war sweet war, long awaited n coming closer

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http://m.timesofindia.com/world/chi...rol-disputed-islands/articleshow/26277878.cms




VFears grow of clash as Japanese and Chinese ships and planes patrol disputed islands
Tomas Jivanda,The Independent | Nov 23, 2013, 10.48PM IST*

Vessels from the China Maritime Surveillance and the Japan Coast Guard are seen near disputed islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China. (Reuters Photo)
China has established an "Air Defenceessels from the China Maritime Surveillance and the Japan Coast Guard are seen near disputed islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China. (Reuters Photo)
China has established an "Air Defence Identification Zone" over a group of islands subject to a territorial dispute with Japan that has strained relations between the two powers for months.

China's defence ministry has threatened "defensive emergency measures" against aircrafts flying over the area in the East China Sea who do not comply with the new rules, in a move that is likely to greatly anger Japan.

The defence zone, which came into effect on Saturday morning, means any aircraft entering the airspace must report flight plans to Chinese authorities, maintain radio contact and reply promptly to identification inquiries.

Although the islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are uninhabited, they are believed to be surrounded by energy-rich waters. The long standing dispute, tensions over which have recently been raised, is also seen as a subject of national pride.

Patrol ships from both countries have been shadowing each other near the islets, raising fears that a confrontation could develop into a clash.

There have also been several incidents involving military aircraft flying close to each other. In October, Chinese military aircraft flew near Japan three days in a row, and Japan scrambled fighter jets each time in response.

In answer to questions about the zone on an official state website, Yang Yujun, a defence ministry spokesman, said China has established the zone "with the aim of safeguarding state sovereignty, territorial land and air security, and maintaining flight order".

The Japanese foreign ministry has so far made no comment on the announcement.

 

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/stephen...the-obama-administration-dangerously-dithers/




As China And Japan Move Closer To Armed Conflict, The Obama Administration Dangerously Dithers
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The danger of the U.S. being drawn into lethal conflict with China over the Japan-China Senkaku/Diaoyu islands dispute has

日本語: 東シナ海ガス田掘削マップ (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
just risen. That the Obama administration has not done more to push the disputants—and particularly Japan—to de-escalate the crisis and to begin negotiating a resolution, is egregious negligence and incompetence in foreign policy that is already damaging and could be disastrous.
The new escalation is the announcement by China on November 23 that it has established an “air defense identification zone” extending over a broad swath of the East China Sea, including the airspace above the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, within which aircraft not clearly commercial traffic or otherwise properly identifying themselves would become targets of “defensive emergency measures.” The map and coordinates of the zone broadly overlap airspace similarly designated by Japan. This is a formula for repeated, dangerous confrontations, if not for inevitable conflict.
In recent months, notwithstanding several times per week “incursions” into the disputed waters by opposing Coast Guard vessels the Japan-China dispute over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands seemed to be de-escalating, settling into a fairly predictable, routinized, controlled stand-off.
During the same period, to the great relief of Japan’s business community, Beijing started signaling a desire to “unthaw” economic and trade relations with Japan.
After Tokyo’s “nationalization’ of the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands last September, Beijing canceled all official and semi-official exchanges with Japan, including visits by high level Japanese business delegations, like Keidanren. The flow of products between Japan and China—including the supply by Japanese companies of critical components in many of China’s major exports, such as iPhones—continued.* But sales within China of Japanese products, especially cars, Chinese government procurement of Japanese technology, and China-to-Japan tourism plunged within formal and informal Chinese boycotts and general anti-Japanese popular sentiment.
A signal of a changed approach was Beijing’s welcome on November 19 of a high-powered Japan-China Economic Association delegation headed by honorary Toyota chairman Cho Fujio.* The delegation was met by a Chinese vice premier in charge of external economic relations, Wang Yang, who said positive things about maintaining mutually beneficial trade and commercial relations. But the Chinese side flatly refused the Japan delegation’s request to meet Premier Li Keqiang.
China’s signal to Japan was clear: a thaw in economic relations is acceptable because it serves China’s interests. But meetings that might suggest a lessening of China’s ire toward the Abe government’s unmoving position on the Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute (which is to deny that there even exists a dispute over sovereignty) are off the table as is any compromise of China’s position (that the islands are, and always have been, China’s).
The truly worrying reality is that in recent months this smoldering dispute has been redounding to the political benefit of both China’s leaders and Prime Minister Abe Shinzo’s government.* For Abe—determined to chart a more independent and active foreign and defense policy for Japan—the dispute is almost a crisis that if it did not exist, would need to be created.
As I have written before, the crisis was in fact created by the Noda government’s “nationalization”—a move fully supported by Abe and his Liberal Democratic Party (LDP)—after Japan’s ambassador to Washington was told that the U.S. did not oppose (hantai shinai) the move (this information from an interview given by Ambassador Sasae to the Asahi Shimbun).
Kurt Campbell, who, as assistant secretary of state for Asian-Pacific affairs, would have been the one communicating the U.S. position, later denied having thus sanctioned Japan’s action. But Sasae’s statement has more credibility. What seems likely is that the U.S. sanction came mainly from a Pentagon that achieved in the totally predictable ensuing crisis fulfillment of its “China threat” prophesy and, thereby, justification for layering on more commitments and missions to an aimless U.S.-Japan alliance, in the context of a military-heavy “pivot” to Asia.
For Abe the tense stand-off with China helped his party to capture the Diet upper house and to ensure that his new defense initiatives and budgets become law.* These include establishing a National Security Council on which the prime minister, the defense minister, the foreign minister, and the chief cabinet secretary will direct Japan’s security strategies and operations.
Abe’s government will adopt next month a new ten year National Security Strategy—positing above all a Chinese threat— plotting strengthened Japanese defense capability (including new forces modelled on the U.S. Marines) and anticipating reinterpretation of Japan’s “Peace Constitution” to sanction “collective defense” by which Japanese “self-defense” forces, while supporting in combat forces of an ally like the U.S. or Australia, could attack enemies that had attacked those allied forces.
With a deadline of next summer, U.S. and Japanese defense officials are jointly redrafting “guidelines” governing joint operations, the outcome of which will be expanded Japanese authority and responsibility both for its own defense, and for supporting U.S. forces in the event of conflict. Under the U.S.-Japan security treaty, the U.S. commitment for defend “territories under Japanese administration” is open-ended and unlimited, up to an including the use of nuclear weapons.
Which bring us to the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands and the greatly elevated risk of Japan-China armed clashes presented by overlapping China-Japan “air defense identification zones.”
Notwithstanding the U.S.-Japan security treaty, there can be no justification in terms of U.S. interests for U.S. military involvement in the Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute. Quite the opposite. U.S. security requires that the United States absolutely not be dragged into armed confrontation with China over these insignificant islands. (Is it necessary to remind that U.S. policy for 70 years has been to “take no position” on the ultimate sovereignty of the islands, which is to say that the U.S. officially credits neither Japan’s nor China’s claim—nor that of Taiwan?)
U.S. action and policy in this matter have been a combination of drift and distraction at the State Department, ignorance and inertia in the NSC, and bureaucratic self-dealing and recklessness at DoD. The Obama administration should wake up to the dangers and make de-escalation and progress toward a negotiated Japan-China modus vivendi and territorial de-militarization an urgent diplomatic and security objective. It is time for the U.S. to lead Abe to the negotiating table.

