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Call your MP. Tell him or her to bring a PAP blanket.
knn
any declaration of pubic holiday?
Useful information for when you're dead!
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KNN that means actuallee don't need call polis if familee loctor willing to come KNN but my uncle think most Chao turtle loctor won't want to come becas scared of certify wronglee KNN
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must check with Loctor @nayr69sg
knn lidat
loctor cums
just feel got pulse or not
look at watch
to indicate time of mati
just one to two mins job
can chrage you few hundered dollars for house visit
knn sibei good income
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you betterest whatsapp me just before u mati
i organise pek-kim money collections from sbf samsters
then give me your sweet sweet smile peekture
we publish obituary here
and sbf flag fly at half mast for 49 days
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My uncle think loctor nay will onlee charge $69.90 for this KNN if you leeleever your body there he charge you $14 KNN
very true. gonna sign up
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My uncle think loctor will feel pulse and look at watch but not based on current time since you already mati before he arrives KNN he will need to estimate the timing KNN but my uncle no idea how they check details and put the cause of death since they cannot see the inside on the spot KNN
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Is it true that Muslim are buried verticallee? KNN
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That's what I was told. But not sure if it's right side up or upside down. Still vertical leh.
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KNN maybe that leepends on the leeson for being vertical KNN if is to save space then maybe is on leemand or 1 upside down 1 upside up KNNThat's what I was told. But not sure if it's right side up or upside down. Still vertical leh.
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I think it's because of their religious teachings rather than to save space. But best way to save space is to cremate but their religion does not allow that. They are also against embalming. But I like that they just wrap the corpse like a mummy, no need to waste money on a coffin.
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dont worlee
limpeh chao turtle
everytime past by your sea grave
will salute you
and make sure no unauthorised creatures hanging around
must still maintain safe distance of 6 nautical feet
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I thought non moslems are incinerated. Need coffin for this?On the contrary Singapore's undertakers are curvier and even better dressed.
This 26-Year-Old Singaporean Girl Left The Corporate World To Bury The Dead
August 22, 2017
The universal truth is that all living things die, yet death is an inevitable fate we often fear and avoid. We’d splurge thousands of dollars on obituaries and sympathy flowers but would rather steer away from a man lying in his coffin. “Pantang lah,” old wives would mutter.
But for 26-year-old Kelly Lim, superstitions aren’t enough to deter her from arranging funerals for strangers on a daily basis.
Early this year, Kelly left her sales & trading job in an IT firm to take over her family’s funeral business, Hiap Hin Tian Kee Undertaker. Despite the unexpected call-ups during odd hours, she cites being an undertaker as a meaningful career.
“I recently organised a funeral for a 21-year-old NS man who committed suicide and his mother was too distressed to handle the situation,” she tells me. “I may not save lives but I help families be at ease.”
As her family has done for the past 70-odd years, Kelly dedicates her time to help others cope with their loss by handling funeral arrangements. Besides services such as embalmment, cremation and burial, she’d also offer emotional support for those in grief.
Day in the life of an undertaker
The process sounds straightforward: when Kelly first receives a call, she’ll ask for their address, settle the deceased’s death certificate and ask the family members if they wish to embalm the body.
Next, they’ll arrange the full setup of the funeral at the venue. Depending on the deceased’s religion, they’ll organise the required rituals, and have the casket sent to the crematorium on the last day.
But behind each step, Kelly admits being in a time-sensitive industry can be operationally demanding.
“We cannot anticipate how many funerals there will be in a day. Miscommunication and manpower issues can pose a problem. Sometimes, we have to find a way to schedule our workers without compromising on our customers’ requests.”
The future of funeral businesses
While medical or engineering degrees are noble pursuits, Kelly believes young Singaporeans often overlook and undervalue essential careers in trades such as the funeral industry.
“When I lost my uncle to cancer earlier this year, I never realised the significance of a good embalmer. His body was so frail but the embalmer managed to preserve his body which made him look healthy and well.”
But Kelly laments getting into the trade can be a challenge, as skills in the funeral industry have to be learnt on-the-job.
“Most people I work with are elderly men who speak in dialect,” she tells me. “They’re not highly educated and do things based on their gut instincts. This means they find it hard to explain certain instructions.”
