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[USA] - Father trying to raise funds for baby boy with severe medical conditions, upset at sign "Stop raising funds, let the baby die, it's Darwinism"

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https://sg.yahoo.com/news/let-the-baby-die-sign-attacks-dad-disabled-son-214738884.html
 

Leongsam

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Although the sign wasn't phrased very well I do have to agree that letting the baby go would be the most humane course of action.

The medical profession have no qualms about administering pointless treatment which carries absolutely no hope of a positive outcome. If anyone is being cruel and greedy the finger has to point at the doctors for giving hope when there is none.
 

Hypocrite-The

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Although the sign wasn't phrased very well I do have to agree that letting the baby go would be the most humane course of action.

The medical profession have no qualms about administering pointless treatment which carries absolutely no hope of a positive outcome. If anyone is being cruel and greedy the finger has to point at the doctors for giving hope when there is none.
Well said. If the baby continues living it will only be a burden upon himself n the family n society as a whole. And death is part of life, deal with it.
 

Leongsam

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Well said. If the baby continues living it will only be a burden upon himself n the family n society as a whole. And death is part of life, deal with it.
The parents seem to forget that one day they'll be dead and gone and their cute, adorable baby will become a full grown, useless, miserable adult that taxpayers have to pay the astronomical bills for.

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KuanTi01

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Although the sign wasn't phrased very well I do have to agree that letting the baby go would be the most humane course of action.

The medical profession have no qualms about administering pointless treatment which carries absolutely no hope of a positive outcome. If anyone is being cruel and greedy the finger has to point at the doctors for giving hope when there is none.

I think so too. Sometimes it's good to be heartless in order to be kind. No point delaying the inevitable and causing all sorts of tangible and intangible suffering.
 

nayr69sg

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It isnt so much what doctors think and want to do anymore. It is what the patient or patients family, politicians and media say doctors should do.

Doctor is just the butler.
 

mojito

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It isnt so much what doctors think and want to do anymore. It is what the patient or patients family, politicians and media say doctors should do.

Doctor is just the butler.
Of course! Order a burger give me cold sandwich I sure get angry, wouldn't you? :mad:
 

nayr69sg

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Of course! Order a burger give me cold sandwich I sure get angry, wouldn't you? :mad:
Yes. But in some situation you might not know what you are ordering is when you order it. But the person preparing it or making it knows.

Anyway these days customer is king. Except when you are the victim and you are dealing with the police.

Police all act like big fuck.
 

Hypocrite-The

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It isnt so much what doctors think and want to do anymore. It is what the patient or patients family, politicians and media say doctors should do.

Doctor is just the butler.
Not true. In ang mor lands it's the Drs tat forced the parents to treat the kids. If everyone opt for Soylent Green, these doctors etc will b out of a job.
 

nayr69sg

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Not true. In ang mor lands it's the Drs tat forced the parents to treat the kids. If everyone opt for Soylent Green, these doctors etc will b out of a job.

Actually in ang mor lands the patient has full autonomy. Patient or parents of children decide to treat or not to treat etc. Doctors are obliged to provide information and advice but ultimate decision lies with the patient or parents.

Or in certain cases, if the law deems the patient or parents to be incapable of making a decision then some committee decides.

NEVER will it be the doctor who decides and is allowed to decide on behalf of the patient. It would be a pipe dream for every doctor if there was such rules!
 

Hypocrite-The

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Actually in ang mor lands the patient has full autonomy. Patient or parents of children decide to treat or not to treat etc. Doctors are obliged to provide information and advice but ultimate decision lies with the patient or parents.

Or in certain cases, if the law deems the patient or parents to be incapable of making a decision then some committee decides.

NEVER will it be the doctor who decides and is allowed to decide on behalf of the patient. It would be a pipe dream for every doctor if there was such rules!
My bad. The doctors forced the courts to allow treatment. Decision was taken over by the courts from the parents.

Court orders chemotherapy for cancer-stricken boy Oshin Kiszko after parents refuse
Perth child with cancer Oshin Kiszko is being ordered to undergo chemotherapy.
PHOTO Oshin Kiszko, 6, has a 30 per cent chance of survival at five years with treatment, the court heard. FACEBOOK: OCEANS OF HOPE
The parents of a Perth boy with brain cancer have been ordered by Western Australia's Family Court to allow him to undergo potentially life-saving chemotherapy treatment.
Angela Kiszko and Adrian Strachan have said they do not want their son Oshin, 6, to suffer from the side effects of chemotherapy and radiotherapy.
A Princess Margaret Hospital (PMH) doctor took legal action after the parents refused to allow the treatment.
The Family Court Chief Judge Stephen Thackray said that while the parents tried to approach the matter on the basis of the best interests of their child, medical evidence could not be ignored.
Chief Justice Thackray said the evidence was that Oshin would die within a few months if nothing was done.
He said there was a 30 per cent chance of survival at five years if he started chemotherapy immediately, and about a 50 per cent chance if he had chemotherapy and radiotherapy.
Those statistics from experts, he said, indicated a good prospect of a long-term cure.
AMA ethics committee supports treatment
National chairman of the AMA ethics committee Michael Gannon told 720 ABC Perth it was an extremely rare case.
"The doctor's responsibility is always to do the best for a patient, and when it comes to the care of a child, they need to consider the rights of the parent or guardian," he said.
Dr Gannon said it was standard practice for complex cases to be discussed by a multi-disciplinary team including a surgeon, oncologists and others.
"I have no doubt that a case like this would've been discussed extensively by the doctor in charge before they took the difficult and, I think, the very brave step of involving the courts," he said.
"It is very difficult to try and make the case to a parent or guardian that you think you know better than their wishes for their own child.
Dr Gannon said it was a vexed and difficult ethical issue.
"The burden of proof is very high, this is not something the doctors do commonly, it's not something that they would want to do," he said.
"The case of the medical evidence would have to be extremely strong before a judge would dream of going against the wishes of a parent or guardian."
The family's lawyer issued a statement saying they were continuing with full medical treatment for Oshin as directed by the medical staff at PMH and Sir Charles Gardiner Hospital.
It went on to say the family were "distraught and traumatised by the horrible condition their son is suffering".
In a statement issued late on Friday, PMH said the case was the first occasion in which the Family Court of Western Australia had made orders for the medical treatment of a child in circumstances where the parents had refused their consent for that treatment.
It said no further comment on the case would be provided.
Oshin Kisko stands with his hands together in a prayer-like gesture.
PHOTO Chief Justice Thackray said parental power was to be exercised in the best interests of the child and was "not unlimited". FACEBOOK: OCEANS OF HOPEPosted Fri 8 Apr 2016, 1:08 PM AEST
 
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