Warning: The Rise and Success of The PAP Internet Bridgade

[steffychun]

Re: Warning: The Rise and Success of The PAP Internet Brigade

Saw this in jeesus's siggy. You must have made quite a pile by now.

Gee..all you SDP lovers. Why aren't you following Gopalan hoax Nair to his democracy?

 

[talkincock]

Re: Warning: The Rise and Success of The PAP Internet Brigade

Gee..all you SDP lovers. Why aren't you following Gopalan hoax Nair to his democracy?

That is according to you. I have never declare that neither show support in this forum. Making noise about it or smearing them online is not going to attract supporters to the PAP camp. Instead it will drive them to vote for an animal.

 

[steffychun]

Re: Warning: The Rise and Success of The PAP Internet Brigade

That is according to you. I have never declare that neither show support in this forum. Making noise about it or smearing them online is not going to attract supporters to the PAP camp. Instead it will drive them to vote for an animal.

Exactly. Vote for an animal like Chee.

 

[Confuseous]

Nicely analysed, Confuseous bro. Unfortunately, the older cohorts of Singaporeans have been hardwired by the LKY regime over the decades and the reach of the social media remains extremely limited when compared with the mainstream media. Netizens form an exceedingly small proportion of the populace, although they are vociferous and highly critical of the ruling elites, no doubt emboldened by the cloak of anonymity.

THAT is the other aspect that the PAP is not cognizant of. It is not really true to divide between old and new. As an example, the elderly daily mahjong kakis in my neighbour's house are aged 57 - 92. Sitting in and listening to their conversations, it is obvious that they have been fed lots of information from their children and grandchildren. Two voted TCB and two TJS - they had a resigned feeling that TT would win (comments were made about TT being seen every day in the newspapers) but felt it was important to "pull down" TT's votes to send a message across. They were also very well-versed with TT's sons' NS matter.

I am not saying that the internet is all powerful - I am saying that it is no longer a simple old/new divide when it comes to media consumption. Rin Tin Tin was positioned as a PAP symbol when she was launched - look at what happened to her. She is now seen more with hunching old folks than with the young she was supposed to reach.

 

[PTADER]

Re: Warning: The Rise and Success of The PAP Internet Brigade

It is exactly because it is not a zero sum game that I think it's alright for components outside PAP not to agree with each other (whether one defines that as "tearing down" is another question altogether). The PAP's space will gradually get smaller and smaller and this will give rise to multipartisanship.

I think we should all make a distinction between "fair criticism" and "tearing down". "Tearing down" is when it becomes personal when the objective is clearly to conduct personal attacks to tear down and diminished a person in the eyes of the electorate.

I have a number of private files, collected over the years as a personal dossier of documents. I started collecting these when I joined an opposition party as a young man sometime in mid-1972. I still do and can do so because of links and personal friendships which gives me access. This is a dossier of very personal habits, idiosyncracies, desires, machinations and other matters which would clearly show that no one is a saint. Anyone in the opposition camp can be easily torn down if need be. But as much as I have been tempted to in the past, I know that putting these minutes, documents, etc online and airing them or even airing undocumented policies and views is a low act plus it will not help the oppositionists' cause.

The best model is to disagree in private and not air dirty laundry in public. Understandably, this will be impossible because of various factors: the genuinely different views that exists (fair criticisms) and also because some misguided ones will see the airing of the dirty laundry (tearing down) of members of opposition parties that they don't belong to as being "good" and "advantageous" for their own party.

 

[PTADER]

In the meantime, the 'cowboys' have staked ownership of the Wild Wild Web and any circling of the wagons by the MIW on white horses will be quite easily repelled - in numbers, in the quality of the discussion, in the cohesiveness against a purported onslaught which, time and again have always failed to materialise..

Agree. But because they are backed by considerable resources and unfortunately, even by some opposition supporters who should know better, we must constantly look out for this and not allow it to take root lest it becomes "mainstream".

 

[PTADER]

Re: Warning: The Rise and Success of The PAP Internet Brigade

Election is a zero sum game. How can you grow out of 100% of the total votes cast?

No party will get 100%. The opposition's share is that x% against the PAP's. That x% can only grow with "heavyweights" stepping in from the wings. It can only grow if each party recognises that the success of one is good and not disastrous or "bad" for the other.

The pool of potential "heavyweights" is not as small as some may think. There's enough to go round. No party should fear that it will not be able to attract enough "heavyweights" and hence must do everything to tear down and sabotage a fellow opposition party lest that party alone attracts these "heavyweights".

It is a silly, myopic and self-serving beggar-thy-opposition neighbour policy which will guarantee that no opposition party will go anywhere anytime soon except to be able to play, at a maximum, the role of kampung headmen.

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: Warning: The Rise and Success of The PAP Internet Brigade

No party will get 100%. The opposition's share is that x% against the PAP's. That x% can only grow with "heavyweights" stepping in from the wings. It can only grow if each party recognises that the success of one is good and not disastrous or "bad" for the other.

The pool of potential "heavyweights" is not as small as some may think. There's enough to go round. No party should fear that it will not be able to attract enough "heavyweights" and hence must do everything to tear down and sabotage a fellow opposition party lest that party alone attracts these "heavyweights".

It is a silly, myopic and self-serving beggar-thy-opposition neighbour policy which will guarantee that no opposition party will go anywhere anytime soon except to be able to play, at a maximum, the role of kampung headmen.

saddam and his take a ba'ath party garnered 99.99% of all votes with that tiny 0.01% given free to the non-existent "opposition" as a token of appreciation. in this context, 99.99% is just as good as 100%. and yes, democracy is a joke when a dictator is still in charge.