US tariff don't work on China

1 sentence sums up everything: This bastard Trump should have been shot dead during that assassination attempt.

I had already said many times before: No country imposes double-digit tariffs against another country in one instance. This is total madness and illogical. One can impose tariffs, but single digit percentage at a time and thereafter, allow several months to see its effectiveness before deciding on taking further actions again if necessary.
Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac. Everything is about himself, his image, his family, his concept of America as an imperial power, his need to have everyone bow to him. He is not interested in the American ppl, in rebuilding American infrastructure, in giving the ppl good education, jobs health care and welfare.

And huge tariffs don't work. They just shut down trade, invite retaliation, and result in your country being isolated in the long run.
 

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What do Trumptard Minions in this forum now have to say?

That Autistic Lan Jiao Kia Elon, the world's richest man but also with a huge inferiority complex, had claimed that his DOGE can save the Federal Government US$2t, then downgrade to US1t and again to US$150b. In reality, it's likely to be US$92b at most, but still without details.

I can only say that America's trustworthiness and credibility are now trashed and gone to the dogs. It won't be easy to rebuild them again as even their allies are now skeptical in believing Trump and his gang anymore.

They think they are very smart, just like those Trumptard Minions here do, but things are now starting to get backfired.

I want to reiterate again that I'm no fan of the CCP, but the way the Trump Administration whacks China and the world is too extreme and totally unacceptable.
 
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DT tariffs on - tariffs off statements are jus to manipulate the NY stocks markets ..
 
DT tariffs on - tariffs off statements are jus to manipulate the NY stocks markets ..
Which is another reason why US is in such a mess. Companies focus more on dividends and stock price rather than R& D.
China now spends multiple times more in R&D than the US. the tide has turned.
 
Stiglitz is spot on. Bringing back manufacturing is more just than building factories: you need skilled labor, supply chain, logistics. Plus modern manufacturing uses a lot of robotics that’s not going to create a lot of jobs.

America’s strengths lie in exporting services, tourism, college education; but Trump has dealt the death knell for these industries in one fell swoop.

 
Stiglitz is spot on. Bringing back manufacturing is more just than building factories: you need skilled labor, supply chain, logistics. Plus modern manufacturing uses a lot of robotics that’s not going to create a lot of jobs.

America’s strengths lie in exporting services, tourism, college education; but Trump has dealt the death knell for these industries in one fell swoop.


To be fair, 90% of all Cars for china market are made in China.
But in US, I think it's less than 50%. Manufacturers took advantage of US Open trading to make huge profit.
 
To be fair, 90% of all Cars for china market are made in China.
But in US, I think it's less than 50%. Manufacturers took advantage of US Open trading to make huge profit.
Don't blame China. US car manufacturing already went downhill in the '80s, losing out to the Japanese in terms of quality, reliability, price and after-sales service. The mad dogs on Capitol Hill were calling for tariffs as they're now, and this finally led to the Plaza Accord that sank Japan as #1.

When the US went into financial services and started to de-industrialize, the auto industry just got hollowed out, with all the factories and jobs going overseas.
 
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/opinion-china-teaching-trump-tough-130000958.html

Opinion - China is teaching Trump some tough lessons on trade​

Chris Truax, opinion contributor
Fri, 25 April 2025 at 9:00 PM SGT·5-min read
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Opinion - China is teaching Trump some tough lessons on trade

China is about to hand President Trump his head.

Trump’s efforts to bully China into submission via tariffs has already gone spectacularly wrong. Far from being intimidated, China has been invigorated with a new sense of national purpose. To anyone who had the slightest understanding of Chinese history, this was all perfectly predictable.

The First Opium War in 1839 — there were two — was, ironically enough, a dispute over the trade deficit. It involved Great Britain attacking China to force it to allow Western powers, including the U.S., to sell opium into China. If you imagine the Chinese occupying New York City to force the U.S. to legalize the trade in fentanyl, you get some idea of what this incident means to people in China.

The First Opium War began what the Chinese call the “century of humiliation,” during which China was exploited and invaded by various foreign powers. It didn’t end until the Japanese were driven out at the end of World War Two. This is still an open wound for China, so it is politically impossible for Xi Jinping to give in to Trump’s intimidation even if he wanted to.

