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Untold story of PAP
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Why am I not surprised! No book on PAP is complete without Hock Siew's account. I suppose they did not want to break Simon Tay facade which the authorities have been building very well over 2 decades. Alex Au who is enomored by Simon will have to wait another day for truth to emerge.
ps. any journalist who is shit scared of his wife ( I mean deadly scared and everyone knows it ) surely can write a "no holds barred" book on the PAP.
ps. any journalist who is shit scared of his wife ( I mean deadly scared and everyone knows it ) surely can write a "no holds barred" book on the PAP.
yes...for those wanting a quick read, MPH appears to be carrying copies...do a quick comparison on the spot when MIW comes out next week
Paths not taken: political pluralism in post-war Singapore By Michael Barr, Carl A. Trocki
Paths not taken: political pluralism in post-war Singapore By Michael Barr, Carl A. Trocki
I read this version of the attempted assasination in a magazine that is not available in S'pore. As the mag has not been sued by the Lees, I am guessing there was some truth.
The biggest dissapointment by far was Devan Nair. After being banished to canada, he could and should have laundered every dirty little PAP secret that he was privy too. I have to say he holds much more sensitive info than Ong Eng Guan. He was already in a safe place in canada, untouchable by the PAP, and he should have exacted his revenge for the way that he and his wife was treated. He should have published his memoirs before he died, and if Con you didn't like it, he can go to canada and sue him.
Devan was never part of the inner circle and never had access to state matters. He was asked to look after the unions. He never stepped into government and unlikely to have anything solid.
During his time in Canada, he made so many allegations but these were more adjectives and labels with nothing substantive. Old man tried to sue him in Canada but it was thrown out.
For some reason he kept sensitive union matters to himself probably he was close to Ho See Beng, father of the present MP Ho Geok Choo. Till the very end, See Beng was close to him visiting Devan overseas often.
During his time in Canada, he made so many allegations but these were more adjectives and labels with nothing substantive. Old man tried to sue him in Canada but it was thrown out.
For some reason he kept sensitive union matters to himself probably he was close to Ho See Beng, father of the present MP Ho Geok Choo. Till the very end, See Beng was close to him visiting Devan overseas often.
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Which one?
http://www.qlrs.com/critique.asp?id=190
The Inconsistent Story of Mr Richard Lim
Life! editor nonetheless remains engaging
By Cyril Wong
Got Singapore
Richard Lim
Angsana Books (2002) / 272 pages / $10.30
Life! and Sunday Plus editor Richard Lim’s collection of essays and articles gathered from his columns in these Straits Times sections is an inconsistent read.
Brimming with literary references, which sometimes serve only to draw attention to the fact that the author is well read, the essays often get bogged down by the weight of so many allusions. They may only serve as educational bits of information for readers who have not read as much as Lim. Such allusions, however, are more than appropriate for the essays in the section, “A Life in Books,” which deal with such famous writers as Conrad and Hesse. The reverential pieces on V. S. Naipaul and the New York Times book reviewer Anatole Broyard are almost powerful as they explore how life may gain significance and meaningfulness via literature.
Interestingly, a Freudian or psychoanalytical perspective of some of the essays in this book might reveal a libidinous propensity to dwell on issues of carnal desires and female sexuality. “Going to the mountains”, which deal with the dangers of living in movies and books and the author’s ongoing search for inner peace, ends with the image of Dai women entering a lake, “(g)loriously naked”, in a kind of cleaning ritual. The author dwells on their innocence, on their peaceful enjoyment of the moment of cleaning, then writes about the desire to go naked too and enter the water with them. In “A touch of Zen – or a woman’s hand”, the author reveals that one of his key reasons for seeking enlightenment is to escape carnal desires. In “Tomako, Noriko, Mariko”, he dwells on the character of Tomako and the unforgettable image of her running towards him, while elsewhere in the essay, he is drawn to Noriko’s legs, as well as her “forthrightness”.
The last section of the book, “National Life”, is the least convincing of all, although interesting for its socio-cultural allusions and commentary. With such high regard for the local government and its iconic ex-leader, Lee Kuan Yew, the essays often suffer from flawed logic and poor argument. In “The consistent story of Mr Lee Kuan Yew” for example, Lim defends Lee when the latter is depicted as paranoid and narcissistic by an Australian writer, but he does so by claiming that Lee would not have been able to turn Singapore into a world-class city state if he had such negative attributes. But why should it be impossible to believe that something may be done out of bad, as well as good intentions? Lim seems, in this case, overly earnest in promoting the ex-Prime Minister in a simply positive light, while preferring to avoid the negative aspects altogether.
