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US vs Iran!

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Will US dare to bomb Iran just like the Iraq 2 decade ago?
I doubt so. Most will be sanction. If sanction Oil price will shot up. World will suffer.
Iran still can sell their oil to China/N.Korea/India at a discount price. China and India will buy. These 2 country demand is enough to support Iran Oil. So nothing will happen.
Both US and Iran will suffer economy lost. China will be the most happy.That why just keep quite.
Russia will also benefit because if Europe sanction Iran they will have to buy more oil from Russia at higher price.
 
The US had been sliding downwards in the past at least 5 years, after withdrawing from Iraq with yet another bleeding nose, it is desperately looking for another enemy that will show the world a clear-cut castration to put Pentagon at the humble position where it deserve to be and where it belong.:) Either be Iran or North Korea or any other more surprising country, we are awaiting for the job to be done. Bigger boys like Russia & China are backing these potential warriors by supplying intel and technologies if not weapons and equipments.

Only when US admitted fully of their true status of weakness and defeat the world will see more peace. The smaller rascals of the world are fixing the Rouge World Cop. And until the US accept it's fate and let their ego down, there is not going to be stop of flying ammunition.

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Will US dare to bomb Iran just like the Iraq 2 decade ago?
I doubt so. Most will be sanction. If sanction Oil price will shot up. World will suffer.
Iran still can sell their oil to China/N.Korea/India at a discount price. China and India will buy. These 2 country demand is enough to support Iran Oil. So nothing will happen.
Both US and Iran will suffer economy lost. China will be the most happy.That why just keep quite.
Russia will also benefit because if Europe sanction Iran they will have to buy more oil from Russia at higher price.


If US bombs Iran, the latter will shut off the Strait of Hormuz.

The US needs Iran and Israel to maintain a balance of power. Of course not vis-a-viz each other. But rather as a dual check on the Middle East. Now, Israel is strong and secure. Bombing Iran would make the situation lopsided.
 
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Iran has the capability of turning US aircraft carriers into watery coffins in the Persian Gulf.
 
Obama signs new Iran sanctions into law
By Stephen Collinson (AFP) – 1 day ago

HONOLULU, Hawaii — US President Barack Obama Saturday signed into law tough new sanctions targeting Iran's central bank and financial sector, in a move that could intensify a brewing Gulf showdown.

The measures, meant to punish Iran for its nuclear program, were contained in a mammoth $662 billion defense bill, which Obama signed despite having reservations that it ties his hands on setting foreign policy.

The sanctions are meant to hit Iran's crucial oil sector and require foreign firms to make a choice between doing business with Tehran's financial sector and central bank or the mighty US economy and financial sector.

Foreign central banks which deal with the Iranian central bank on oil transactions could also face restrictions, sparking fears of damage to US ties with key nations such as Russia and China which trade with Iran.

Obama signed the bill in Hawaii where he is on vacation, at a time of rising tension with Tehran, which has threatened to block the Strait of Hormuz -- through which more than a third of the world's tanker-borne oil passes.

The United States has warned it will "not tolerate" such an interruption. In comments reported Saturday, Tehran's top nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili warned that Iran would "give a resounding and many-pronged response to any threat" made against it.
But Jalili also said Iran was ready to rejoin EU-led talks with major powers on assuaging Western concerns over its nuclear program.

The White House held intense negotiations with Congress on the terms of the law's implementation, given concern that sanctions on Iran's central bank could spark chaos in the global financial system and hike the price of oil.

Obama said in a statement issued as he signed the bill that he was concerned the measure would interfere with his constitutional authority to conduct foreign relations by tying his hands in dealings with foreign governments.

The bill, which passed with wide majorities in Congress, did reserve some wiggle room for Obama, granting him the power to grant 120-day waivers if he judges it to be in the national security interests of the United States.

Earlier this month, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner wrote to Congress to express concern against an earlier, tougher sanctions measure along the same lines saying it could harm the US push with its partners to isolate Iran.

Geithner argued that foreign allies could resent the new US measures and make it less likely they would cooperate and the sanctions would have the "opposite effect" of their intended purpose of isolating Iran.

Senior US officials said Saturday that they would try to implement the new sanctions guidelines in a way that protected the global economy and US foreign policy priorities, in a way which would still inflict pain on Iran.

There are fears that increased sanctions on Iran's central bank could force the global price of oil to suddenly soar, and actually give Tehran a financial windfall on its existing oil sales.
Rising oil prices could also crimp the fragile economic recovery in the United States and inflict pain on American voters in gas stations -- at a time when Obama is running for reelection next year.

The Obama administration argues that it has imposed the toughest-ever sanctions on Iran by the United States and its allies and says the measures are now having a punishing impact on the Iranian economy and petroleum sector.

The West alleges Tehran is seeking to acquire a weapons capability under the guise of its nuclear research program. Iran denies any such ambition and says its work is only for civil energy and medical purposes.

In recent weeks, Iranian officials have insisted the country was ready to face new sanctions against the oil sector and central bank.