And he doesn’t want to. Trump’s efforts to punish China by imposing a 145 percent tariff on Chinese imports was actually the greatest gift he could have given Xi. First, China is far better positioned to survive a trade war than is the U.S., for one simple reason: China can solve its biggest problem by throwing money at it. Exporters may lose business, but China can use some of the more than $750 billion it has invested in U.S. Treasurys alone to keep them afloat.

The U.S. can’t do that — we have a supply-chain problem, not a financial problem. Once China stops exporting to the U.S., there is no amount of money we can spend that will fill up our Walmarts. Remember trying to buy medical masks during the pandemic? Multiply that by tens of thousands of products. Many things will be completely unavailable, and what is available will be much more expensive. Not even Trump can repeal the law of supply and demand by executive order.

China also has a long-term interest in making its economy less dependent on exports and decreasing its dependence on Western technology. Trump’s trade war gives Xi the perfect opportunity to pursue these goals, since any resultant pain will now be the fault of rapacious foreigners seeking to humiliate China yet again.

So China is in no hurry to end the current stand-off, a fact that is now making Trump extremely nervous. When pressed, Trump has a habit of saying whatever he thinks will buy him some time and take the pressure off, regardless of whether it is true or not. His constant promises to release some new policy “in the next two weeks” became a running joke during his first term.

He’s doing the same thing now, issuing fantasy statements about how a trade deal with China is imminent. Despite Trump’s claim that Chinese officials have “reached out” to him a number of times and his insistence that active talks are going on “every day,” there are no negotiations going on at all.

Trump is essentially negotiating with himself. He abandoned his 145 percent tariff on Chinese-made electronics within 48 hours, and now, in response to Chinese silence, he’s telling the world that tariffs on China will be much lower. He insists “We’re going to be very nice. They’re going to be very nice, and we’ll see what happens. But ultimately, they have to make a deal because otherwise they’re not going to be able to deal in the United States.”

You can practically smell the fear. If you have to begin a negotiation by insisting that the other side come to the table, you’ve lost already.

Trump has good reason to be afraid, just as the Chinese have good reason to let him stew. While the impact of an effective trade embargo will begin to empty shelves in a matter of weeks, most wholesale Christmas orders are placed with factories by the beginning of June. None of those orders are going to be made if retailers think they might be hit with 145 percent tariffs on Christmas lights and Barbie dolls. “The Trump That Stole Christmas” headlines write themselves.

Of course, Trump is free to abandon U.S. tariffs on China unilaterally, but there is no guarantee that China will reciprocate.

All this means that Trump has dug himself a very deep hole, and the Chinese are not going to help him dig his way out. Before they agree to restore normal trade, they’re going to extract a price. It might be a groveling public apology. It might be a promise to abandon Taiwan — something Trump is probably temperamentally inclined to do anyway — or it might be a formal recognition of China’s “nine-dash line” territorial claims. But whatever it is, it will be big.

And it will be bad for America. Trump’s effort to punish China for “defying” him was an essay in historical ignorance and economic foolishness. He is now getting schooled in real time. And it’s going to be an expensive lesson, both for him and for us.

Chris Truax is an appellate attorney who served as Southern California chair for John McCain’s primary campaign in 2008.

Copyright 2025 Nexstar Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
In a physical war between superpowers it will End up with a nuclear Armageddon.
Because the losing side will unleash it's most potent weapon.
In a trade war like this, it's will be a pivotal moment where the world will be divided in two.
We cannot escape becoming under China's armpits. Unless asean decided to work as one. Like the EU or NATO.
 
Chicons land want more tourists...their economy slowing down? Need foreign moolah?

China extends visa-free entry to a record 74 countries​

two man with baseball caps and lanyards, one in yellow shirt, other in black and blue take selfie in front of a 3 tiered pagoda
Travel companies are bracing for a bigger influx in anticipation of summer holiday goers coming to China. (AP: Andy Wong)

In short​

Citizens from 74 countries including in Latin America and the Middle East will not need a visa to enter China for 30 days.

The government wants to boost tourism numbers to pre-pandemic levels to grow its economy and soft power.

What's next?​

For countries not on the list, a transit policy allows eligible citizens to enter for 10 days if they depart for a different country they arrived from.

