strength by indulging in a bit of cultural strutting — and proving he is unafraid of making himself more visible to the dragon across the strait.
That’s the political motivation, but what of his pretension to cultural superiority? Is Hong Kong really better than Taiwan? Are Taiwan and Vietnam really better than mainland China? And is colonialism really the cause?
There are myriad ways to attempt to quantify what is arguably unquantifiable, and there isn’t the room to comprehensively do so here, but it is possible to glance at a few important indicators. For one, both the IMF and The World Bank corroborate the claim if GDP per capita is our measure, but wealth is at best a woolly gauge of cultural superiority. A better measure would be the Human Development Index, which in addition to income weighs life expectancy and education. But alas, the HDI supports the same pecking order.
An even more exhaustive list is the 2013 Economist Intelligence Unit’s Where-To-Be-Born Index which, in addition to GDP forecasts, considers such indicators as life expectancy, divorce rates, political freedom, unemployment, homicide rates, corruption and the number of parliamentary seats held by women. But this doesn’t change the ranking either. Then there are other measures, notably Monocle‘s Quality of Life Survey, which evaluates factors such as architecture, business culture, environmental awareness, museums, tolerance and urban planning. But in 2014 only Hong Kong and Singapore made the survey’s list of 25 cities.
So in a number of ways, it appears to be true that Singapore and Hong Kong really are better places than Taiwan and that all three are better than mainland China. What’s more, their level of success does roughly correlate with the length of their colonization — i.e. Singapore had 140 years and Hong Kong had 185 while Taiwan was under foreign rule for approximately 90 years. But there are a few problems with this theory.
First, northern Taiwan was under Spanish rule for 16 years whereas southern Taiwan was under Dutch rule for over twice that — so why isn’t the southern city of Kaohsiung more advanced than Taipei? And what do Burma and India have to show for their respective 94 and 334 years under British colonialism, or Indonesia for 347 years of Dutch rule? Shouldn’t the Philippines, which experienced almost 400 years of colonialism between Spain and the U.S., be at least as well developed as Singapore or Hong Kong? Or are we to believe the magic ingredient is the Chinese language?
Second, Ko is using different scales of measurement. Hong Kong and Singapore are cities whereas mainland China is the world’s second-largest country by territory. This makes a difference. In 2012 China entered the Program for International Student Assessment as Shanghai rather than as a nation, and in every category — mathematics, science, reading — Shanghai dominated. Clearly, mainland China cannot be fairly compared to Singapore any more than the U.S. can be compared to London.
Finally, these indicators have nothing to do with foreign influence per se. Infrastructure, international trade, and education certainly are good things, and were sometimes introduced by colonial powers, but colonialism was merely the vehicle. The West also, for instance, introduced democracy but democracy is not inherently Western.
It’s not that Ko’s rankings are entirely wrong. He just doesn’t understand why they’re right.
 
Ang Mohs are the best. It goes without saying that Ang Moh influence improves every aspect of whatever they get involved with.
 
good what............otherwise we still fishing village mah........LKY would be in China today...........a nobody
 
We may be using the term "Ang Moh" too casually. There should be a convenient way of distinguishing one Ang Mo from another. For example, the Spanish colonial overlords in South America totally destroyed the native tribes there whereas Sg's British rulers allowed the locals (and natives) to carry on their ethnic practices and beliefs. The Brits were more interested in building a prosperous trading port as their base of operation and to locate their regional headquarters whereas the Spaniards come across as looters and plunderers.

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Ang Mohs are the best. It goes without saying that Ang Moh influence improves every aspect of whatever they get involved with.
 
We may be using the term "Ang Moh" too casually. There should be a convenient way of distinguishing one Ang Mo from another. For example, the Spanish colonial overlords in South America totally destroyed the native tribes there whereas Sg's British rulers allowed the locals (and natives) to carry on their ethnic practices and beliefs. The Brits were more interested in building a prosperous trading port as their base of operation and to locate their regional headquarters whereas the Spaniards come across as looters and plunderers.

Cheers!

The Brits almost wiped out the indigenous population of NZ when they first colonized the place.

Many think they should have completed what they started.
 
It is anybody's guess what could have happened. I like to think of Singapore as a ruthless, regional military power, today called Temasek, capital of the Riau Archipelago with the biggest naval fleet in Asia. Of course yellow-skinned peoples would not occupy the upper echelons of society, but descendants of Bugis or some pirate race. The Lee family would be successful coffee shop owners back in some province in the motherland, but their eldest son is a deviant and be a leading gay activist.

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good what............otherwise we still fishing village mah........LKY would be in China today...........a nobody
 
Justifying colonialism on the basis of imparted wealth, biz culture, town planning and rule of law alongside the inhuman subjugation of a native people, heinous atrocities and the rapacious plunder of a country's resources, is like:

A rich man raping a poor woman and forcing her to marry into his harem, and then justifying the act on the basis that the woman is now living a life of luxury and wealth, which she could never have achieved on her own.
 