 

[chuckyworld]

Japan government always deny they did anything wrong.

One was a copy of a 1993 statement from Yohei Kono, then the chief cabinet secretary, in which the Japanese government acknowledged the involvement of military authorities in the coercion and suffering of comfort women.

The other was a 2001 letter to surviving comfort women from Junichiro Koizumi, then the prime minister, apologizing for their treatment.

Mr. Hiroki then said the Japanese authorities “wanted our memorial removed,” Mr. Rotundo recalled.

The consul general also said the Japanese government was willing to plant cherry trees in the borough, donate books to the public library “and do some things to show that we’re united in this world and not divided,” Mr. Rotundo said. But the offer was contingent on the memorial’s removal. “I couldn’t believe my ears,” said Jason Kim, deputy mayor of Palisades Park and a Korean-American, who was at the meeting. “My blood shot up like crazy.”

Borough officials rejected the request, and the delegation left.

The second delegation arrived on May 6 and was led by four members of the Japanese Parliament. Their approach was less diplomatic, Mr. Rotundo said. The politicians, members of the opposition Liberal Democratic Party, tried, in asking that the monument be removed, to convince the Palisades Park authorities that comfort women had never been forcibly conscripted as sex slaves.

“They said the comfort women were a lie, that they were set up by an outside agency, that they were women who were paid to come and take care of the troops,” the mayor related. “I said, ‘We’re not going to take it down, but thanks for coming.’ ”

They the japan government might need a few more Tsunamis and earthquakes of 8 and above to wake up.