As a result, communication and language barriers are adversities both young and old generations have to overcome in order to preserve the trade.
Yet, despite the challenges, Kelly hopes our generation can learn the ropes and help push the local industry forward. Kelly cites freeze-drying bodies into fertilizer as one such advanced “environmentally-friendly burial technique” she wishes to adopt.
Like all industries, she feels it’s important for funeral businesses to constantly evolve and advance in techniques. “You just need to keep observing, keep learning on your own and not limit yourself to what you think you cannot do,” advises Kelly.
If catered food runs out during a funeral, Kelly would sometimes buy packet food for guests.
The importance of empathy
When asked if she can recall an incident which struck a chord with her, Kelly tells me of her friend’s father who had recently passed away.
“It was the first time a friend approached me for help. It was also the first time I had to fully handle an entire funeral from start to end. Although there were some hiccups, it was a job well done.”
“My friend was extremely grateful throughout the entire process. He trusted me so I wanted to make sure I did a great job. I saw how much a service affects the families directly and felt his heartfelt gratitude.”
So what’s one takeaway she learnt from being an undertaker?
“Empathy,” she tells me, without hesitation.
“With empathy comes patience, which is important when family members are flustered and ask repeated questions. To me, that is good customer service regardless of how well the funeral turns out.”
On what the funeral trade taught her
For someone who constantly stares at death in the face, Kelly has a lively personality. “I used to fear death but once I accepted it, I started to live my life knowing every moment is a blessing,” she explains.
So how would an undertaker picture her own funeral when the time comes?
“I’d like a happy funeral. When I was young, I wondered why people had to play mahjong to stay awake at songkas. Death is a natural process, so why don’t we celebrate life instead?”
“I’d love to look awesome even on my death bed with nice blusher and highlighter,” she beams. “Maybe even with DJ Khaled spinning some great tunes.”
But until playing upbeat mainstream music at funerals is considered acceptable, Kelly hopes to preserve the traditional funeral rites which may fade away in the years to come.
Cannot anyhow certify death lah.
What is the cause?
Existing diagnosis of cancer?
It is good money. But must be careful.
Call police they usually will help you call their regular death certifying dr to see if will sign cert. Why?
Cos if GP sign death cert then is not considered unnatural death. Then police can close file no need investigate write long report. Easier. Less work.
I know this because I waa called before on a case. Man died in flat. Son who lives with him has mental issues. Another son came to visit and found father dead. No past medical history. Healthy. Just found dead at rhe door. The other son called police. The police came and told the son to try call me.
I explained to son I cant certify death in this case as there is no history to suggest any cause of death. If you insist I go i can but i wont be able to cerify COD. I asked the son why you called me? He said police asked him to. I askee if police still there? He aaid yes. I asked to speak to the police officer.
I asked the policeman why he suggested calling me? This case not clear cut natural cause of death. He replied that they always call dr see if dr will cerify. If cerity then they close case as natural COD no need write report easier for them. He asked me can "help or not"?
Maybe there are other GPs who will. Which is why once in a while you will see some Drs get disciplined for mot properly cerifying death.
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So under this kind of case is it have to leeleeverlee to hospital morgue then settle from there?
IF THE DEATH OCCURRED AT HOME
If your loved one passed away at home, you need to call a doctor to certify the death. This can be your family doctor or a neighbourhood GP. If you cannot find a doctor, you can call the police.If the death was natural and occurred at home, you can get the doctor to certify the cause of death. The doctor issues the Certificate of Cause of Death. This allows you to apply for a death certificate required for you to carry out the funeral arrangements. If the cause of death was unknown or unnatural, the doctor will not issue the CCOD yet, and will instead refer the matter to the police.
Please remember that although the police might encourage all parties to go for the CCOD issues by dr route, it is not necessarily the correct thing to do legally in all cases of death at home. Contrary to however the police might make it seem to be. Respect the Dr's assessment and decision if he chooses not to issue the CCOD and refer the matter to the police. I have heard of cases where both family and police will say let's try another Dr until they find one who issues the CCOD.