The Wall Street Journal reported this month that US and European officials were seeking assurances from major oil producers, such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, that they would increase exports to the West and Asian nations if tighter sanctions on Tehran's energy exports are enforced.

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Both of them can die for all I care :rolleyes:

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I wouldn't worry about Iran as much as I worry about N. Korea. In 1981, the Isrealis bombed Iraq' about to be operational nuclear reactor Osirak by flying across Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Not a single soul expected it including the US let alone Allies. At that time, sanctions did not bite as it does now. If it does not work, one can rely on the Israelis to do the job.

There has always been speculation that Iran's nuclear programme is actually to bait the Isrealis and to ambush them if a pre emptive stike occurs. The intention is to humiliate the Isreali as that has been the rhetoric and the intention of the attention seeking current President,

When it comes to N. Korea, there is no equivalent countermeasure in that part of World. Japan has a clear defence role and pre-emptive measures are not in their current doctrine. South Korea will not act on a gamble even if odds favour them. The consequences are all theirs to bear and understandable.

During the the Gulf war, Isrealis had their hands firmly held down by the Allies and the same was done during the Iraq invasion.

All these has also gone into the heads of the Israelis and they have been behaving badly towards NGOs and the Palestinians. Patience is wearing thin amongs the allies.
 
I wouldn't worry about Iran as much as I worry about N. Korea. In 1981, the Isrealis bombed Iraq' about to be operational nuclear reactor Osirak by flying across Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Not a single soul expected it including the US let alone Allies. At that time, sanctions did not bite as it does now. If it does not work, one can rely on the Israelis to do the job.


The Iranian nuclear programme coupled with its erratic and irrational posturing that possesses shades of ideological extremism, is all about enhancing national security.

These two strategies, working in tandem, greatly increases the level of caution with which other powers approach Iran.

Iran is fortified by mountainous terrain which makes land invasion difficult. Historically too, air attacks have also been ineffective by themselves if there's no follow-through. Hence, if Iran's nuclear facilities or other key infrastructure were attacked, there is a good chance the attack will fail to do sufficient damage, reinforcing the fear that Iran would react in a disproportionate manner, by attacking the sea lanes, for instance.

The United States will not want any power to do anything foolish to Iran because even the low probability of a disruption to global oil supplies is deemed unacceptable by the US. Hence, Iran would be counting on the US to restrain Israel. The US has incentive to do so, because Israel is currently strong and secure, and such restraint would be necessary to maintain the balance of power.
 
No one dare to start fire missile 1st.
Iran did nothing wrong. Did not attack not like Saddam attack Kuwait that give reason for US and UN to support Kuwait.
 
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do iran actually have nuclear weapons? i still remember the CIA proclaim loudly about iraq wmd which till now cannot be found. where would iran obtain its nuclear know-hows and technologies, russia? i doubt so, the last thing russian leaders want on its long southern borders with many islamic countries to be a nuclear power. it take less time for an ICBM from iran to reach moscow than from the west. Then from NKs? not likely as NK nuclear testing not entirely sucessful.

so let go back with why iran is posturing? looking as past records, face saving is very important to the iranain islamic leadership. during the begining of the 10yrs iran-iraq war, iraq sue for peace, giving away lands to iran as compensation but the ayatolla want saddam head instead so the war continue for another 10yrs costing millions of young iranian lives and gain less lands than the original deal. The 10yrs war nearly bring down the govt as the economy was in ruin.

will the sanactions work? no, if saddam can sell oil on top of the UN quota, then iran will have no problem too. but that would mean selling at discount price. only china will gain as china will find a loophole and even simply bohchap. China already laying pipeline to afganistan, will have no problem extending the pipeline to iran.

anyway, if iran really have nuclear weapons now, IDF would have carry out airstrike against the nuclear facilities. if sunni majority jordan & saudi can close one eye in the 80s, then they can close the other eye now too if IDF put out a informal request as sunni majority countries would not want a nuclear power shia state.
 
all part of the Zionist Jewish plan to have Christians fight Muslims.........their long-time enemies........


all the wars in the last 20 odd years mostly US, UK and other Christian countries against MUslim countries in Middle East.
 
There will be no big moves from US and Iran. both countries have parties facing elections. Assasinations, drones and secret services will be the new play thing. middle East have always been about what they are sitting on and the national security of Isreal. one would watch the dominant role turkey is playing as well. Not a good year for peace in the middle East.:(
 
Iran and US play mouth war. Just like Ah Ram and Psy83.
 
No one dare to start fire missile 1st.
Iran did nothing wrong. Did not attack not like Saddam attack Kuwait that give reason for US and UN to support Kuwait.

99% of the Afghan population don't even know the Twin Towers. Osama was found in Pakistan(apparently). Afghans can only blame their strategic location.
 
China really laughing in their mind. Both US and Iran spend money. And China get the oil with big discount.
Ego will bankrupt the US.
Next year estimate US budget deficit by at least US$1trillion add another trillion to the debt.
 
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