Foreign tourists are trickling back to China after the country loosened its visa policy to unprecedented levels.

Citizens from 74 countries can now enter China for up to 30 days without a visa, a big jump from previous regulations.

This list included Australian citizens who since November were exempt from needing a visa for stays of up 30 days, an extension of 15 days since it was first granted in July 2024.

The government has been steadily expanding visa-free entry in a bid to boost tourism, the economy and its soft power.

More than 20 million foreign visitors entered without a visa in 2024 — almost one-third of the total and more than double from the previous year, according to the National Immigration Administration.

Georgi Shavadze is a Georgian living in Austria, who visited the Temple of Heaven in Beijing.

"This really helps people to travel because it is such a hassle to apply for a visa and go through the process,"
he said.
While most tourist sites are still packed with far more domestic tourists than foreigners, travel companies and tour guides are now bracing for a bigger influx in anticipation of summer holiday goers coming to China.

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China's government has extended the visa-free entry to 74 countiries to boost tourism. (AP: Andy Wong)
"I'm practically overwhelmed with tours and struggling to keep up," says Gao Jun, a veteran English-speaking tour guide with more than 20 years of experience.

To meet growing demand, he launched a new business to train anyone interested in becoming an English-speaking tour guide.

"I just can't handle them all on my own," he said.

After lifting tough COVID-19 restrictions, China reopened its borders to tourists in early 2023, but only 13.8 million people visited in that year, less than half the 31.9 million in 2019, the last year before the pandemic.

30 days for many in Europe, Asia, Latin America and Middle East​

In December 2023, China announced visa-free entry for citizens of France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Malaysia, but almost all of Europe has been added since then.

Travellers from five Latin American countries and Uzbekistan became eligible last month, followed by four in the Middle East.

The total will grow to 75 on July 16 with the addition of Azerbaijan.

About two-thirds of the countries have been granted visa-free entry on a one-year trial basis.

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Almost one-third of tourists entered without a visa in 2024, more than double from the previous year, according to the National Immigration Administration. (AP: Andy Wong)
For Norwegian traveller Øystein Sporsheim, this means his family would no longer need to make two round-trip visits to the Chinese embassy in Oslo to apply for a tourist visa, a time-consuming and costly process with two children in tow.

"They don't very often open, so it was much harder," he said.

"The new visa policies are 100 per cent beneficial to us," said Jenny Zhao, a managing director of WildChina, which specialises in boutique and luxury routes for international travellers.

She said business is up 50 per cent compared with before the pandemic.

While the US remains their largest source market, accounting for around 30 per cent of their current business, European travellers now make up 15 to 20 per cent of their clients, a sharp increase from less than 5 per cent before 2019, according to Zhao.

"We're quite optimistic. We hope these benefits will continue,"
Ms Zhao said.
Trip.com Group, a Shanghai-based online travel agency, said the visa-free policy has significantly boosted tourism.

Air, hotel and other bookings on their website for travel to China doubled in the first three months of this year compared with the same period last year, with 75 per cent of the visitors from visa-free regions.

Transit policy an alternative to visa-free entry​

No major African country is eligible for visa-free entry, despite the continent's relatively close ties with China.

North Americans and some others in transit can enter for 10 days

Those from 10 countries not in the visa-free scheme have another option: entering China for up to 10 days if they depart for a different country than the one they came from.

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Those without visa-free entry might be eligible to enter China for 10 days under a transit policy. (AP: Andy Wong)
The policy is limited to 60 ports of entry, according to the country's National Immigration Administration.

The transit policy applies to 55 countries, but most are also on the 30-day visa-free entry list.

It does offer a more restrictive option for citizens of the 10 countries that aren't: the Czech Republic, Lithuania, Sweden, Russia, the United Kingdom, Ukraine, Indonesia, Canada, the US, and Mexico.

Aside from the UK, Sweden is the only other high-income European country that did not make the 30-day list.

Ties with China have frayed since the ruling Chinese Communist Party sentenced a Swedish book seller, Gui Minhai, to prison for 10 years in 2020.

Gui disappeared in 2015 from his seaside home in Thailand but turned up months later in police custody in mainland China.

AP

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