I guess in the end it is the Drs who have to bear the responsibility if the cause of death is not as certified. Not the police.
Refer to police. Police should be the one decide call the coroner come on site. On send to morgue etc.
But as I have mentioned, the rank and file police would much prefer a Dr come and just sign CCOD in ALL cases where they are called.
Some cases too obvious really cannot say is natural death then boh bian.
I would caution young Drs going into this field of "professional death certifying" full time that it is risky. Good money yes.
But remember the family AND the Police is likely to be hoping you sign when you arrive. They will ask why don't sign? The funeral services casket people might also be there already just wait for you to "sign" then go ahead with funeral arrangements liao.
So a lot of pressure once you "turn up".
Very hard to say no. People might scream and cry. Shout at you. Curse you. Verbally abuse you. Plead and say dowan cut him up at morgue. Why you so cruel etc.
But whatever information you write in the certificate has to be correct. Factual. Defensible in court. Accountable to insurance companies. Accountable to law. Truth.
What you may feel as being "helpful" and sign the death cert, "help" family, they agree dead has had heart disease for 6 years , you write, but later turns out cannot claim insurance then court ask why you say 6 years? You say oh is the family said. Family says NO I NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT! DOCTOR OWNSELF PLUCK FROM THIN AIR!
Yup yup......
I guess the behavior of some Drs also puzzle police. I am a bit surprised the Police was the one who wrote to complain about him. He must have been helpful in some cases?
This Dr recalcitrant. Struck off register! Sigh
https://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/doctor-struck-register-wrongly-certifying-cause-death
Doctor struck off register for wrongly certifying cause of death
Dr Kwan Kah Yee had earlier been suspended and fined twice. TNP PHOTO: WONG KWAI CHOW
This article is more than 12 months old
Jun 05, 2020 06:00 am
A doctor has been struck off the Register of Medical Practitioners for wrongly certifying the cause of death. This is the fourth time he has been found guilty of doing this.
On March 17, 2013, following a call from the dead person's mother, Dr Kwan Kah Yee went to the home of the dead person, who had been found face down on the mattress in the master bedroom.
This was after the person had been declared dead by paramedics. The police had also been called in.
He declared the death was caused by ischaemic heart disease and that the condition had started three years previously.
Following an examination, he told the police that the bruises over the neck, chest and upper limb were consistent with his diagnosis.
In June that year, the police wrote to the Singapore Medical Council (SMC). As a result, the watchdog lodged a complaint against the doctor with the chairman of the Complaints Committee.
SINGAPORE
Dr Kwan, who is in his late 60s, pleaded guilty to wrongfully certifying the cause of death.
During the course of the inquiry, he claimed that a police officer had handed him a report from National University Hospital (NUH) stating that the dead person had been treated for ischaemic heart disease.
But investigations proved this to be a lie, as there had been no such report nor had the person been treated at the NUH.
Dr Kwan then said he had been told by the dead person's mother that the dead person had suffered non-specific weakness, which he said supported his diagnosis.
But the disciplinary tribunal did not accept this, as Dr Kwan had earlier written that the mother had "incoherent speech and medical condition of vascular dementia".
The tribunal said that a doctor should obtain clinical and medical information to verify the cause of death, or refer the case to a coroner if there is insufficient information.
It said: "The issuance of false death certificate is a very grave breach of a doctor's ethical and professional duties."
Such behaviour, it said, is sufficiently egregious to amount to professional misconduct.
Dr Kwan had twice previously been suspended and fined - also for wrongly certifying the cause of death.
In 2009, he also certified a death as ischaemic heart disease, which he said the dead person had suffered from for six years. The person's daughter lodged a complaint following problems with an insurance claim. - probably if not for insurance claim would have got away with it. I bet the insurance claim stuff had to do with "pre-existing conditions" and perhaps if death was due to it then no claim can be made. And the COD was one of the pre-existing illnesses.
The disciplinary committee found he "had effectively plucked from the air a figure of six years for the patient's alleged ischaemic heart disease". - aha! Yup. So then became before the policy was signed maybe 5 years ago? So becomes undeclared pre-existing illness!
He was suspended for three months and fined $5,000 in 2011 for the offence.