That's karma to the Maoris for slaughtering the Moa. The Brits needed some good rugby players, so they had to keep some natives alive for that purpose.

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The Brits almost wiped out the indigenous population of NZ when they first colonized the place.

Many think they should have completed what they started.
 
Justifying colonialism on the basis of imparted wealth, biz culture, town planning and rule of law alongside, the inhuman subjugation of a native people, heinous atrocities and the rapacious plunder of a country's resources is like:

Nothing like that happened in Malaya and most other colonies.
 
Ang Mohs are the best. It goes without saying that Ang Moh influence improves every aspect of whatever they get involved with.

Totally agree! Ang Moh is the BEST! They are the best breed!
 
I don't live in that time, and will refrain from judging whether it was good or bad, just glad that I live in more civilized times. Nobody, not even God can change history. The only thing we can do is not repeat mistakes of the past.

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Justifying colonialism on the basis of imparted wealth, biz culture, town planning and rule of law alongside the inhuman subjugation of a native people, heinous atrocities and the rapacious plunder of a country's resources, is like:

A rich man raping a poor woman and forcing her to marry into his harem, and then justifying the act on the basis that the woman is now living a life of luxury and wealth, which she could never have achieved on her own.
 
Nobody, not even God can change history. The only thing we can do is not repeat mistakes of the past.

Precisely. That's why colonialism became a dirty word in the latter part of the 20th century even as many former colonial masters were forced to relinquish their colonised territories for various reasons.

But when we start to romanticize and glamourize colonialism while harking back to a utopian bygone day of noble white overlords living alongside placid native subjects in a land of peace and plenty, you can be sure that these mistakes will be repeated in future.

Humans have very short memories.
 
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Angmohs were underdogs and was shock to see And advanced nation rich in history, medicine, art and economy. They took the education and technologies back to copy and of course being underdog want to do better. Isn't this what Fuckard LKY was doing to make Singapore as it is today? Copy?

The fuckard angmohs systematically destroyed Chinese and end with on opium trade war with Chinese.



Ang Mohs are the best. It goes without saying that Ang Moh influence improves every aspect of whatever they get involved with.
 
Angmohs were underdogs and was shock to see And advanced nation rich in history, medicine, art and economy. They took the education and technologies back to copy and of course being underdog want to do better. Isn't this what Fuckard LKY was doing to make Singapore as it is today? Copy?

The fuckard angmohs systematically destroyed Chinese and end with on opium trade war with Chinese.

China stopped advancing since the 1400s. Very few breakthrough technological advances since the start of the Renaissance Age in Europe. If not for colonialism, chinks today would still be riding horses and working as coolies. They probably be kowtowing to emperors too.
 
China or even Asia's history might be so different if Zheng Chenggong had won China then. prior to the Manchus invasion of China, the Zheng family held Fujian and was the regional naval powerhouse in the South China Sea. Zheng understood the great importance of strength at sea: the naval power and the very lucrative sea trade unlike the Manchus who came from the grasslands and had no idea of the vast importance of China's coasts, militarily and economically and the rising danger of the European presences in Asia. if Zheng had surrendered to the Qing court and they appointed him to be China's naval commander, Zheng would undertook long term policies to preserve China's interests in the seas by building up her naval power so that she would challenge the Europeans' control of the sea lines. if the Europeans couldn't control the seas, there would be no Western Colonialism. so instead of the British or the Dutch, it would be China that would conquer Malaya, Singapore and Indonesia, etc...
 
Nothing like that happened in Malaya and most other colonies.

Actually that is not true.the Brits got huge swath of land on a territory with very few people in which to mine, plant and exploit. Malaysia did a reverse takeover of British plantation and mining stocks. But Zimbabwe? They are still stuck with the problem and the only solution is to seize white land.
 
But the Malays already colonise Singapura before Raffles came. Then before the Malays the dinosaurs.
 
Riding horses and were also part of the transport system in the West. You think Europe has no coolies works?

Asian have different life style and Chinese used different products and services and dont need Western products.

Chinese were the early people using small ships to sailed down and trade with the neighbors, and make U-Turn and head to India and Africa. Coolies are honored prestige jobs to carry goods from ships to and from mainland.

Horses were used to transport goods to inner mainland and highland country.

You think kowtow to emperors are uncommon in Europe? You think monarchies do not exist in Western Europe.



China stopped advancing since the 1400s. Very few breakthrough technological advances since the start of the Renaissance Age in Europe. If not for colonialism, chinks today would still be riding horses and working as coolies. They probably be kowtowing to emperors too.
 
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