The Inconsistent Story of Mr Richard Lim
Life! editor nonetheless remains engaging
By Cyril Wong
Got Singapore
Richard Lim
Angsana Books (2002) / 272 pages / $10.30
Life! and Sunday Plus editor Richard Lim’s collection of essays and articles gathered from his columns in these Straits Times sections is an inconsistent read.
Brimming with literary references, which sometimes serve only to draw attention to the fact that the author is well read, the essays often get bogged down by the weight of so many allusions. They may only serve as educational bits of information for readers who have not read as much as Lim. Such allusions, however, are more than appropriate for the essays in the section, “A Life in Books,” which deal with such famous writers as Conrad and Hesse. The reverential pieces on V. S. Naipaul and the New York Times book reviewer Anatole Broyard are almost powerful as they explore how life may gain significance and meaningfulness via literature.
Interestingly, a Freudian or psychoanalytical perspective of some of the essays in this book might reveal a libidinous propensity to dwell on issues of carnal desires and female sexuality. “Going to the mountains”, which deal with the dangers of living in movies and books and the author’s ongoing search for inner peace, ends with the image of Dai women entering a lake, “(g)loriously naked”, in a kind of cleaning ritual. The author dwells on their innocence, on their peaceful enjoyment of the moment of cleaning, then writes about the desire to go naked too and enter the water with them. In “A touch of Zen – or a woman’s hand”, the author reveals that one of his key reasons for seeking enlightenment is to escape carnal desires. In “Tomako, Noriko, Mariko”, he dwells on the character of Tomako and the unforgettable image of her running towards him, while elsewhere in the essay, he is drawn to Noriko’s legs, as well as her “forthrightness”.
The last section of the book, “National Life”, is the least convincing of all, although interesting for its socio-cultural allusions and commentary. With such high regard for the local government and its iconic ex-leader, Lee Kuan Yew, the essays often suffer from flawed logic and poor argument. In “The consistent story of Mr Lee Kuan Yew” for example, Lim defends Lee when the latter is depicted as paranoid and narcissistic by an Australian writer, but he does so by claiming that Lee would not have been able to turn Singapore into a world-class city state if he had such negative attributes. But why should it be impossible to believe that something may be done out of bad, as well as good intentions? Lim seems, in this case, overly earnest in promoting the ex-Prime Minister in a simply positive light, while preferring to avoid the negative aspects altogether.
Dear Scroobal
History as always is selective especially self reflective pieces on the PAP written by Pro PAP people. But as more is written and more question are asked, and left unanswered , then very much like Chin Peng's autobiograhpy, we can see the gaps which later generations will fill in. Firstly the writers could not touch the oral histories at the National Archives embargoed by the witnesses to historyI believe till after LKY dies. These will add in another set of memories which as indicated will conflict with LKY's account of first amongst equals. Heck even the accounts of him being appointed PM are fraught with conflict with his own old guard. OK so here are the possible gaps in Men in White to be filled in later and probably more sensitive due to the need of the PAP to remain in public eyes as monolithic.
1. Internal Party Rivals and Feuds. That with the communists and their left wing supporters is well documented. Less well documented are people who were not with the communist,who were left leaning chinese educated and who were either rivals to LKY for political power within the party or sough some party check on his power. That part is still quite murky. The portrayal in the book was that LKY's rise to PM was inevitable due to superior .... and..........I suspect that it was in fact less than inevitable and there was loads of scheming in play.
Cheers
Locke
please feel free to add the blanks
History as always is selective especially self reflective pieces on the PAP written by Pro PAP people. But as more is written and more question are asked, and left unanswered , then very much like Chin Peng's autobiograhpy, we can see the gaps which later generations will fill in. Firstly the writers could not touch the oral histories at the National Archives embargoed by the witnesses to historyI believe till after LKY dies. These will add in another set of memories which as indicated will conflict with LKY's account of first amongst equals. Heck even the accounts of him being appointed PM are fraught with conflict with his own old guard. OK so here are the possible gaps in Men in White to be filled in later and probably more sensitive due to the need of the PAP to remain in public eyes as monolithic.
1. Internal Party Rivals and Feuds. That with the communists and their left wing supporters is well documented. Less well documented are people who were not with the communist,who were left leaning chinese educated and who were either rivals to LKY for political power within the party or sough some party check on his power. That part is still quite murky. The portrayal in the book was that LKY's rise to PM was inevitable due to superior .... and..........I suspect that it was in fact less than inevitable and there was loads of scheming in play.
Cheers
Locke
please feel free to add the blanks
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Lim Hock Siew has been ready to tell his story and in fact is supposed to be writing a book. He was not approached. Lim Hock Siew, Beatice and Poh are personal friends of Arthur Lim. Everytime any of them were released, it was Arthur that will host a reunion. Arthur by the way is a personal and childhood friend of old man and helped organised his 75th Birthday shindig at the Shang.