The second time he was hauled before a disciplinary committee was for two similar offences that had taken place in March 2010 and March 2011.
In October 2014, he was suspended for three months for each offence, with the two suspensions running concurrently.
Finding the penalty too lenient, the SMC appealed to the Court of Three Judges which, in July 2015 increased Dr Kwan’s suspension to 18 months for each offence, with the suspension to run consecutively, resulting in a total suspension of three years. He also had to pay the SMC $6,000 in legal costs.
The Court of Three Judges said unnatural deaths need to be investigated, and in a rare move referred the case to the Attorney-General, resulting in a nine-month jail term for Dr Kwan in July 2016.
This Dr recalcitrant. Struck off register! Sigh
https://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/doctor-struck-register-wrongly-certifying-cause-death
Doctor struck off register for wrongly certifying cause of death
This article is more than 12 months old
He had been found guilty of similar offences since 2009
SALMA KHALIK, SENIOR HEALTH CORRESPONDENTJun 05, 2020 06:00 am
A doctor has been struck off the Register of Medical Practitioners for wrongly certifying the cause of death. This is the fourth time he has been found guilty of doing this.
On March 17, 2013, following a call from the dead person's mother, Dr Kwan Kah Yee went to the home of the dead person, who had been found face down on the mattress in the master bedroom.
This was after the person had been declared dead by paramedics. The police had also been called in.
He declared the death was caused by ischaemic heart disease and that the condition had started three years previously.
Following an examination, he told the police that the bruises over the neck, chest and upper limb were consistent with his diagnosis.
In June that year, the police wrote to the Singapore Medical Council (SMC). As a result, the watchdog lodged a complaint against the doctor with the chairman of the Complaints Committee.
SINGAPORE
Some 5½ years later, in May last year, Dr Kwan was served a notice of inquiry. No reason was given for the delay.Dr Kwan, who is in his late 60s, pleaded guilty to wrongfully certifying the cause of death.
During the course of the inquiry, he claimed that a police officer had handed him a report from National University Hospital (NUH) stating that the dead person had been treated for ischaemic heart disease.
But investigations proved this to be a lie, as there had been no such report nor had the person been treated at the NUH.
Dr Kwan then said he had been told by the dead person's mother that the dead person had suffered non-specific weakness, which he said supported his diagnosis.
But the disciplinary tribunal did not accept this, as Dr Kwan had earlier written that the mother had "incoherent speech and medical condition of vascular dementia".
The tribunal said that a doctor should obtain clinical and medical information to verify the cause of death, or refer the case to a coroner if there is insufficient information.
It said: "The issuance of false death certificate is a very grave breach of a doctor's ethical and professional duties."
Such behaviour, it said, is sufficiently egregious to amount to professional misconduct.
Dr Kwan had twice previously been suspended and fined - also for wrongly certifying the cause of death.
In 2009, he also certified a death as ischaemic heart disease, which he said the dead person had suffered from for six years. The person's daughter lodged a complaint following problems with an insurance claim. - probably if not for insurance claim would have got away with it. I bet the insurance claim stuff had to do with "pre-existing conditions" and perhaps if death was due to it then no claim can be made. And the COD was one of the pre-existing illnesses.
The disciplinary committee found he "had effectively plucked from the air a figure of six years for the patient's alleged ischaemic heart disease". - aha! Yup. So then became before the policy was signed maybe 5 years ago? So becomes undeclared pre-existing illness!
He was suspended for three months and fined $5,000 in 2011 for the offence.
The second time he was hauled before a disciplinary committee was for two similar offences that had taken place in March 2010 and March 2011.
In October 2014, he was suspended for three months for each offence, with the two suspensions running concurrently.
Finding the penalty too lenient, the SMC appealed to the Court of Three Judges which, in July 2015 increased Dr Kwan’s suspension to 18 months for each offence, with the suspension to run consecutively, resulting in a total suspension of three years. He also had to pay the SMC $6,000 in legal costs.
The Court of Three Judges said unnatural deaths need to be investigated, and in a rare move referred the case to the Attorney-General, resulting in a nine-month jail term for Dr Kwan in July 2016.
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Maybe he met a verlee hardworking leesponsible polis
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