 

[chuckyworld]

The Cairo Declaration was a statement of intention. The Allies, however, did not recognize that the Cairo Declaration itself affected any transfer of Taiwan's sovereignty to China.[2][3] However, by signing the Instrument of Surrender (2 Sep 1945), Japan specifically accepted the terms of the Potsdam declaration, which incorporated by reference the terms of the Cairo Declaration: "We, acting by command of and on behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently adhered to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers." [4] The Potsdam Declaration (26 Jul 1945) stipulated that: "(8) The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out AND Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine."[5]

A declassified CIA report written in March 1949 claimed that Taiwan was not part of the Republic of China, and therefore there had been no internationally recognized transfer of Taiwan's territorial sovereignty to China as a result of the Cairo Declaration or the Potsdam Declaration.[6]

 

[Sideswipe]

A declassified CIA report written in March 1949 claimed that Taiwan was not part of the Republic of China, and therefore there had been no internationally recognized transfer of Taiwan's territorial sovereignty to China as a result of the Cairo Declaration or the Potsdam Declaration.[6]

according to the treaty of Taipei 1952, Article 4 - "It is recognized that all treaties, conventions and agreements concluded before December 9, 1941, between China and Japan have become null and void as a consequence of the war." so the treaty of Shimonoseki 1895 was annulled which Qing China ceded Taiwan to Japan. therefore China naturally holds sovereignty over Taiwan again.

the treaty of Taipei was abrogated by Japan in 1972 when Japan and the PRC established official relations.

 

[chuckyworld]

The question is who really own the islands?, Japan, Taiwan and China have valid claim depending on who you want to believe in.

I put the blame on US, they simply give away islands that doesn't belong to them.

 

[chuckyworld]

It is also part of US Strategic Planning to box in China and restricting sea lane movement, just look at the map North you have Japan, in the South you have Philippine and Vietnam, that is why they are so eager to move their military assets to SEA.

US has this planned out way back, http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/152/25778.html

Let me describe our military organization in the Pacific – an area through which I have traveled extensively during the past three years. PACOM has always been the largest, most venerable, and most interesting of the U.S. military's area commands. (Its roots go back to the U.S. Pacific Army of the Philippines War, 1899-1902.) Its domain stretches from East Africa to beyond the International Date Line and includes the entire Pacific Rim, encompassing half the world's surface and more than half of its economy. The world's six largest militaries, two of which (America's and China's) are the most rapidly modernizing, all operate within PACOM's sphere of control. PACOM has – in addition to its many warships and submarines – far more dedicated troops than CENTCOM. Even though the military's area commands do not own troops today in the way they used to, these statistics matter, because they demonstrate that the United States has chosen to locate the bulk of its forces in the Pacific, not in the Middle East. CENTCOM fights wars with troops essentially borrowed from PACOM.

Quietly in recent years, by negotiating bilateral security agreements with countries that have few such arrangements with one another, the U.S. military has formed a Pacific military alliance of sorts at PACOM headquarters, in Honolulu. This is where the truly interesting meetings are being held today, rather than in Ditchley or Davos. The attendees at those meetings, who often travel on PACOM's dime, are military officers from such places as Vietnam, Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, and the Philippines.

Otto von Bismarck, the father of the Second Reich in continental Europe, would recognize the emerging Pacific system. In 2002 the German commentator Josef Joffe appreciated this in a remarkably perceptive article in The National Interest, in which he argued that in terms of political alliances, the United States has come to resemble Bismarck's Prussia. Britain, Russia, and Austria needed Prussia more than they needed one another, Joffe wrote, thus making them "spokes" to Berlin's "hub"; the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan exposed a world in which America can forge different coalitions for different crises. The world's other powers, he said, now need the United States more than they need one another.

 

[iluvgst]

Japan government always deny they did anything wrong.

One was a copy of a 1993 statement from Yohei Kono, then the chief cabinet secretary, in which the Japanese government acknowledged the involvement of military authorities in the coercion and suffering of comfort women.

The other was a 2001 letter to surviving comfort women from Junichiro Koizumi, then the prime minister, apologizing for their treatment.

Mr. Hiroki then said the Japanese authorities “wanted our memorial removed,” Mr. Rotundo recalled.

The consul general also said the Japanese government was willing to plant cherry trees in the borough, donate books to the public library “and do some things to show that we’re united in this world and not divided,” Mr. Rotundo said. But the offer was contingent on the memorial’s removal. “I couldn’t believe my ears,” said Jason Kim, deputy mayor of Palisades Park and a Korean-American, who was at the meeting. “My blood shot up like crazy.”

Borough officials rejected the request, and the delegation left.

The second delegation arrived on May 6 and was led by four members of the Japanese Parliament. Their approach was less diplomatic, Mr. Rotundo said. The politicians, members of the opposition Liberal Democratic Party, tried, in asking that the monument be removed, to convince the Palisades Park authorities that comfort women had never been forcibly conscripted as sex slaves.

“They said the comfort women were a lie, that they were set up by an outside agency, that they were women who were paid to come and take care of the troops,” the mayor related. “I said, ‘We’re not going to take it down, but thanks for coming.’ ”

They the japan government might need a few more Tsunamis and earthquakes of 8 and above to wake up.

it's high time China invades Japan and 'recruit' the japanese women as comfort women.