The title is misleading, the article leading to the launch is misleading and these charcters as well as Yip should have been more honest to their trade and say that it is a version of the PAP in their eyes.
As one pundit said and I think he was very accurate - all those who were central in the left wing and the communist were actually brought back over time and these include Eu, Sharma etc. Yip gave work in SPH to both of Eu's daughters. They are not going to talk as their kids are building a new life in Singapore.
The ones who are not in the know are in the Peace Village in Southern Thailand having no idea who screwed them and worse still, having no idea that they were indeed screwed.
Only Chin Peng and Plen remained outside Malaysia and Singapore and both their sons are doing very well in Malaysia and Singapore - Plen's son is an engineer in GLC and Chin Peng's son is a successful lawyer in KL.
If you are keen to unearth a little bit of the background at the appropriate time, go to the embargoed oral records of Tay ( Simon's dad) and Lee Khoon Choy. As a side issue, it will also help explain why the Singapore teachers are the highest paid in the world and how they and the PAP breached the IM. How they ended having their landed housing estate while the early Admin Service ended up in Laguna.
Many people to this day are not aware that the PAP was made of the communist and the non-communist. I still get surprised looks when communist and PAP are mentioned in the same breath. Even more surprised when I tell that it was Malay that brought the 2 together. So no "Untold Story of the PAP" can leave this characters out.
The title is misleading, the article leading to the launch is misleading and these charcters as well as Yip should have been more honest to their trade and say that it is a version of the PAP in their eyes.
As one pundit said and I think he was very accurate - all those who were central in the left wing and the communist were actually brought back over time and these include Eu, Sharma etc. Yip gave work in SPH to both of Eu's daughters. They are not going to talk as their kids are building a new life in Singapore.
The ones who are not in the know are in the Peace Village in Southern Thailand having no idea who screwed them and worse still, having no idea that they were indeed screwed.
Only Chin Peng and Plen remained outside Malaysia and Singapore and both their sons are doing very well in Malaysia and Singapore - Plen's son is an engineer in GLC and Chin Peng's son is a successful lawyer in KL.
If you are keen to unearth a little bit of the background at the appropriate time, go to the embargoed oral records of Tay ( Simon's dad) and Lee Khoon Choy. As a side issue, it will also help explain why the Singapore teachers are the highest paid in the world and how they and the PAP breached the IM. How they ended having their landed housing estate while the early Admin Service ended up in Laguna.
Many people to this day are not aware that the PAP was made of the communist and the non-communist. I still get surprised looks when communist and PAP are mentioned in the same breath. Even more surprised when I tell that it was Malay that brought the 2 together. So no "Untold Story of the PAP" can leave this characters out.
Why do we bother so much with what happened in the past? Does it matter whether there was a vote or not? Does it matter who said what? The fact is that he became the pm and ruled for many years. and still going strong.
If we feel that there needs to be changes, let's galvanise others and make the changes at the next polls. What's the point in constantly regurgitating about the past?
If we feel that there needs to be changes, let's galvanise others and make the changes at the next polls. What's the point in constantly regurgitating about the past?
We ignore history at our own peril. Politics is still politics since the dawn of mankind.
yes good insight bro...i suspect (and certainly hope) that there are diaries/historical records which provide a different perspective to harry's /SPH's HIStory and fill the gaps which are possibly being held back until harry & the rest of the old guards (toh, goh, ong etc) finally pass on...
What is the point of waiting for the old guard to die off?
If anything is said then, it will only be a case one word against another, much like what it is today. The truth then becomes muddled as hearsay and he say and she said etc etc etc.
Everything has to be said in the open so that everyone can have their say for all to hear and judge for themselves.
If anything is said then, it will only be a case one word against another, much like what it is today. The truth then becomes muddled as hearsay and he say and she said etc etc etc.
Everything has to be said in the open so that everyone can have their say for all to hear and judge for themselves.
Everything has to be said in the open so that everyone can have their say for all to hear and judge for themselves.
well i hope lim hock siew quickly finishes putting pen to paper because i gather he is now on dialysis and suffering from renal failure...
yes...would also like to hear from say Lim Hong Bee,Toots Lim Kean Chye, Eber, Puthucheary(both bros), Eu, Sharma, Linda Chen, Samad etc...most if not all are probably dead by now but hopefully their families are holding on to some 'gold dust' to be eventually shared for posterity's sake...
er what is "IM"?
yes...would also like to hear from say Lim Hong Bee,Toots Lim Kean Chye, Eber, Puthucheary(both bros), Eu, Sharma, Linda Chen, Samad etc...most if not all are probably dead by now but hopefully their families are holding on to some 'gold dust' to be eventually shared for posterity's sake...
er what is "IM"?
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