 

[carnage]

There is a complete lack of the world's best Chinese brutality and Carnage for the last 2~3 centuries. I think it is time of it's returns. I hope the Japanese corpses pile up higher than Mount Fuji, and their land smokes in radiation for 200 years.

 

[JeanGrey]

There is a complete lack of the world's best Chinese brutality and Carnage for the last 2~3 centuries. I think it is time of it's returns. I hope the Japanese corpses pile up higher than Mount Fuji, and their land smokes in radiation for 200 years.

if japan, china, taiwan and korea were united as one, they would be an unstoppable force. keeping them apart serves the interests of others.

 

[chuckyworld]

if japan, china, taiwan and korea were united as one, they would be an unstoppable force. keeping them apart serves the interests of others.

It is in the US interest to keep China,Taiwan, North/South Korea and Japan at odd, better still if they had a small scale wars, US has been egging japan on, they will be able to test out their new military hardware.

Just a few more Tsunamis and earthquakes of 8 and above to befall on Japan and their scumbag government

 

[JeanGrey]

US has been egging japan on

how have they been doing this?

 

[Brubeck]

The US should just fucking blanket bomb India, Indonesia, Malaysia, North Korea and all the fucking mudlims cuntries :oIo:

 

[JeanGrey]

The US should just fucking blanket bomb India, Indonesia, Malaysia, North Korea and all the fucking mudlims cuntries :oIo:

yup and i'm sure the other nuke powers will just sit back and watch the show

world war threeZ in da makin'

 

[chuckyworld]

Well they just supply new missiles and radars to Japan, and if you did follow new of the far east you can clearly see what is going on.

US are moving most of their military assets to SEA, it doesn't take a rocket science to figure it out, look at the map of far east and China, US are trying to box in China.

Did US voice any concern when japan say it would shoot down any manned or unmanned aircraft that enter the dispute islands, no they are giving the nip a free hand to do what they like.

 

[zhihau]

kin ah! tiao zui ah! pit tio liao ah! hian toh liao! hoot ah!

 

[chuckyworld]

Well, You might change your mind if you know that the main interest of the US in east Asia is to maintain its protectorship over Japan and keeps its military bases for as long as possible and that the Senkaku problem was actually created by the US for this purpose when Henry Kissinger decided to transfer the administration of these rocks without handing over their sovereignty to Japan in around 1970.

This virtually ensured that Japan would never have good relations with China. And that's probably why Henry Kissinger became very angry when Kakuei Tanaka went to China in 1972 to normalize ties and said the following:

"Of all the treacherous sons of bitxhes, the Jps take the cake. It's not just their indecent haste in normalizing relations with China, but they even picked National Day as their preference to go there"

This shows the US has absolutely no interest in the sovereignty of these rocks as long as the problem will make Japan a US protectorate for as long as possible.

Besides encouraging Japan to reclaim the Ryukyus and Senkakus that it had given up in the various peace treaties/agreements thereby creating bad relations between China and Japan, the US also encouraged Japan to reclaim the Kurile islands that it had given up in the San Francisco Peace Treaty and by doing so, ensured that Japan would never sign a peace treaty with Russia.

And when Japan held a 2+2 meeting with Russia recently, Obama quickly asked his Pentagon spokesman to publicly announce that the US has no plans to defend the Senkakus with Japan.

This shows that the Senkakus is just a bait that the US uses to make Japan a permanent protectorate.

And it seems the US even doesn't want Japan to have good relations with North Korea. That's probably why Japan was severely criticized by the US when Shinzo Abe sent an envoy to North Korea months ago.

So it is clear that the US doesn't want Japan to have good relations with its neighbors. Furthermore, it doesn't want Japan to go to war with its neighbors too since it is likely to lose its protectorate regardless of whether Japan wins or loses a major war against China or Russia.

 

[JeanGrey]

Did US voice any concern when japan say it would shoot down any manned or unmanned aircraft that enter the dispute islands, no they are giving the nip a free hand to do what they like.

hope the japanese are more level headed now post-hiroshima/nagasaki

 

[carnage]

if japan, china, taiwan and korea were united as one, they would be an unstoppable force. keeping them apart serves the interests of others.

Only possible from of unification is by the strongest conquered all the others. USA for example is fromed by civil war n independence war n war with Spanish taking Mexican territory. China was fromed from Qin conquered all the rest of weaker kingdoms n later grew by further conquests.

It is carnage after carnage of mass scales that created big strong powers. Soviet USSR also the same.

Any unity by voluntary agreement s will be too fragile n not durable. Such as CB EU which will soon fall apart n die.

Carnage is magic.

 

[Leongsam]

If China is not careful, the Japs will whip their asses and rape their women all over again.